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I didn't want to beleive that Maemo/MeeGo was dead, but Nokia posted this on their public Bug Tracker a few days ago:

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So? It just means that the feature set for PR1.3 has been defined (fixed) and so they are not accepting any more bug reports for this coming version.

Of course if you want to believe MeeGo is dead feel free to use your own interpretation.

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its crazy to read this post. Nokia is a big company. there is room for meego/symbian/wp each in a certain markets but not in all. I am 100 percent certain that wp and nokia are here to stay in the US. part of the reason I believe that is because Nokia doesn't have a choice. WP is the only thing that is polished enough that can sell in the US. also wp has the ease that non techies need, and together they have the muscle to come up with good customer support quickly and they have shown that in just one year. compared with iphone/android/wp7 an american consumer is NEVER going to be happy with an N9. because its not a finished product. n9 has many bugs. its for tech savvy people. people who want an N9 all ready have it.
Also nokia can't go with android because that would be a waste of a huge investment in navteq. there will be no room for Nokia solutions on an ANdroid. at least because MS was desperate they worked with nokia.

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So... not being able to post fixes to existing code means it's alive?

Sorry man. That's the definition of dead. No matter what's found, they won't fix it. They've already scoped it out, and if your bug isn't in the mix, you're SOL.

That's what they did to Win2k.

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WP7 was launched in U.S. for more then 1 year before Nokia entered this platform. Yet it only managed less than 2% penetration. As for Nokia, its brand name in the U.S. is junk. It is associated with cheap flip phones that grandmas use. So where does your confidence that WP and Nokia will succeed in U.S. comes from? This is a marriage between a rejected os and a junk brand name.

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It doesn't mean it is dead either. For all we know it could be just temporary until PR1.3 is released after which they may start accepting bug reports for PR1.4.

Even if worse comes the worse and upgrades stop at PR1.3 it doesn't mean MeeGo will die immediately. It will live as long as there is an active community to produce apps. Look at the N900. Is it dead yet?

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Doesn't this also reek of Maemo's history as well? FIXED IN FREMANTLE, N8x0 OWNERS! FIXED IN FREMANTLE! Go buy a new device for bug fixes! :P

Only, in this case, they're hoping you'll probably jump into a whole new OS. Nokia cares and stuff. :P heheh

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after PR1.3 for OS2011, they could also start working on OS2013
not been Maemo user long enough (thus, before N900) to gauge in how far before the MeeGo / Harmattan release, which obviously meant a fundamental break from Maemo / Fremantle each release was the base for the following...

i think nearly each new version could be installed as a HE (Hacker Edition) on the previous device, so there must have been some compatibility which seems to be missing in Harmattan for N900

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its wp 7.5 and nokia hw that will make it buy able.
I will officially consider it launched when at&t puts a nokia wp7 phone in their stores on april something because this is how 99% of consumers in the US buy their phones. the lumia 900, if that doesn't sell, we'll see. actually if that doesn't sell I still think nokia will keep going with wp7, as a matter of fact, if nothing sells they will still go with wp7. if they can't sell with wp7 in US, they not going to be able to sell with ANYTHING else. my point.
they need the att trolls on their side. but I know they know that now,(from press releases)
T-Mobile is the 3rd carrier they have had the low end 710 for sale in their stores but only since jan '12, that's 3 months. plus T-Mobile is the tech savvy peoples company, they let you and encourage you to bring your own phone with cheaper plans.

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Well, who cares about WP phones?

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Exactly!!!

I'm now trying to get a second N9 :D

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I disagree with you on this. Nokia could easily sell N9 in the U.S. which they refused. When U.S. residents are buying N9s from overseas without any warranty, with no carrier subsidy and no local warranty why does Nokia insist on shafting WP7 down U.S. consumers' throats?

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Oh yeah! They're just lining up outside the stores CRYING OUT for N9's and stuff. 9.9

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people who don't want deal with sorting out bugs in a forum with such simple things as swype.

