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It's a virtual wake, Dan.

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To be fair to debernadis, he did open by saying: I didn't like him.

You don't have to like someone to have respect for them, and just because you found a story to be gripping, doesn't mean you're necessarily puffering* up the story-teller by saying so.



* N.B. "puffer" is not a verb (it's a poisonous fish)

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I might be the only dense fellow on the net who can't understand the latest xkcd. Care to explain, please?

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The colourful thing in the middle is the Apple hourglass equivalent. I believe it is notorious amongst iUsers, as some of them spend quite a lot of time looking at it, and could therefore be seen as a representation of eternity...

Ever said/thought to yourself: "Man this thing's so slow, it's taking for eeeeeever!"

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The spinning beach ball, it's a wait cursor basically. In this case, it seems as if it is alluding to once it goes away, what got interrupted will resume; for example, Steve Jobs' life.

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Steve - Man who set benchmark for mobile devices and technology.

R.I.P.

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I read somewhere on Internet that

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"any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee"

Nobody is a saint, but I think people here are just trying to say goodbye to a man who simply changed the world with his dreams...personally, I don't see anything wrong with this...

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Mamma told me not to post in anger...but she's not here right now, so...

As one of the above-mentioned "stupid people", for I have bought and owned Apple products - even their phones in the past - I profess a certain satisfaction that such as I annoy you. It seems only fair.

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Not content with being stupid, you also want to make sure we know you're annoying? ;)

Heh, I kid. I don't like Apple products, but if they make you happy, then they make you happy. That in itself is no bad thing.

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[QUOTE=shallimus;1104361...you also want to make sure we know you're annoying? ;)
[/QUOTE]
Hell yeah! :p

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Where's the freaking food spread, then?

Firstly:
Whether or not somebody opens with 'I didn't like him' is irrelevant when I wasn't addressing whether or not he liked him. Q.E.D. I was addressing the PUFF PIECE (notice the use of puff there) that was his posting, following said sentence, and replied with a debatable topical piece which showed an opposing opinion to the grandiose compliments bandied about.

Secondly:
Please, don't try to correct a fluent English speaker--especially one that worked in publishing and writing. I was using the transitive verb's second definition as shown below under "puff''.

Definition of PUFFER:
1: one that puffs
2: puffer fish
Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/puffer

Definition of PUFF:
transitive verb
1a : to emit, propel, blow, or expel by or as if by puffs : waft b : to draw on (as a cigar, cigarette, or pipe) with intermittent exhalations of smoke
2a : to distend with or as if with air or gas : inflate b : to make proud or conceited : elate c (1) : to praise extravagantly and usually with exaggeration <authors puffing their own work> (2) : advertise
Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/puffs


Saying goodbye is fine, but let's not attribute to him a bunch of exaggerations and fabrications. In following with Godwin's law, I must now invoke the following: Would you say the same if people claimed Hitler to be a great visionary and humanitarian because he invented a car, was a vegetarian and loved children? It could be argued that he was--but MAN that would be the grandaddy of PUFFERY and a great blindness to the other things he's done.

I'm just saying that Jobs did some great business and marketing--but he was hardly inventive, creative or a visionary. There were FAR more talented people working for him, that he might have contracted or whom he had ripped off some of those "innovations" from who might have qualified for those descriptions far better than he does. I'll give him credit for getting more people to be interested in those things, though.

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@danramos: You agree with me that he was very charismatic??

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Yes, certainly. I think his church--er, company's following is evidence of that.

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That was an interesting part of his address...

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I mean the ones that jumped rather than assembling any more iPhones or whatever.

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I certainly respect his contributions and obvious gifts, but have issue with some decisions and principles. But overall, there's no denying he made a HUGE impact.

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So did the George Bushes or Ayatollah Khomeini.

He made an impact, but not a positive one. Each and every concept he eventually made his followers accept had negative consequences for most of us, too, as the rest of the industry followed when they saw there was no more resistance in the market.

To say something positive, he could have sold anything to anyone and make them come back for more. He was good at marketing.

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Steve Jobs Was Not God

Source: http://gawker.com/5847338/steve-jobs-was-not-god

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I don't expect to gain much favor by stating this but I don't believe that Jobs should be idolized as some kind of messianic figure. He was an EXCELLENT salesman. He saw an untapped market and went for it. He didn't really create anything - he just made it marketable to the masses. While his contribution was huge to the technological industry - he was more of just a really charismatic salesman. I respect the man, he saw something that not many "suits" saw and he went for it. But to call him a huge leader of innovation, visionary, etc. is a little absurd. The mere fact that whenever you see a lowercase i in front of a word speaks volumes about his skill as a salesman. His concepts weren't new ideas, they were new takes on old ideas dressed up and marketed in a very unique fashion.

http://youtu.be/wdrKWArr3XY - without a doubt his key notes were far more interesting than "Xerox Windows"

I think this silly web page best describes his marketing logic: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

None the less a great loss for the industry, however I just believe to give credit where it is due. When Woz dies no one will blink an eye.

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You can be mean, that don't change my mind, i don't know this guy, and i hate the way he make all these apple things, it's not just capitalism, it's really more...
If you don't understand, well sorry that's not my native language.
That's the second time someone insult me on this forum, i don't know how you live community, but we don't have the same vision...

When i read all that comments on the web, i'd like to know what this people will say when their mother will die...

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Mine left me this summer...
Jobs didn't cry for her, so I won't cry for him...

