WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

It is or should be VERY clear now that Maemo and Meego are dead and what with the news that Nokia are going to pull funding from this community then they should be re-approached for funding as a community who will support Elop and the new Nokia.

Got to move with it not against it.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

abill... no disrespect meant by this, but you seriously shouldn't stir up the hornets nest as such.

If you feel that strongly about things, just pull back and watch things unfold. On closing day, post one thing... "I was right."

And take comfort that's probably going to be the last thing people see and embrace whatever you've chosen to embrace.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Yes BUT i do not want to see or watch this community close, i want it to move with the times because we will NEVER get another community like this one.

People will just have to learn to move with the times instead of tryng to stay with the crazy notions and idea's behind FOSS because it just is not working.

Nokia will survive and i think this will be more apparent as the days and weeks unfold so why not have a Nokia community as always ?.

Don't have to be on crack to realise something needs changing for it to be successful.

Can we have some positive thinking now instead of all the negativity if that is possible.

Once the naysayers have had there say then some positive thinking people might just start to post.

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That will be a very different crowd/community and will have a different infrastructure.

If that ever happens at all, it should be Nokia or Microsoft's doing.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

This community has never been owned by Nokia, it was funded by Nokia and i very much doubt neither Nokia or Microsoft will start up a community.

To get back the funding from Nokia then all that has to happen is a reproach on the understanding of WP and this community stays alive.

How it is structured is not in question right now, what is in question is keeping this community alive.

There is no development taking place for Maemo and Meego as far as Nokia is concerned and that means Maemo and Meego are dead.

The future of Nokia IS WP and that is the way this community should go if it wants to stay alive.

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@Abill: C'mon man, if you want people here to take you seriously then you have to show that you get FOSS, because AFAIK that's the core audience here.

Otherwise you can preach to the super-niche to the exclusively-commercial developers here and to the 'pure' non-FOSS-sympathizing users, which I'm guessing have very2 low count and/or non vocal in ongoing discussions.

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The only thing to get about FOSS is that it's not the way to make OS'es for a commercial world. Bits and pieces - yes, but not streamlined stuff needed for success.

Besides, it is also largely irrelevant. It is the ecosystem that has to be open (not as in FOSS-open, but as in open-market open), and only Microsoft provides that.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Is FOSS going in the direction of Nokia? what would be the link between FOSS Nokia and this community?.

How the community is actually structured can not be the question right now, what is the question is the funding under Nokia and the direction Nokia would like this community to go and i can not answer those questions for obvious reasons that i do not know.

Something has happened with Nokia that nobody can ignore and that it has teamed up with Microsoft and is now manufacturing WP devices, Maemo and Meego have been dropped and i do not see any devices coming from any manufacturer for a community that is about to close.

You might not like this but FOSS might never have a place again on this community IF it is to stay with Nokia unless some kind of integration can take place.

Looking at the advancement efforts for Maemo and Meego it is not enough and a reason to keep this community alive, the reason it is facing closure.

I am a realist and whilst i like to dream, it is not always possible in this world to have your dreams come true.

Look at what has happened here, Maemo has been dropped along with Meego, Nokia are now WP, this is reality and fact not dreams and someone needs to move forward in some way or form, how to shape the future of this community, the first thing must be to stay alive and then comes the structure questions later.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

dont know whom to curse,
1. abill for not understanding this community,
2. or the moderators who are destroying the community by not banning abill

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

You are completely blinkered and only want to see everything your way.

I will tell you something ok that you might just undertand... you AND tekki.

The day stskeeps left this community he sent a BIG message, that message was he could not work with Maemo any more and went down the Meego path, because of that it split this community in half and the main reason dev's left one after the other.

What should have happened was Maemo and Meego join together in development for it to make sure of steady progress and that never happened.

Now we have a fight going on here between Maemo amd Meego as they are and have been seperated because stskeeps was given the enitirety of Maemo to further progress on Meego and he stated that he could no longer do any work on Maemo (apparently Nokia conditions for release of Maemo to him).

