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mivaho 2012-01-09 17:07

Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
https://www.tizen.org/blogs/tsg/2012/early-look-tizen

admiral0 2012-01-09 17:14

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
meego was better. Repeat with me "HTML5 is not a OS API"

erendorn 2012-01-09 17:52

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by admiral0 (Post 1147968)
meego was better. Repeat with me "HTML5 is not a OS API"

I'm still puzzled by the choice of EFL over Qt...

www.rzr.online.fr 2012-01-09 19:55

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
qt was in nokia hands that time ...

rcolistete 2012-01-09 20:21

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mivaho (Post 1147966)

From the source-code :

http://source.tizen.org/git/

we can see that Tizen has glibc, bash, busybox, debianconf/debianutils (.deb packages ?), gcc 4.5, ncurses, openssh, perl, readline5, webkit, X11 Windows, lua 5.1, etc. So, there are 3 languages : C/C++, Perl and Lua. No Python... :mad:
Tizen seems to be a lot simpler than Maemo 4/5 and MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan, but Tizen at least is a real Linux : kernel, X11 and and glibc.

Kangal 2012-01-10 02:52

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
^Don't worry about it, Nokia will find a way to stuff it up and it will never "be Linux"

I still stand behind Qt as being absolutely necessary to power nix on ARM devices, without it things are just too explosive

jalyst 2012-01-10 14:50

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
http://source.tizen.org/git/
http://source.tizen.org/platform_overview.html

pelago 2012-01-10 15:43

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1148167)
^Don't worry about it, Nokia will find a way to stuff it up and it will never "be Linux"

Eh? Tizen is nothing to do with Nokia.

jalyst 2012-01-10 16:01

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
^ And Qt isn't yet ruled-out as playing a significant part last I checked.
There's def. going to be solid backwards compatibility (novomok or something), but it may go beyond that.
So there's no need for the confusion over "EFL only" just yet...

leon.anavi 2012-01-10 20:04

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
I happy about the release of Tizen. In my opinion the world needs an open-source system for mobile devices that can compares with Android and iOS. I hope that Tizen will evolve fast and will offer good quality for end users!

shmerl 2012-01-10 21:49

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
No, world first needs devices with drivers, where you could use such open systems (which already exist actually).

Someone made a nice sequence:

Maemo: DEB, GTK
Meego: RPM, Qt
Tizen: DEB, EFL
....
What's next to be expected? Something like XXX: RPM, Clutter may be?

Someone either likes hopping around for the joy of the change for the sake of change, or someone just doesn't think too much, or doesn't care about any previous effort.

geneven 2012-01-10 22:05

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1148583)
No, world first needs devices with drivers, where you could use such open systems (which already exist actually).

Someone made a nice sequence:

Maemo: DEB, GTK
Meego: RPM, Qt
Tizen: DEB, EFL
....
What's next to be expected? Something like XXX: RPM, Clutter may be?

Someone either likes hopping around for the joy of the change for the sake of change, or someone just doesn't think too much, or doesn't care about any previous effort.

I always remember the comment of a provincial general in the Roman Empire: "Whenever Rome demands action, I announce a reorganization. That way I never have to actually do anything!"

Kangal 2012-01-24 08:40

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1148583)
Someone made a nice sequence:

Maemo: DEB, GTK
Meego: RPM, Qt
Tizen: DEB, EFL
What's next?

Bump!

To be honest, I'm a huge Kubuntu fan but RPM is better than DEB, well at least when it comes to light/mobile systems (not to start a flamewar both are identical but have strengths&weakneses).

And despite my lack of experience with Qt, that would be my first choice GUI since I know how flexible yet powerful it is. And there you have it...my favourite OS would be ....MeeGo!
Damn you murderous traitorous empire.

...now for some good news!
There is a Custom Rom made for Tizen! Much like CyanogenMod 7.1 is to Sense 3.5
It's called SteelRat made by a company called Novomok, and they plan to integrate Qt v5 and QML v2 (the latest ones) into Tizen.

Here's a beta version running on an Acer Iconia Tab 500

Bernard 2012-01-24 09:39

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
Is Tizen using debian packages again? I wonder why they changed that again. In my opinion the package system on MeeGo harmattan is just adequate for "app-store-use". It works, but is slow when compared to installing apps in Android in my experience.
I would not be surprised to learn that both RPM and DEB aren't really well suited to for the current generation of mobile hardware. Luckily hardware advances really quickly nowadays.

don_falcone 2012-01-24 09:42

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
...which is why again Palm/HP went with the quite old & not maintained IPKG? Even OPKG seems outdated.

jalyst 2012-01-24 17:30

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1154814)
...now for some good news!
There is a Custom Rom made for Tizen! Much like CyanogenMod 7.1 is to Sense 3.5
It's called SteelRat made by a company called Novomok, and they plan to integrate Qt v5 and QML v2 (the latest ones) into Tizen.

Here's a beta version running on an Acer Iconia Tab 500

Yeah that's been known for some time.
But still many people dont seem to be aware of that, so thanks for sharing all the links!

wmarone 2012-01-24 17:39

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard (Post 1154832)
Is Tizen using debian packages again?

Tizen was never not using DEB. It's, thus far, directly descended from SLP which was always DEB. Whether the packaging format will change is unknown.

Quote:

In my opinion the package system on MeeGo harmattan is just adequate for "app-store-use". It works, but is slow when compared to installing apps in Android in my experience.
That's because Android doesn't actually do any real package management. And the slowest aspect of all of this is the storage medium, which is all CPU dependent.

pycage 2012-01-24 19:14

Re: Tizen Source and SDK Preview are here
 
Well, Steelrat is not really an alternative ROM. It is an OS for OEMs and to get it you would have to buy a device with it. You cannot download Steelrat.

The other OEM company that announced Qt support for their Tizen implementation is 4tiitoo.


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