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LMAO, nothing was more true than

"5,235,538 people who bought an iPhone hadn't heard of the Nokia E70 until now because Nokia's marketing team is too busy tossing salad to get the word out."

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Webster's Dictionary defines <blank> as...
I regret that I'm too busy to get into a grammar war today.

I'm sure that's good advice.

This is fun! :)

My core intention was not to correct you; it was to amuse myself and possibly others. I'm quite certain that you know your way 'round a dictionary; no demonstrations of competence are required here. In a grammar war, there will be no winners.

Besides, I've been reading your posts for a long time now and when they're good, they're good (e.g. your recent post on vi was useful and informative, some time ago I learned about the Right To Repair Bill from one of your posts etc. etc.)

So, err... peace! :)

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I don't think anyone would ever really appreciate what Steve Jobs had done unless you have been using or following Apple products extensively.

Steve knew what consumers will use and will love and he had the passion, under his direction, to create those products. Sure, there are a lot of more talented/skillful folks out there but do they have the same passion? At least I don't, but Steve makes me strive to do better.

Nowadays you don't see many people that can really inspire you. It has been an honor to have been inspired by a Steve Jobs in my lifetime.

Stay hungry.

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Some people are not inspired by making money, at least i'm not and that is what Steve Jobs was good at, making money, selling.
I appreciate people like Jeb Corliss immeasurable times more the people the likes of Steve Jobs, even Bill Gates (with his humanitarian efforts) is a lot higher on the pedestal then Steve Jobs for me.
I wonder if people will be so affected when (god forbid) Steve Wozniak is gone.

For people that don't know who Jeb Corliss is, good music too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-k

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My opinion matches Stallman's: http://stallman.org/archives/2011-ju...8Steve_Jobs%29

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thank you for the link. (stallman, btw, is a true visionary, he changed the world to be a better place.)

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There, corrected that for you.

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thnx steve for creating apple which gave us garageband (ftw)
May steve R.I.P (Rock In Peace)

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RIP. Steve

(((

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It's all good--I was just rockin' the direct reply... also I was right. :) "Puff piece" is a common term and some people don't even fully understand the term they're using (like a lot of common phrases). Also remember to read my stuff keeping in mind that I'm not trying to be hostile--it's just a simple correction and I like to cite things as evidence and that sometimes comes off as pounding away. (Too often someone will dismiss a correction without citation, so it's a habit.)

In a gesture of good will, please accept this offering of popcorn while you read my rambling posts:

http://pleco.org/heh/Disdord_eating_popcorn.png

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A whole bunch of discussions about basically what some people are labeling Jobs as their personal hero; keyword being personal.

You simply cannot argue that. I've labeled Steve Jobs many times prior, as our generations P.T. Barnum, a seriously skilled salesman that could sell and hype anything to the point people would line up and disregard what most would call common sense.

I don't think that's a bad thing. But to continue down a path where you spout out such negativity as I've seen in this thread over a person who just recently died - I find it tasteless.

If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing. If you have nothing but bad to say, that's on you. When you pass away, who knows what people will say about you.

Regardless it speaks volumes as to your ability to be compassionate about the loss of life. I'm sticking with what I've always said about Steve Jobs - salesman, visionary. I state the last one because the man undeniably decided he was going to do things his way. I didn't agree with even half of what he had done, what he said was even less agreeable by my standards.

But he went from the garage, to a startup, to a major business in a lifetime. If I'm only so lucky to do the same in my lifetime via my own rules.

I hope the same happens to you - the success, not the death. That last one is inevitable. The success is due to how well you work what you've been given and create your own path.

My take, my own personal opinions. Carry on...

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You don't come off as hostile. This is the internet, after all, so you'd have to try much harder than that ;)

A commendable trait.

Saucy! ;)

Agreed. The lack of citations marks me out as a rather lazy author. However, I don't see where your cited source defines the transitive verb 'to puffer <object>', so we'll have to agree to disagree about the following part of your post:

Finally:
It would be pretty cold of me not to accept your offering of virtual popcorn. Thanks for the popcorn, and the posts.

:wq! /home/user/off-topic

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The way reports about Steve Jobs' life are now popping up on almost every news site reminds me a bit of Citizen Kane...

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Even though I never bought one, you knew how to sell your phones...
Rest In Peace Steve.

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You mean "'tizen Kane" (a tag somebody made in the Tizen thread here at Talk)

@gerbick - sorry, not meant to be directly aimed at you

He was a brilliant businessman but that's as far as it goes for me. While I can see that, when I read the stories about his younger days (his pocketing a bonus that should've been split with The Woz, his failing to acknowledge he had a daughter for many years of her life), I just really can't respect him.

And I know this talks about their computers (which are not locked down, I know), I just find it funny that a company that once put out this advert would try so hard to make jailbreaking illegal. Apple certainly weren't the first to lock down their phones - Sony Ericsson would make authors of flashing tools and real phone exploring tools (read: full access to the filesystem) play in a cat-and-mouse game of certificates and updated phone revisions - but it was Apple who took the most extreme approach of trying to take away your freedom.

According to Wikipedia, he was a Buddhist. Isn't a core concept of Buddhism karma? Sure I'm being horribly callous now, but I'm sure my words will be offset by the people still crying over him, busting one over him...

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I'm not sure why my name was referenced. Regardless, I've said my opinion. And you've said yours. Let's leave it at that.

Edit: No worries mate. I thought I pissed off somebody. Again.

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