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Plus i would think you would be able to put Meego On Samsung GS2 because they used the same Kernel as Meego, with differences, they both used a Monolithic Kernel, with a few alterations Googles part, so it should not be that hard to port Meego to an android developed device but for the amount of work, some developers would not see it as worth it. Seeing they will not be able to have a steady relationship with Moneyca (Did it again LOL ). My opinion anyways. |
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Two paths. Moblin was mostly the MeeGo Tablet version. I'm talking about the MeeGo Handset - thus Maemo derived (mostly). The last two were idle talk, nothing happened. I'm talking about results. I just flashed ICS onto a Kindle Fire last night. I've flashed Android onto a HP TouchPad in the past. I overclocked and flashed HoneyComb and now ICS onto a Nook Color last year. I waited for the MeeGo tablet version for the Nook Color, it was shown, but I don't recall an bootable ISO ever coming out in full - a lot of work was done by wmarone, but it was a shell, some UI... There are more visible attempts - like here - but as far as it goes, MeeGo tablet (Moblin) was more prevalent than MeeGo handset (Maemo) onto any device. If you have more than brainstorm links to share, I'm game. But so far, the devices have been mostly tablets. Not all, but most. |
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Nokia- Intel creates a love child, Meego Harmattan, Intel rans away and leaves and leaves Nokia to bring up the child alone. Ms- comes and will support Nokia, and at that point. Ms-Nokia is trying to kill the love child Harmattan, By saying that even if it is a success we won't return, Thanks to the INTERNET and the Chinese whisper sites, People now believe that Meego is dead. Because a large company like Ms-Nokia has said it. Most people know nothing about Os, Kernels or anything, so if Nokia says, People think, They say, therefore, Must be I believe you are right when you say about getting your product out there, Most people have no idea, they literally get things because someone says ICS is good, iOs is Good, But don't know anything about it. Seeing Ms-Nokia has/is trying very hard to kill the love child, Normal people, will think, well i won't get any app support so, it would not be appealing to them, and so they would not want to change. So Ms- Nokia has tried very hard to make sure, the love child does not show it's face again. and this is what i believe is causing problems to developers. |
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February 2010 - Nokia commits to MeeGo fully. No other handset announcements come after that announcement that is positive - later in the year, LG backs out after showing a nearly completed product and no reason is given. No products are shown that more than a shell, a very simple UI and some mockups for months. Intel is rather reticent on their involvement, Linux Foundation says that they will not host the MeeGo source (rather dubious). February 2011 - A year later after the MeeGo commitment and there's no fruits of Nokia's labor to be seen in stores yet - only the WeTab exists and it's shrouded in issues because of its CEO giving it only 5 star ratings on Amazon.de and then Elop drops a mother****ing nuclear bomb on any forward movement with MeeGo - Nokia announces a partnership with Microsoft, declares there is a burning platform, Symbian also will die. So... here's the cause. The slowness that Nokia exhibited with Maemo developed OS and products - only one iteration (for the most part) of hardware per iteration of OS (N810 and N810 WiMax - also not a good choice since WiMax is all but dead now) led to Maemo 6 not being in a place where the entire public, not just us enthusiasts, hackers and people that love having something new, shiny and not made by Apple (for the most part) in our hands. That meant Elop could waltz in, say one very true thing "Can we launch it today? No? It's in the way." and nobody from the board members to senior executive staff could argue that. Also, Maemo products were not in the same league as their best selling Symbian devices. Not in the least. And Maemo has never enjoyed the same level of funding, engineer support or internal support as Symbian... which is also to be led off and killed in order to support their (Nokia's) new WP7 line. So... here's the effect. Read the February 2011 announcement part again. Due to the slowness, due to the inability to shove something out right then and there. So about 18 months or so after the Intel/Nokia MeeGo announcement, after Intel basically abandoned it, saw failure with their Intel AppUp (failure as in it is not as big as the Android Market, nor really even Blackberry's Market) and then they move on to Tizen, which will be hosted and supported by the Linux Foundation. The N9 becomes a one-off product that will probably get only PR1.3 support, equal to N900 and with the bug report deal closed, it's pretty much a sealed deal that we will not get more support outside of severe security issues for the rest of this year. Nokia played it too slow with Maemo. The world passed them by with iOS, Android and others. Nokia allowed Elop to come in, make sweeping statements from a company that's more known for reticence. I sorta wished Elop would have learned the Nokia motto of remaining silent, releasing late instead of hyping WP7, killing Symbian, removing talented engineers from MeeGo, placing a bet on a lower-level Meltemi and an even lesser selling WP7 and sealing the deal on this site, the Harmattan engineers and closing factories in Europe and shifting production to Asia... just like everybody else. Cause/effect as I see it. Your theory has a lot of truths in it. I just think that it's far simpler than your theory. See the bolded bits in the prior paragraph to see how simple it truly is, imho. |
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Just saying Man, Ex, when i first heard about N9 i hated it, Because "people" around me hated it, Not because of the hardware, But the software, at that time, i did not know what Meego was, But, seeing everyone said it is rubbish and dead. well Do as i do, so i said... It is rubbish.
