Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Damm you man you got no spirit :p time to rally the lads and to hell with Nokia, who needs them !.

Let's face it they have dumped us anyhow so what do you want to do ? lie down and die ? naaaa you do not want to do that so gather arms and start the good fight for this community ! ;).

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Then you are willing yourself to do the porting of all current software to those services, and implement the autobuilder alternative to maintain the repos, I guess.
Or are you suggesting that we should dump all of our current codebase down the drain?
If Nokia pulls the plug, as it will probably happen sooner or later, what we have to do is to secure the transfer of those resources in Nokia managed servers to our own, and secure some fundings to keep those servers alive.
It doesn't make any sense this talk about dumping our current base resources unless we are forced to, either by being impossible to get them from Nokia, or by a complete lack of resources to maintain them.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

I didn't ask the question, I answered it.

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I'm right behind you, as soon as you have done even a single practical thing or some actual work in support of your plan.

Note: Making another post on the Interweb forums doesn't count.

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Eh? Garage is nothing to do with current software -- it is a place to host shared projects. If there were any active projects in garage their owners could move them to some other service, of which there are plenty. Non-active projects would be archived with all their code available to anyone to download (as today) but with all the garage services terminated.

And the autobuilder is nothing to do with the repositories except that it is the only way, currently, to put packages into them. The repositories would be opened up so that the small number of developers who wanted to put software in them could do so directly, or via a volunteer who handles the occasional submission. Of course submissions would have to include both source and binary packages.

I am not proposing doing any of this now. My point is just that it is very likely that by the time Nokia pull funding, there will only be a small community of users and developers left, who can manage very well with just forums and a repository. That is a lot more than we had in the early days of the 770 community! There is no particular need to try to plan for keeping the current (expensive) infrastructure going indefinitely, as the community shrinks.

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Garage is more than the hosted code. It is the hosted code, the documentation, the bugs and the posts, at the very least all of it whould have to be mirrored in its current form to allow search engines to work. We can lose the services and go elsewere, but not the site.
IMHO you are wrong here. The autobuider is the right way to go, just look at any distro out there. It provides a normalized and repeatable environment to build the packages, a way to make sure all build dependencies are right and available for everyone, and helps in keeping the quality of the source packages high.
And I see no reason to lose that much, if we can keep it. It is not that expensive (vm hosting is cheap today, isn't it?)
So we agree in how premature is to discuss pruning our infrastructure now.
In due time, we can assess how much each thing costs, what resources we have, and what we can keep or not.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Pulling the plug from our side does not make sense at the moment, but planning and discussing plans has.

I really hope Nokia will keep its word, and continue the funding until the end of 2012.

Some will say that end is coming. But if there are enough interested parties here, we might have maemo reborn.

It does not have to be dead-end.

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As far as I would say, it does make sense. Less dependence on Nokia, the potential to be better might be on our side.

Sites like XDA are not connected to anybody. More activity, more hacking, more fun seems to happen there.

Here? Stagnation is the norm. I know the guys in the committee are doing tons behind closed doors, but they still have to basically kowtow to an unwilling master at the end.

Face it. We're the community that the post-Elop Nokia does not want to support. The majority of the folks around here **** on WP7 daily - most without ever trying it. Would you fund a group of folks that say your platform of choice is ****?

I wouldn't.

Imagine if we were not dependent on Nokia. We need to find another option that kills that need. Get the files that we need to support the OS away from Nokia. Step away from Nokia, love some form of independence.

Not likely gonna happen, but one can dream.

Doubtful. Zaurus died the same way. BeOS died the same way. Hell, I can name a few more if asked.

No, it doesn't. But it sure as hell feels like it.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

why doesn't NOKIA want to release maemo.org or the closed bits?

• they want maemo dead and buried by 31st of Dec 2012 18:25 (whatever timezone). the messages from the management and the marketing may hint @ this, indeed...
• the reason why the N9 count down stopped... on 1st of Jan 2013, a new maemo.org will be reborn from its (our?) ashes, flashing start for the N9, with videos, software's and all. late for the party, but who knows what NOKIA's fortune will be by then... they might be glad to fall back even on that :D
• business as usual?
  NOKIA has no plan so far to stop funding maemo.org, thus
  • they won't release the site
  • nor the closed bits

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

There is at least one response from a Nokia engineer claiming that the power subsystem is not opened because they are embarrassed about the level of spaghetti code.

Also, i think Nokia lawyers and leadership got a bit wary after the claims of exploding batteries and such.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Qt is open I dont think Nokia will ever try to close it again. Actually it has been more opensourced recenly.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Nokia never tried to close Qt, doing so would be futile due to the agreement established before they ever bought Trolltech. It has been opened even more though, which is always good.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

looks like youre the one who willing to pay the bill for the servers etc...

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Yes, that is the present situation, are you sure about the future?

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

http://www.kde.org/community/whatisk...foundation.php

And even then, they can't un-GPL what was GPL'd already.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Everyone should watch the last episode of Linux Action Show http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/1...ux-las-s18e03/

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

The site itself isn't needed if appropriate services to migrate to are found and there is a clear timetable and assistance to projects.

Bug tracking's been deprecated for ages, and hardly anyone uses Garage's news or forum features.