Meego has not made the advancement for whatever reasons it should have done and this is also linked with manufacturers i might add, IF Meego had made recognisable ground then someone in the industry would have picked up on this and ventured forward as a device manufacturer, once again never happened.

What did happen is Nokia joined with Microsoft making WP devices, if you want to carry on with Maemo or Meego on this community then as it is already stated it is facing closure then you will go down with it and end up with no community.

The answers are NOT in Maemo or Meego and you need to see that, or come up with a plan to intergrate Meego with WP?, not going to happen either.

Please post sensibly or rather you dont post at all in my view ok.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Even I can grasp the irony in this statement.

If you want positivity, then starting threads like this shouldn't even have happened.

Simply put... pull back man.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

This is my irony quote of the day :)

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Pull back on a dying community? because that is what's happenng here as you well know.

This thread is just another perspective on things and another debate.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

I'm using a Maemo device, which is the reason I'm coming to talk.maemo.org. I'm sure there are lots of active WP discussions going on in XDA Developers, so why not join them?

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Because this is a Nokia forum allbeit if a dying one.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

And I see thousands of active threads about Symbian announcements and hacks, S40 Touch and Type overclocking et cetera?

Come on, man.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

I presume your talking about this community? and if so just what will happen to all that if it closes?.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

You're talking about the forum, right?

Don't worry, that part is easy.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

The forum is not the problem, should be easy to open up a new one for the N900 on XDA. The only thing i would dare to suggest is the need
to merge with the Debian armel distribution to get updates for most of the
non-Nokia modified software. This together with the progressive substitution of the proprietary binaries will ensure long life to our N900
(if you have resoldered your micro usb port ;-) of course).

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Last time I checked, you didn't NEED a community for closed-source.. probably because IT'S A CLOSED-AUDIENCE of the first-party... kept secluded from the third party of developers, distributors, vendors and customers. I'm pretty sure that any similarities to a community is purely coincidental and unintentional.

Curse Nokia for failing to communicate, failing to listen, failing to care, failing to support, frustrating their own engineers and customers and generally STARTING a great thing well, and killing it through ineptitude and hubris. Their own choices and failings are what eventually led to abill_uk's postings as well as many others. I can't blame them for speaking their mind out, so much as having the ability to say these things and not get drowned out by far more constructive threads.

That's my take, anyway.

No, this is a Maemo forum. Sadly, Nokia is the only hardware manufacturer that made anything that runs Maemo--thanks to their closed-mindedness... But it still was never about Nokia (take, for instance, its original name of InternetTabletTalk.com ...it's a shame we don't go back to that, given there are now a LOOOOOT of tablets out there running LOTS of OS's. What a stupid, crying shame.)

Thank you. THAT!

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Come on, wake up: Maemo Community was an open source community developing software around the now dead Maemo platform.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

http://i.imgur.com/FVCKG.jpg

I wonder what Abill_uk really dreams about in his tiny little mind. I reckon it's 10 kilo's of Cocaine, some Methadone, perhaps a few clean needles and some shoes with no holes in.

And maybe a strong man to take him out to dinner to take his mind away from his Maemo worries.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

InternetTabletTalk on the other hand, was an active community about TABLETS long before it decided to become myopic to Maemo. THAT still would carry far more than an already-failing platform like Windows Phone 7.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

yep. your statement should answer you why so many developers (including me) are moving or have already moved on to other open source projects. You won't see many open source developers or hackers moving to windows or other closed platforms.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

You are grasping it the wrong way abill, maemo nor meego are dead platforms, for there is still development going on at both sides, with members who support it. Meego has not seen the last update, nor maemo5 with the community SSU.

This is a site for all maemo and meego related handsets/internet tablets. I don't see WP having any role here.

If I may get personal here, too: WPx is far more dead to me than Maemo and MeeGo will ever be. Yes I can say that, on a MAEMO forum. No hard feelings :)

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

That was/is the problem as we all know Nokia being the only Maemo device manufacturer but that has all gone now and there is neither development going on or a hardware manufacturer willing to make a Maemo device hence the reason dev's have left now and the community is shutting down on Maemo slow but sure.