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dont tell me wp doesnt has bugs, :D

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no, indeed
instead, one morning, your alarm doesn't wake you up, the phone is a useless paperweight because over night m@k$$h!t decided to upgrade it for you & the upgrade killed it completely. :(
if you are unlucky, it even melted the CPU... :mad:
great alternative :rolleyes:

and you have to bring it to a dealer for them to reflash it (losing all your data, of course) and, oh, sorry, it doesn't start up any more... probably one of those where the CPU fried, you'll have to buy a new one... at your own cost, of course
>¦-)))))))))))))))

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where are the eBay gates, exactly ?
>;-)

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I GOT YOUR GATES RIGHT HERE
http://pleco.org/heh/billgatesphotospread1.jpg

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^ LOL

very good

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on april 9th I m buying the lumia 900 regardless of what you fools say. its got to be better than n9, with a bigger screen, battery, faster processor and network. the only thing it doesn't have is Qt and Linux.

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A bigger screen with lower resolution. Sounds awesome, tough guy.

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> The problem with WP7 is that it is too complex to understand, i went to the Phone shop have a look because it uses the same design as N9 which i enjoy, It took me sometimes to realize that to get to the menu, I must press the Small Little Arrow at the top of the screen-- Normal people would have left the phone for another, Plus, people don't like these Tiles, and that fact you cannot turn them off or remove them completely, and this is what i don't like about WP7, they write the specs for the phones, and demand AMOLED screens, what i have a hard time understanding is why, do you get such an amazing screen and put plan monochrome colours on it (Tiles, and menus) , this pushes people away, Lets hope someone from WP7 department reads this, and changes a few things about it.

After i used WP7 i was very disappointed, because i wanted to compromise having a nice design, Nokia Lumia 800 -- and not so nice Os, but the Os is hard... it's not very nice and appealing (For me).

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Actually you can swipe around on the app and tile menu. Should be familiar way to navigate from N9. WP just have visual cue to do that, something N9 lacks.

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I try not being so harsh on WP7 this is my opinion of what i think, People remember things, So, people remember that nokia has Good designs but bad UI's So they look at Lumia WP7 and everytime they see a windows phone being advertised, you see these 1 colour tiles. Ether red, Green, or Blue, and you thinking, Surely there is more to offer? I mean when you advertise something, you should something that is the best? But all you see is these tiles, and you remember the Past of Nokia, and the Problems of windows XP, the constant restarts, Bluescreen, error, then,
you see a samsung galaxy S2 next by and you see some Wind turbines spinning as a wallpapaer sunny, Lifelike, and you are like wow... and you see colour and detail, So which would you choose?

I feel sorry for Ms actually, they are trying, but they must try harder to show people,I think they need to spend time in and a large percentage of money on R&D, i was so excited about WP7, Because they keep saying it's different now, it's different now... But then.. my hopes crashed, i actually fell into a Mini-depresson but i was expecting so much, this super platform, I mean if i am paying so much for a smartphone, i atleast want it to wow me,

I don't like android, thus the reason Meego was appealing to me, but then, thought about Ms, and they failed to deliver.

Trying not to be a hater, so, For first time users, WP7 is good, it's simple, If you want something that has alot of eye candy, is snappy, and simple, WP7 is for you..

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They could sell N9 everywhere. That is not the issue. In Europe only enthusiasts got the N9. I'm sorry to say it, but enthusiasts have a hard life in NA, UK and a couple of other places due to the dark force called operators. Other places phones are freely available, and people can switch operators every day if they want to (dual SIM phones for instance). The result is that the N9 would sell in so small numbers, even among enthusiasts, that there is no point doing it.

Lumias have been on sale for some time now, together with the N9. I am sure out of 100 customers, only 1 chooses the N9 in favor of the Lumia 800. The N9 is dead commercially, and therefore Meego is dead. There are other things coming though.

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WP, on the Lumias at least, is indeed snappy. It is perfectly fluent, fast and generally a very nice experience. The N9 is slow at times, dead slow, I have to wait several seconds sometimes for anything to happen.

MeeGo is dead Get used to it.

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A nice experience once you understand how to use it, Yes, Windows Phone uses a Hybrid Kernel, so that helps it alot, Plus the Lumia has a 1.4 GHZ processor, in comparasion to the 1GHZ of the N9.

My take on it is, if you like something Buy it, that is the whole point of buying things, to make you happy, As for me, if WP7 delivers then i may come to it -- As for mr Droid, i'm avoiding touching him.

Improvements i want to see in window phone, More colour, Greater usability, A menu grid rather than list, some places, the Eye candy can be toned down because it looks cheap, Like in the Hotmail, Like the text from the bottom does something like a loop, and comes to the top, it's OK, But i mean FOR ME, these little things makes me happy.