The biggest gap to my mind are the mailing lists. Migration of svn (including exposing the repo databases) or git are straightforward; as are bugs (where used). Is groups.google.com the best alternative for arbitrary mailing lists? If someone found, and documented, and assisted, we could start migrating off Garage sooner rather than later.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

freelists.org is also pretty good IMO

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

To whom this may concern, I've set up N8x0 Doomsday repositories topic.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

By reading some posts it looks like some people are still in denial of the fact that maemo is dead. Yeah I know that harmattan technically is maemo6 but it's called meego in marketing so better stick to that. The question is not if we should move to meego but when and where. There is not much said yet about formeego.org, who will sponsor it and whatnot but i still think that tmo should move there. Project hosting is not really necessary anymore as there are plenty of other nice places for that.

Edit: Anybody knows what's up with the meego.org domain? It looks really lame now. If it's just a hijacker couldn't LF sue them or something and take back the domain and give it to the maemo.org community?

Edit2: Some progress on http://apps.formeego.org/ it seems. :D

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Unless somebody with the money and the skills comes up with it

Let's enjoy Maemo until it lasts!!!!

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

There has been numerous offers on here for this lot to shift too and i still say Reggie should start up a membership fee.

If you got to pay to get on a site then the first thing you will do is treat it with respect and give as much as you take, think about it ;).

And the title of this thread should be changed to something like... The End Will Come Only If We Allow It !.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

You start up a membership fee, the expectations will rise even higher than they currently are set for a free membership site.

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No i do not agree, having money around means some can be paid for the organisation put into a FOSS driven community such as testing and community layout among a few that would make a big difference.

Money makes the world go round and also creates respect, something this community lacks sometimes.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

And that is exactly what needs to happen !, higher expectations mean a higher level of input.

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I don't think you get FOSS, dude.

Wow, I think you also don't get respect.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Erm. Not how a meritocracy like FOSS works.

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The Foss community obviously works for free in the development area BUT how the community is put together and works is what takes the time.

You obviously do not understand what i am going on about here.

Look at this community and look at the arguments that go on, is all too far from the professional way it should be as developers should have the respect they deserve.

Members should be somewhat vetted and made to sign an agreement NOT to do anything but develop and help development in every way without argument.

Maybe an impossible situation to make happen in this world ?.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Show me one place this works.

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Don't work on communities that are free to join because any twit can join it just to create arguments among members.

Stricter rules are needed for sure as well as a membership fee.

My last comment that you omitted "Maybe an impossible situation to make happen in this world ?. ".

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

It is the way of the world ysss so me might as well be a slave to something we enjoy ;).

To create organisation that has a purpose with rules applied, thus successful in its aims is not a bad idea ?.

What was the end result of the current forum as in Maemo.org if it is not being faced with closure and all because of wasted talent not directed where it should have gone due to lack of rules and proper guidence and testing etc etc, allbeit Nokia did not help.

Take what has already been achieved and use it to the best advantage for the future of FOSS ;).

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

The problem with your line of thought is that you're applying (faux) solutions to a non existent problem.

We are 'here' not because lack of funding nor due to rowdy forum exchanges.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

How can you say there is no problems when this community is even suggesting closure and the current state of Maemo for what ever reasons?.

Being "here" is not achieving what should be happening simply because the organisation behind it is not able to move forward, all because it relied upon a company for it's resources that has moved away from the total purpose of this community.

And FOSS can not be associated with Maemo because of its incomplete "openess", so you got to start at the beggining and that means rules and regulations to move forward in a way that is productive, can do that on here as it is ? i dont think so somehow.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

Irony......

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This is a perfect example of non productivity on a forum that should be productive.

The bull bolted long time ago on here long before i ever became a member i might add ! and if my memory serves me right you got a ban for your behaviour on here yes !.

Pot calling the kettle black ;)

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

i tell you what i just did, i just bought four 16GB HP touchpad's from amazon for £89 apiece.

and i have to tell you guys, much as i love the N9 and sincerely want to own one i refuse to be ripped off by paying £520 for one sim-free because there are no subsidised contracts to be had, especially when there exists the potential of picking up a Pre3 for 80 euros sim-free as people in Germany have been doing.

after all, it's not as if i am unfamiliar with supporting dead platforms, now is it!

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

One of the biggest problems on here is everyone has idea's and they rant on about them all day long and guess what..... NOTHING changes on here nothing moves in a forward direction.

Seems they all wait for Nokia to pull the plug then they close it all down, such good idea's and they are neither taken up nor moved on in any way or form.

In the meantime people move on away from Maemo.org like the above post, THAT is irony !.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

You misunderstood my point (and many others).

Is the 'end of maemo' due to:

1. Lack of funding by/for this community?
2. Some rowdy crowd in this community?

The answer is no to both questions.

I think you're also trapped in some sort of 'hero syndrome' where you're taking stances and acting out scenes from heroic movies (?) to gather the support of community toward your imaginary utopia where everything will bend toward your will somehow.

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Just to clarify I have never been banned for my behaviour.

Have you considered applying for a marketing job at Microsoft?

Your ability to spread FUD is impressive.

;)

Personally, I think this community is doing just fine. As far as I can tell "The End" is not coming. This is one of the reasons I bought the N900 - when corporations f*** up and render a product prematurely obsolete "the community" usually pick things up and run with it.

FOSS is alive and well - my n900 depends on it and many contributers are doing an outstanding job.

My only worry is what will happen to all the repositories in the long term. Ideally members (who are able to) will start mirroring the repositories across the internet.

Re: The End is Coming: What do we do next?
 

i haven't jumped yet.

for some reason i'm still holding on hoping that a UK carrier will pick it up on a subsidised contract.

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/20...-the-carriers/

but if the HP firesale spreads to the Pre3, and i can get one for £80, the matter may be decided then and there.

this is what frustrates me, the N9 may lose from shear lack of involvement in the conversation, where is it!