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seems like opensource mobile OS are jinxed

rip meego

cant wait another year or two , going with android/wp7

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No way it will be that soon. They have only just announced a partnership, to get the phone out for Q1 they would have to have devices and software in testing now.

The problem with anything new is that will be "step 1 of 5" all over again...

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Yep... they said the first version of Tizen will be ready by then...

I guess it will be the same situation as with MeeGo 1.0 then.

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Samsung should do something. It is going now to be time, when every big hardware producer should have own operating system. HTC is looking for something. Samsung was talking about creating OS with support of korean government. So propably this is that step, creating TIzen.

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To me this looks like a cursed Midas touch, once again. Good luck to LIMO and Intel engineers.

I guess there are few areas where this project has chances to get to our homes in real life: TV and automotive. Getting TV stuff standardized on Tizen is nice and at least can help creating more market around those devices in next two-three years besides typical use. After all, if real HTML5 goodness will be available in TVsets, who will need to have Wiis and PS3s anymore? :)

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Looks like nothing has changed.
This is Harmattan without Qt support, and the overlay of API's has been changed to support HTML5 directly. So its basically a cloud computing system, not unlike ChromeOS.

I think we can all kiss our dreams goodbye. Besides the N900 (or N9/N950 concepts) we'd need to shift to Android otherwise something like Ubuntu Netbook Remix with support for ARM.

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Maybe it's nice to meet new people, travel around, design new logos and stickers, create cool road maps and announce new partnerships. But when it comes to actual coding or getting products released... well you know, that's kinda boring. And difficult. Off to a next project!

The worst thing really is, that every time they seem to start from scratch. They key to the small success of Maemo was - in my opinion - that it was based on active, stable and well supported Debian.

Besides, HTML5 isn't even standardized yet.

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+1 for you. I'm more and more convinced that everything's got to start over from Debian. This would be great for users and devs, not so great for the corporate always designing and announcing their own walled gardens.

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Or maybe with this name Intel admits that it is just teazin' us again.

Are you tizen yet? ;)

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Well, I guess this is the point where I have to stop hoping I'll be able to keep running a gnu/linux phone. I developed a few apps for Openmoko, for Maemo, and I am in the process of porting code to Meego. I purchased four Openmoko phones, and three N900s. But this is one restart too many for me. I'll nurse my N900s for as long as I can, and then transition to Android.

It's too depressing for words.

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from
http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/it...Mo_to_form.php

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i'd pick opensuse and the opensuse build service personally.

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Oh well.. I will stick with the cssu and my N900 :)

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That is why elop said we won't get any more meego devices. Because we are getting Tizen :)

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I see it a little differently. It seems clear that Nomovok have had some inside knowledge of Tizen in advance and are working with Intel on it. This is why they could announce so quickly. This does not mean that the Tizen platform is particularly open in general.

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It's worse than that. It's the end of gnu/linux phones and handhelds.

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Funny thing to notice: even if Nokia has screwed up big time with this whole Maemo / MeeGo / Harmattan thing, it seems that they are still the only one actually capable of doing (and achieving) something. Open development without any actual results (*cough* Intel *cough*) is totally useless: nice idea but execution worse than Nokia's current...

Intel is totally lost in mobile and apparently have no idea what on earth they're doing, they're just doing something.
And Samsungs achievements on the software front:
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There's one solid base for Tizen :D
If they manage to ditch Qt (or somehow leave it to class B), they're already dead.

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" the likely scenario is that Qt will continue to play a major role in Tizen projects, but it will not be promoted as part of the core primary developer environment."

Not good enough!

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No, it's terrible news. There's absolutely no incentive for anyone to develop for this platform, because popular platforms like Android, iOS and ZunePhone will support HTML apps long before Tizen could possibly build any market share.

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I'm actually cautiously optimistic about this. My original goal way back when I bought a Sharp Zaurus was to be able to write applications for a fairly open mobile platform using libraries which were also usable on other platforms; Qt was about the only option for this at the time. This remained true through the N810 and N900, but things have shifted. I have trouble considering something truly cross-platform unless it also runs on Android and iOS, which Qt doesn't do yet (well, it kinda sorta works on Android).

Also, Qt has moved away from native widget appearance towards QML; there are good reasons for having done so, but what stand out to me are the drawbacks of "no longer looks native on desktops", "have to rewrite the UI for different platforms", and "HTML-like system (markup language, CSS, JavaScript) without actually being able to leverage web development experience and libraries effectively". I'd already pretty much decided to give up on Qt development and focus on something like PhoneGap + Dojo Mobile, which actually can run pretty much anywhere with a little extra work and is a much more useful skill set for my day job as a web application developer.