I think networks are punishing Microsoft-- Not sure why though... went to the shop,(A different one before) woman says, you can get the lumia, But have you seen the Ssmsung Galaxy S2

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Maemo/MeeGo is IMHO not dead, it just won't grow up anymore. It is a decent OS that can serve you well, but you have to live with the status quo.
But since on mobile phones you cannot expect many feature updates to a phone anyway, no matter which manufacturer, it doesn't matter at all. Just use the OS until your phone falls apart. Then, hopefully, something worth replacing MeeGo may have appeared, or it may have not.

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This is a large part of the problem. Store staff are usually lazy and it's easy for them to simply sell the most popular phones so for instance the iphone4s and GalaxyS2 tend to be recommended regardless your wants and needs.

At the same time people are like sheep, as soon as one of those phones everyone is using is recommended, it sounds familier so they easily sold on its features, even if it may not be the ideal phone for their needs, this is quickly forgotten when the sales talk starts.

Personally I'm kind of the opposite, the more people try to push me to certain brands or models, the more I look to see what is it about that device that makes it so special, and if I'd be better served with that less hyped handset that has caught my eye at the other side of the store.

I've with a couple of exceptions, never owned the most popular handsets, yet I've always felt I've owned the best handsets for he features that are most important to me.

I don't really care if MeeGo is dead or not(apart from the shame we will not see future Meego devices), it's certainly alive and kicking in my N9 and there's very little more I could want from it just now, I'm happy.

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it is still a research project and we will very likely see a successor to the N9 with a OS2013 or so...

the fact is that Maemo / MeeGo (despite later's attention b/c of the Intel / NOKIA agreement) is for technically interested users
WP is for fan boys & girls
the masses go with ANDroid or iOS

if it hadn't been for Flop's harakiri, a lot more ppl (all the existing user base...) would have been interested a lot more in Symbian as well...
o well, no brain, no pain

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> You are right, the main thing is you are happy with it, and it helps you, People who say Meego is dead fail to realize, you cannot kill Ideas, So it will always be alive. somewhere, somehow in someform,

>That i believe is the most important thing, if you are happy with N9, you may always be-able to get support, 3RD party support, parts on the Internet etc.. and frankly, most smartphones do the same thing. there is no major Leap yet...

> I have a good idea about how media advertising works, so i have an idea why people say it's dead. Hint* (people want to be included, it's called Club Mentality and the other reason is having value)

> I heard, that every samsung galaxy S2 or Android that is sold, they get a commission or something, but windows phones, they do not. but i cannot confirm this, apart from my experience which would suggest it is true, because she was really trying to make me buy i even asked her if she would lie to me :)

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Well of course the N9 is rather popular among enthusiasts, because many "simple" smartphone users aren't even aware that the N9 exists. I'm in a country where they sold N9 from the beginning, now it's unfortunately poisoned by WP but this country is so anti-windows (one of the highest Mac OS / Linux / iPhone usage word-wide) that it won't have any chances anyways.

Many people were scared to buy a N9 when it was fresh, because Nokia missed to advertise it. Users thought it would be the "by-media-old-told" Symbian, heard the suicidal announcements of Elop or the lacking support.

But still, I saw already a couple N9's (since I use the train a lot) - most used by people who don't look like enthusiasts at all (not that I can judge that, but my feeling). PS, vs 0 seen Lumia's - but that can be, because I don't want to see them.

The N900 is a fully enthusiast/geek phone, while the N9 isn't and was never meant to be. But Nokia, those fools, tries to make the N9 to a niche-product.

Therefore the N9 ISN'T dead at all at this moment. But yes the future doesn't look very bright, because the biggest enemy of the N9 isn't the iPhone or an Android, it's Nokia.