One of the first thing i thought, Can i get opera Mini on Meego officially? NO-- what? Almost every device can use opera mini--, can i get whats App officially ? No, can i get Nimbuzz on it officially? No, And all these apps have ,Blackberry,iOs,Android,windows phone(Maybe not whats app Yet, not sure) support. If you are an android User, or some other platform and you keep hearing these No's do you think you will leave your platform for meego? NO, i'm being realistic and i'm saying how average people see it, Because thats how i saw it, and people around me which have an influence on my decisions (Friends), But i had to take time and learn about each Os, before i decided. and then i choose Meego. Normal people don't have the time to sit and learn about android, of Windows phone, Meego,blackberry, they Just go, do you think Meego is good, Or android.. and they go based on what their friends are doing, or what a sales person in the shop is saying.. Eg my friend has Xperia S keeps talking about how good it is, Although i understand these things, the fact he is always talking about it has an effect on me. Meego is nice... But to an average person, who does not know... it looks unsupported, Because the more you ask, Does it have, and they say No, it makes seem unappealing. Because most users don't go home and flash their phones, or Hack it. Now, who aided in creating this image about Meego? -- The same one who created it. Therefore if the creator of something is treating it in this way, Normal people will not have too much respect for it, Don't get me wrong, I love Meego, I'm just saying, People like updates, Hear them talking about, I got an Update last night... (Even thought it was just to fix bugs) |
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The reason I commented that store staff are often lazy is because from my experience they are. As I already explained, more often than not, whatever the features you tell them you're looking for, they'll have you on one of the two most popular phones within minutes, even if they don't fit the bill for what you clearly described as your needs in a phone. I only go into high street stores to have a proper look at the handsets(where possible, N9 being a fine example of not possible), but always find a member of store staff trying to tell me what I'm looking for, which I can almost garantee is not. I even walked into both CPW and P4Y some time ago saying I was looking for a good qwerty phone, to which I was recommended a GalaxyS2:rolleyes: Went back home and ordered a Nokia E7 which nobody in store was interested in discussing yet it fit my requirements perfectly. |
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Did you buy the phone to make others happy or yourself?
As long as this community is involved what happens with the N9 is up to us. A good example is the N900. Plus, who cares what other people say? We stopped living in a tribe mentality ages ago. We won't get chastised for being different, that is the beauty of this day and age. |
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even though there is no development for meego to sgs2, i would love to see the current state meego pr1.2 on a dual core. It'll run fast i am sure.
On another note, symbian is very dependable, but doesnt have the guts to support fast web browsing. This is where i think Nokia could have been innovative. A dualcore arm v6 and arm v7 on the same chip. The hungry v7 core should have been only utilized for browsing. |
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Best bet... Nemo on SGS2. At least they're doing something. |
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Amusing discussion. It's like discussing if the Ford model T is alive or not. For the enthusiasts it is just as alive now as ever before. For the rest of the world it is nothing but a curiosity and a piece of history.
I mean, MeeGo is nice and all on the N9, even though it is not MeeGo but Harmattan, But it IS dead in any real world terms concerning the future. |
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Microsoft-Nokia made sure they Killed it, Actually it was not so much Nokia that made sure it would die, It was Microsoft, Maybe someone should start a new thread about this, But i mean what type of business model is this Quote:
Now that i am on a Roll, i find it strange, Nokia is saying the N9 is the hottest smartphone of the year and yet, they killed it. I was actually Angry at nokia for a while, Because i Loved their maps,i think they maps are 1000% Better than on android, Mainly because of the robotic voice Google Nav has, and hoped they would do well, But you cannot change what is out of your control, As you said, In the eyes of the world -- The world of Technology, Physically Meego is dead. Yes. But the idea that Meego stood for is not, IMO, you cannot kill Ideas, and this idea is still alive,Open source, the problem is, people are trying to reincarnate not the Idea, but the actually dead product, and i don't think, Microsoft--Nokia will want to see this, and IMO, i believe they will try very hard to stop it, How? Well to add insult, the created Not one WIndows phone with the N9 design, But two. So, if you walk in the street with your Meego N9 and someone sees it and likes it, they will think it's a windows phone. Atleast, if Nokia shares fall, and Microsoft Buys a large chunk, then you know, who Elop actually works for, OK kids, five points for anyone who gets this correct, -- Which company did Steve Elop work for before moving to Nokia -- Anyone? |
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Also, why are you buggering staff about something you weren't actually looking for when you knew full well what you wanted was an N9? It seems to me that you went in with the intention of not really looking for something they had and you're just looking for an excuse to call them "lazy." You weren't exactly open-minded. That's hardly objective nor convincing evidence for your end of any kind of debate. Quote:
A more relevant example is the old Atari, Commodore, Amiga, Timex Sinclair, Texas Instruments 99/4A, etc. computer enthusiasts. To MANY of those people (I'm particularly partial to my Ataris and Commodores) those machines never really died and they continue to do interesting things today but they ARE dead for all practical purposes and for the general population. Even THOSE enthusiasts will admit that they're floating by on a dead platform but they wear that badge with a certain amount of hacker's pride the way the old classic car people do. As somebody that loves and fixes his own classic 1974 VW Beetle (no longer made/supported by manufacturer) and a 1993 Honda Del Sol (no longer made, very limited support by manufacturer) just for weird fun in addition to keeping up my old Atari and Commodores too, I completely understand it. However, the Maemo/MeeGo crowd seem to lack this sort of reasonable hacker's pride and are in incredible denial, insisting that they're NOT a dead platform. It's strange. |
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Whatīs all this stress and race for nothing really about?
