Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

I agree with what you say, 100%, i've been trying to make everyone happy but, seeing this is not the real issue, But Hey, is that not what Cult-ure is all about, holding on to set values.

Microsoft-Nokia made sure they Killed it, Actually it was not so much Nokia that made sure it would die, It was Microsoft, Maybe someone should start a new thread about this, But i mean what type of business model is this

Even though it is a success we are not returning? So, your sales are telling you someone out there likes what your company is doing and you say, we are not going to go back, even though the whole world loves it? Really? Really?....

Now that i am on a Roll, i find it strange, Nokia is saying the N9 is the hottest smartphone of the year and yet, they killed it. I was actually Angry at nokia for a while, Because i Loved their maps,i think they maps are 1000% Better than on android, Mainly because of the robotic voice Google Nav has, and hoped they would do well, But you cannot change what is out of your control,

As you said, In the eyes of the world -- The world of Technology, Physically Meego is dead. Yes. But the idea that Meego stood for is not, IMO, you cannot kill Ideas, and this idea is still alive,Open source, the problem is, people are trying to reincarnate not the Idea, but the actually dead product, and i don't think, Microsoft--Nokia will want to see this, and IMO, i believe they will try very hard to stop it,

How? Well to add insult, the created Not one WIndows phone with the N9 design, But two. So, if you walk in the street with your Meego N9 and someone sees it and likes it, they will think it's a windows phone.

Atleast, if Nokia shares fall, and Microsoft Buys a large chunk, then you know, who Elop actually works for,

OK kids, five points for anyone who gets this correct, -- Which company did Steve Elop work for before moving to Nokia -- Anyone?

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

It's fundamentally difficult and an arduous request for me to point out what it is I don't think I understand--you see, I don't understand what was written. :P

You could have fooled me. You're proposing putting similar blame on salespeople, the way Elop did. I'm just pointing out the obvious fact and the conclusion is easy to make, right or wrong.

That's an incredibly odd argument to make and has all the makings of blithering. You're effectively saying that when you've laid out the features you were looking for in a device, the staff pointed you to popular devices that are better supported, much more capable, newer devices that often (or at least more-or-less) have the features you're looking for, you would just slander them as lazy. Near as I can tell, they're doing most people a favor. Your aversion to "popular" things aside, there's nothing lazy about it. If that's the same as lazy, you're a dolt and my argument to support that statement is as plausible or flimsy as yours.

Also, why are you buggering staff about something you weren't actually looking for when you knew full well what you wanted was an N9? It seems to me that you went in with the intention of not really looking for something they had and you're just looking for an excuse to call them "lazy." You weren't exactly open-minded. That's hardly objective nor convincing evidence for your end of any kind of debate.


This is a very accurate and convincing statement. You could learn from Specc, Tetlee. I don't always agree with Specc but at least he can make perfect sense when he makes his points.

A more relevant example is the old Atari, Commodore, Amiga, Timex Sinclair, Texas Instruments 99/4A, etc. computer enthusiasts. To MANY of those people (I'm particularly partial to my Ataris and Commodores) those machines never really died and they continue to do interesting things today but they ARE dead for all practical purposes and for the general population. Even THOSE enthusiasts will admit that they're floating by on a dead platform but they wear that badge with a certain amount of hacker's pride the way the old classic car people do. As somebody that loves and fixes his own classic 1974 VW Beetle (no longer made/supported by manufacturer) and a 1993 Honda Del Sol (no longer made, very limited support by manufacturer) just for weird fun in addition to keeping up my old Atari and Commodores too, I completely understand it. However, the Maemo/MeeGo crowd seem to lack this sort of reasonable hacker's pride and are in incredible denial, insisting that they're NOT a dead platform. It's strange.