I have to mention that I have nothing against WP per-se. Even thought of buying one before the N9 came out. But having tested it now a couple times it's just obvious that WP is such a step backwards towards MeeGo or Symbian. Those live-tiles are a nice idea, but after a while most people will realise that a good notification page (which even iOS 5 has now) is much better. And I guess I don't need to mention all the missing features of WP... I'd rather buy an iPhone then, because at least I have tons of applications to choose from. BTW MeeGo already now has more quality apps than WP! (Quality apps = all apps - commercial apps - feed apps - advertisement apps - apps you can replace with a website)

I often wonder, why should I even have a Nokia phone when the company is run by such incompetent people? Well the N9 might be my first and last Nokia smartphone, but never before I was so satisfied with a phone and still used it with such joy after months since purchase. Everything I tried to implement to my iPhone through jailbreak (ok iOS 5 finally has some basic features), the N9 already has and much more.. and Android, well they're pretty good, but to buggy. Just compare once a Skype-call on N9 and Android. First is a joy while 2nd a shame.

The problem is that many iPhone (or WP) users don't even know what a phone could do. Somehow the intelligence of users got lowered through the iPhone. To me it always was a mystery why with that smartphone I have less functionalities than with a typical mobile phone (like bluetooth transfer, FM Radio, mass-storage, etc...).

There are many curious friends (90% iPhone users) asking about my phone, especially when I tell that it's not Windows. In most cases they are absolutely excited about it (system and look) - girls and guys (except for Apple-fan-boys who defend everything) and realize how cramped they are with their Apple-phones.
And believe it or not, with Maemo5 or Symbian I never could have left such an impression to other phone users like with MeeGo.

But there we are again at the incompetence of Nokia and Amercian shareholders trying again to destroy good foreign products and replace it with own crap...

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I totally agree, for smartphone beginners WP is ok, you can't do anything bad with it and it's not a bad system at all. I also like the idea of those cheaper Lumia phones. But I don't see why a typical iPhone user, Android or Symbian/Meego should switch to WP. Each of those platforms offer something which makes them special - WP doesn't, except for the different, fast UI and those tiles - but is that enough? I doubt.

I wonder how the upcoming WP update will be, because the actual version just will never be able to compete. Microsoft spends tons of money into developing apps and advertisement (or get a free Xbox, free WP etc...). Without that they wouldn't be anywhere - and they can't keep finance their own product for ever...

Anyways, this thread is about MeeGo... ;) sorry

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well, WP & Flop's denial for MeeGo (or Symbian, for that matter) are the primary reason ppl see MeeGo as dead... many (mobile) news site only mention MeeGo because (thankfully in their eyes) NOKIA replaced it with WP...

metro is going to be... more like metro
they screwed that pretty well up, why should they change it?

maybe a new thread (indeed >¦-)
what more is needed to make WP utterly useless?!?

• NO phone calls whenever battery below 90% charge... only m$ updates :eek:
• block all 09xx numbers (it's all pervert, right?)
• block all 08xx numbers (they are free, providers don't get money from that :mad:)
• and the list goes on, Ad vitam æternam...

:|

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Would think porting Meego to Samsung Galaxy S2 would not be impossible. And later to Galaxy S3. That would rock (until Tizen is ready).

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Now I guess I'm really going off-topic(and this is my second post here so that says something) but in my experience things were the exact opposite - I went into the store sure I would come out with a galaxy 2 when the staff just kept pushing me towards the N9...good thing they did as the UI on the Samsung would have killed me.

Anyway I have yet to see a reason not to use MeeGo even though it was declared "dead" when the only thing I find missing for now is the whip app(shown on tbbt).

EDIT:Nope found that one too.

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Lumia does not have usb mass storage, bluetooth, that's a deal breaker already in certain regions. Plus the overdependence on Zune, that's it.
N9 is fluid & snappy. Copying large files to other devices is not a headache. And of course, the swipe :D
Yeah, Nokia close in Romania, cut jobs in Finland, etc, then they come over to Asia, familiar story ;)

Oh, why people say Meego is dead? Cos Microsoft & Elop killed it

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I think you and Lumia deserve each other. Have fun.

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Missing no more! :P

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Ever noticed that nobody has really talked about getting MeeGo onto anything as of yet?

I'm more than likely not aware of everything going on - don't mind admitting that, but I've seen Android go to an older Windows Mobile - not Windows Phone 7 - and ICS onto other platforms and machines, but only MeeGo went only so far to the Nook Color, but that was MeeGo tablet, not the handset version we'd know and love.

So... there's Nemo. But it doesn't exactly have Harmattan's Swipe UI. So why isn't MeeGo being ported to other devices? Why isn't there activity in that area like there are over other devices - look at XDA Developers for some serious activity in that regard.