The only device left is the N9 and you just can not base a community on that one device, absurd to even suggest.

Meego has gone another route and judging by the response's on this forum it is not doing too good is it so all in all we got a situation on our hands.

The future of Nokia is however resulting in WP development so can this community even be a part of that? or will it be closed source?.

I have a rght to ask same as anyone else but some feel the need to be stupid by posting stupid comments and pictures, for what????.

My point still has not been answered because of stupidity on the thread and that is the future of this community, it DOES involve every member so why not at least be sensible about it instead of trying to be smart asses !.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Abill_uk needs a man to take him out to catch a movie, maybe a nice dinner somewhere after. He needs to let all this rubbish that he dreams about go.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

They are dying because of lack of interest and as you well know Maemo may well be a great interest to you and me but where are the developers?.

This WP could well spell the end of interest from the developers point of view in that there is nothing left to develop Maemo or Meego for so where we go now???.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

umm f__k thaaat

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

The absurd thing is the community was trying to develop into a closed source OS ie Maemo on the N900.

Where is the point in that? it had to come to a sticky end eventually and i am suprised nobody thought of this when they started Maemo.org in the first place.

Maybe many promises were broken from the Nokia stable !.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

I say it goes wide and digs back into its founding principle and goes back to being a FORM FACTOR related site and go back to the InternetTabletTalk.com name and cover a DIVERSITY of brands, closed-source as WELL as open-source and stop *****-footing around like it has been doing ever since it changed its name to the doomed Maemo.org trademarked brand name which Nokia has, I'm sure most people can agree, pissed all over.

I'm not sure I'd still call Maemo closed-source, though. It was open-source BASED... but ultimately, the proper term would be 'open-core software'. Which is, in some ways, worse than closed-source because it's really a trap disguised as openness. Check out that link--there's even a little diddly in there about how community is used and abused by it. Go on. You know you want to. :)

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The absurd thing is that OP should see that there is not even _one_ supporter to his idea after all this talk and that he still doesn't understand how everyone else here thinks, yet he still thinks he's the only one that is correct.

Reminds me of a certain community...

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

please merge this thread with all other duplicate threads...

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Well as crazy as this thread might seem so was the idea of bringing together Maemo.org as it totally relied upon Nokia for its formula to write open based software on a closed OS in partial.

As much as this thread also seems a crazy idea to ysss... the discussion had to be here because of the fact of Nokia's direction now so as crazy as it seems i am not that crazy ;).

I am not here to understand and i do not need "supoort" from this disussion either, merely talk is enough so when you all get down to basics and stop the waffle, something might come out in a sensible manner !. :p

I agree with your comments especially the higlighted one !.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Thanks abill for another garbage thread. We really reeeally needed another one.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Some facts to consider....

If meamo is to even have a new start it has to be for a device that exsists and is supported.

WP could very well need input from this community if it is to be applied to any other device than the intended ones.

Meego has nothing to be written for either because the N9 is the last of the last so not worth the while to involve a whole community for more than a days efforts :p.

The future is being drawn out as we speak and it does NOT include Maemo or Meego so why waste time devoting to them if it has no goals.

Yes you can call me crazy but better to make something good out of a situation instead of bad, gets you nowhere at the end of the day.

THE FUTURE = WP from Nokia.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

Seriously,

I think the only thing that we, as a community, need to do is to ignore bullshat threads like this coming from a gobshite OP.

Absolute Troll. IMO.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

This community should not be the means and media for abill_uk's constant attention whoring.

Perma-ban already.

Re: WP*.org should be the new name for this community.
 

I believe you've achieved your intended "get no understanding" and "get no support" objective.

You're not here to understand or learn from other people ...and you're not looking to change people's mind to understand/support you, despite of the number of posts you've generated.

I think that's the best definition of trolling I've read thus far.