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

What´s all this stress and race for nothing really about?
I assume most of you guys still have your N9s, just like I do...and I assume you´re still enjoying it pretty much...just like I do...
and we all know we chose it and still use it on purpose...the purpose of having something DIFFERENT...something you see every morning without feeling miserable that you´re just another mass-market sheep as are probably 9 of 10 people you know...
Comparing to anything available at the moment, the N9´s swipe UI is by far the most amazing phone experience. Its usability has been polished a lot with PR1.2 update. If the PR1.3 properly fixes some outstanding bugs and has already been defined, it´s even better...I honestly don´t need to even think about any other smartphone for at least a year...
so what´s the big deal of constant fights whether the OS is or is not "dead"? It´s still highly competitive, usable and very much alive OS in our pockets...and that´s that...

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

Your hilarious passive aggressive jealousy aside, you make the right point! If you got your N9, why are you bellyaching? Have some sense of pride, for crying out loud, and try to clearly explain why MeeGo is not dead instead of crying about the facts that you're not really running MeeGo and that MeeGo was stillborn.

Thank you, jleholeho. :cool:

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

What´s with the jealousy, though?
I´d never be jealous to anyone who is just another mass-market sheep...
The only real and clear explanation of MeeGo Harmattan OS not being dead would be a simple questionnaire:
1. Do you have and USE the N9 on daily basis?
2. Are you completely satisfied with it? (almost completely, of course..there´s no smartphone in the world one could say is completely satisfied with)
3. Do you miss something from Droid/iOS/WP in particular, which is pretty much unbearable?

If there´s at least 1 million Y, Y, N anwsers you can easily consider MeeGo Harmattan OS in the N9 as NOT DEAD:D

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan dead ???

I don't think so :
- almost 1,400 softwares @ My-MeeGo and about 5,000 @ Nokia Store after 6 months, with increasing number each week, it is more than N900 after 2 years;
- PR1.2 released 1 month ago, with exclusive features (face recognition in photos and gallery, NFC with Facebook, etc) not found in other smartphones, PR1.3 in some months;
- open mode kernel for PR1.2 since beginning of March or Inception to open the use of your N9/N950, (almost) like being root on N900;
- Fennec/Firefox with Flash 10 & GTalk video release 1 month ago @ Nokia Store;
- "Easy" Debian with open mode kernel or inception;
- Android 4.0.3 ICS alpha on N9 & N950;
- FM radio & Bluetooth keyboard softwares available @ Nokia Store.

MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan would be dead when :
- repositories and Nokia Store stop working, i.e., you could not install softwares after reflashing N9/N950;
- new software aren't released;
- the community stops creating inovative projects.
With this logic, Maemo 5 and even Maemo 4 are not dead. I use my N810 and also develop softwares (released last month IPython 0.10.2, SymPy Interactive Shell 0.7.1, Uncertainties 1.8 and Django !)

I see a lot of energy here that could be spent enjoying the freedom and power of your Nokia N9, or even creating new softwares, hacks, ideas, docs as an active community.

Last opinion, also as an Asus Transformer TF-101 user with Android 4.0.3 ICS : in my opinion, PR1.1->PR1.2 on N9 was a lot more important and useful than Android 3.2->4.0 on TF-101 (which is bugged as hell, I can't use GMail because it often closes). The media perception sells the idea that Android 4.0 is fantastic (with respect to Android 3.x), but my experience shows that it is overhyped.

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

Hey Guys look what i saw in another thread.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-No...phones_id28513

Is Nokia working on two low-end MeeGo smartphones?

If this is true then, Nokia is confused and there is some fighting going on in the Nokia corporation :)

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

Why do people never get it!?

Meego is DEAD. What is NOT dead (yeat) is:

* Maemo6 Harmattan
* Meltemi (probadly a "fork" of Harmattan) and what those lowend devices will be based on.


The people ehind that link have no clue what they talking about when they say "Working on Meego"

Btw. My guess is those lowend devices will be based on Broadcom chipset like the one used in Raspberry PI......

(Actually Nokia seems to be one of the sponsors of raspberrypi project...

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

i actually Said Meego was dead too, As dead in the sense of the Technological world, Eg. Creating new devices with it, Mass marketing and Showing off new devices at places such as CES, NOKIA World, etc . I just came across the Link and found it interesting...

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

There were some heavy layoffs in the Maemo/MeeGo sections of Nokia, right? Did those people by any chance got together to create a new company that stayed true to the ideals we were promised with those projects?