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number41 2011-08-15 23:41

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 
Ok, so... Assume someone Does publish Fremantle's full source, along with all the drivers and maybe even documentation, to sweeten the deal.

How long would you give this device? And how would this affect the community?

www.rzr.online.fr 2011-08-15 23:43

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 
hold your breath guys, CPU vendors are about to sell cheap phone platform too (x86), I am sure they will be small companis who will integrate them to provide custom devices and sell a device with the OS your choice (ie debian, mer) ... look at SHR they did not stopped when openmoko closed , I still believe there will be small series pockatable linux devices soon ... maybe we'll have to focus on functional priorities (*) and not marketting now , and see how many are we and much time / money are we willing to spend ... the question is not the death of maemo but the future of a stronger free mobile community,


what I fear is fragmentation of this community ... why not create a survey on where to move ? meego, fso, limo ?

Or this future proof OS for smartphones : http://identi.ca/tag/amigawillneverdie ? (</joke>)


(*) http://pics.nase-bohren.de/OSes_then_now.jpg

SD69 2011-08-16 00:12

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 
I appreciate the responses but I am sad to see this thread. Not because it argues to wind down maemo.org. But because of what it doesn't say and because it seems aimed to head off a community vote on its future.

For some time now, we have been discussing the future of maemo.org. I have participated in many of the discussions and have indicated that I will personally support the continuation of maemo.org as a community governed open source community for maemo-based and derived software. I saw the role of Council as facilitating community consideration and framing the debate; not deciding the future. Most recently, it appeared that would involve a referendum vote during the next election, which I even took the time earlier today to explain to a community member why the vote should include the "winding down" option even though I disagree with it.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=512

I had asked a week ago for help from Council members to do this. A community vote, it seems, is objectionable to Qole. This thread was started, which does not even attempt to explain its context. Here is the response from him just now when asked about a community vote:

"What exactly do you expect to gain from a vote?

I doubt you'll get the full council behind your idea of creating an independent maemo.org, especially with the end date still so far away, so you won't be able go to Nokia and say, "We, the council, are in agreement to ask you to give us control of maemo.org" and if you want to have a vote so you can say, "The majority of the community wants Nokia to give us control of maemo.org" that still will have no more influence than if you were to go to Quim or Peter with a well-thought-out plan and say, "there are a few of us in the Maemo community who would like to try to run maemo.org after Nokia stops funding the maemo.org infrastructure, and here's how we plan to do it."

[By the way, the indication of the issue - "give us control of maemo.org" is wrong.]


Let the community decide its future. And do it in a way that is fair. Let's have a vote.

Texrat 2011-08-16 00:17

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I sure hope this doesn't turn into sniping.

I think a vote is premature and would rather shake out some more discussion to at least assess the clear options. Too many polls are formed half-assed and end up omitting key options. I don't see anything wrong at all with qole starting public discourse first.

But let's please leave personalities out of it and focus on facts.

mikecomputing 2011-08-16 00:20

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this is bad the community is sad/angry (for good reasons) but this make me wonder if people will even buy n9 :( :/

make me wonder if I am stupid enought to buy it but what the hell is there alternatives :mad:

this is so damn frustrating. And btw. dont expect anyone else take over meego on handset its not that simple. ARM comanys is fokus on Android and WP7 except maybe TI. but without Nokia Meego handset is dead.

And Intel is no way near competing on handset market yet...

Crashdamage 2011-08-16 00:22

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I reluctantly went back to Android for daily use long ago, but still find hanging out here like no place else. Still whip out the N900 now and then to try new stuff.

But as with all tech devices these days things are moving really fast and the N900 is already getting relatively obsolete. Maemo/MeeGo has nowhere to go device-wise. But I'm being redundant here...stating the obvious and already said.

Point is, this is a great online community supporting unique devices. It will be a sad day when mamo.org goes dark.

Anyway, the only chance I see of MeeGo continuing to carry the mobile Linux torch is for Intel to outbid Microsoft for Nokia and getting serious about making MeeGo hardware. Poor odds on that.

Texrat 2011-08-16 00:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1070821)
this is bad the community is sad/angry (for good reasons) but this make me wonder if people will even buy n9 :( :/...

Thanks Mike, you raise a good point: IF this site vanished today (bear with me on the hypothetical), what would the home for the N9 be? If the N9 is still viable past the Nokia support shut-off date for this site, where would an N9 community land? It won't be meego.com, by the way.

mikecomputing 2011-08-16 00:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by number41 (Post 1070807)
Ok, so... Assume someone Does publish Fremantle's full source, along with all the drivers and maybe even documentation, to sweeten the deal.

How long would you give this device? And how would this affect the community?

not much just take a look at n900 CE who is the most open platform so far still to few is actually active in that community even if that is the best solution to make sure n900 lives longer :(

geneven 2011-08-16 00:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 1070804)
geneven, I honestly don't understand your point. I would love to go back to the "freewheeling ITT base" of these forums that I loved so much, but the ITT engine is out of steam; the Nokia products that spawned these forums are fading into history. :(

ITT didn't run out of steam; it was steamshovelled into a ditch. As far as I know, there isn't a non-specialized site for tablet fans By default, the closest to that kind of site is mobileread.com, but its focus is book readers and its idea of controversy is something like Top Ten Reads of 2011.

Nokia is basically hijacking the platform out from under us. If we put out the welcome mat for all tablet lovers of all kinds, especially interested in openness and quality and innovation, but not essentially fanboys for anyone, I think we could build a new force for the kind of freewheeling, open computing that is at our roots beyond Nokia or any specific manufacturer.

xxxxts 2011-08-16 00:38

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Life will find a way.


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