So now my only problem is finding a source of modern devices with a mostly open software platform which can run modern web apps. Android, iOS, webOS, and Blackberry all flunk the "open" requirement. I love my N900, but I'm going to eventually want a device with new and improved hardware (and the lack of new software kind of hurts). Nokia tarnished the reputation of MeeGo and kept control of Qt in the process of flushing itself down the toilet with the Windows transition, so they're no longer seen as viable options by most people. A new open Linux platform focused on web app technologies, with the ability to also run Qt apps (for Maemo/MeeGo and KDE compatibility) and maybe Android apps (for a huge initial selection of apps) sounds just about perfect. I just hope they can actually pull it off.

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That is some incredibly r3tarded troll logic you're showing here.

I.e., let me rephrase: "I can't buy good steak at the supermarket anymore, so to spite the damned argibusiness I will from now on only eat fermented dog turds and cocaine".

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Actually, once you get used to the taste, fermented dog turds are not that bad. However, I'd stay away from the cocaine...

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That depends.

The most annoying and wrong-headed thing about MeeGo is their promotion of Qt as the preferred (and sometimes 'required') native toolkit.

Linux-with-Qt-required isn't Linux, it's a travesty.

If it's Linux, I want all the toolkits -- Qt, GTK, SDL, ncurses.

Note that I've got nothing to say about Tizen yet. If they allow any toolkit to be installed, like a proper Linux OS, then more power to them for doing everyone a service.

If Tizen is another locked-down, HTML5-only appstore toy, then they can go die in a fire for all I care.

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^

Is it possible to write html5-apps without some platform-specific javascript framework? I know Qt will never be supported on android/iOS but I wonder where the incentive is to support open standards when it comes to web apps.

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**** like this makes me throw my hands up in disgust.

The dream of FOSS for a mobile OS is in ruins now. This just goes to prove that anything on this scale is just not possible on a community level. We are at the whims of the big boys, and they don't care a whit about FOSS.

HTML5? That's a web technology. It isn't something that you write all applications in. For Linux to be strong, it needs a common API. If Qt isn't there, that's shot all to hell.

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Hey, if you want Linux to continue to be a second-class citizen, go ahead and promote multiple frameworks that basically do the same thing.

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i see your point, and i speak as a KDE/Qt fan, but i liked that Meego was heavily focussed on Qt.

that said:

Totally agreed.

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Tizzzzzzzen for galaxy note now!

ole ole ole when?

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Buy a Citizen watch, cover the first two letters and there you go!!! A Tizen watch - sooooooo neat!

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Sounds like a load of horse dung to me. It looks like the N900 will have to live forever......

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Here is the deal: We all know that the N9 is Maemo6/Harmattan. Thank god it is. Let's just call it the successor to the n900 and treat it that way. Our own personal phone, on OUR own dev OS. We can do what we want on it, like n900, and exploit every capability on it. I am fine with that. I could care less about Android, iOS, etc. Yeah, Mango looks nice, but I can pick up that phone as subsidized as I want through cell services.

I am fine with the n9 coming around now, and Intel announcing this crap. I wanted another Maemo phone, and I got it. I will be more than happy with the n9, b/c again, there will be 1-2 more PR's for the N9, and the rest can be community supported again.

Remember, the n900 was supposed to be the 'last' Maemo config, and that was a lie, now the n9 is the 'last' config. Fine, let's go out with a bang, and have some fun as well. Who knows what will come out in 2 years, it is quite a long time in technology. I say screw it, have fun. This Tizen OS will not come to fruition for a LONG while, not Q1 2012.

This also paves the road for HTC to grab up WebOS which should also be interesting. But that is neither here nor there. N9, good stuff.

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Anyone knows what package format Tizen uses? Deb or rpm?

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htm format.

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I hope Titzup moves to the html format, it's more standards compliant

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Haha, yeah what a joke. Just read that tizen means "two asses" in lebanese. :D

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tit+zen = sound of one bosom clapping.

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I also prefer Titzen over Tizen.

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I think they've chosen LOL format.

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Did anybody here note that
1. MS Windows 8 is also a HTML5 thing, just like Tizen?
2. the real problem with iOS is that true open source (GPL'd software) isn't allowed on it?

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If anyone can release a viable mobile device [other than the N900] running one of these Linux-based OS, maybe we'll get to buy one...

...or the project can merge and meander and produce nothing of final value to consumers/developers.

I'm not a fan of iToys, BB, WP7 or what-have-you, but I do grant them one thing: they all exist.