I assume most of you guys still have your N9s, just like I do...and I assume youīre still enjoying it pretty much...just like I do... and we all know we chose it and still use it on purpose...the purpose of having something DIFFERENT...something you see every morning without feeling miserable that youīre just another mass-market sheep as are probably 9 of 10 people you know... Comparing to anything available at the moment, the N9īs swipe UI is by far the most amazing phone experience. Its usability has been polished a lot with PR1.2 update. If the PR1.3 properly fixes some outstanding bugs and has already been defined, itīs even better...I honestly donīt need to even think about any other smartphone for at least a year... so whatīs the big deal of constant fights whether the OS is or is not "dead"? Itīs still highly competitive, usable and very much alive OS in our pockets...and thatīs that... |
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Iīd never be jealous to anyone who is just another mass-market sheep... The only real and clear explanation of MeeGo Harmattan OS not being dead would be a simple questionnaire: 1. Do you have and USE the N9 on daily basis? 2. Are you completely satisfied with it? (almost completely, of course..thereīs no smartphone in the world one could say is completely satisfied with) 3. Do you miss something from Droid/iOS/WP in particular, which is pretty much unbearable? If thereīs at least 1 million Y, Y, N anwsers you can easily consider MeeGo Harmattan OS in the N9 as NOT DEAD:D |
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MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan dead ???
I don't think so : - almost 1,400 softwares @ My-MeeGo and about 5,000 @ Nokia Store after 6 months, with increasing number each week, it is more than N900 after 2 years; - PR1.2 released 1 month ago, with exclusive features (face recognition in photos and gallery, NFC with Facebook, etc) not found in other smartphones, PR1.3 in some months; - open mode kernel for PR1.2 since beginning of March or Inception to open the use of your N9/N950, (almost) like being root on N900; - Fennec/Firefox with Flash 10 & GTalk video release 1 month ago @ Nokia Store; - "Easy" Debian with open mode kernel or inception; - Android 4.0.3 ICS alpha on N9 & N950; - FM radio & Bluetooth keyboard softwares available @ Nokia Store. MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan would be dead when : - repositories and Nokia Store stop working, i.e., you could not install softwares after reflashing N9/N950; - new software aren't released; - the community stops creating inovative projects. With this logic, Maemo 5 and even Maemo 4 are not dead. I use my N810 and also develop softwares (released last month IPython 0.10.2, SymPy Interactive Shell 0.7.1, Uncertainties 1.8 and Django !) I see a lot of energy here that could be spent enjoying the freedom and power of your Nokia N9, or even creating new softwares, hacks, ideas, docs as an active community. Last opinion, also as an Asus Transformer TF-101 user with Android 4.0.3 ICS : in my opinion, PR1.1->PR1.2 on N9 was a lot more important and useful than Android 3.2->4.0 on TF-101 (which is bugged as hell, I can't use GMail because it often closes). The media perception sells the idea that Android 4.0 is fantastic (with respect to Android 3.x), but my experience shows that it is overhyped. |
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Hey Guys look what i saw in another thread.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-No...phones_id28513 Is Nokia working on two low-end MeeGo smartphones? If this is true then, Nokia is confused and there is some fighting going on in the Nokia corporation :) |
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Meego is DEAD. What is NOT dead (yeat) is: * Maemo6 Harmattan * Meltemi (probadly a "fork" of Harmattan) and what those lowend devices will be based on. The people ehind that link have no clue what they talking about when they say "Working on Meego" Btw. My guess is those lowend devices will be based on Broadcom chipset like the one used in Raspberry PI...... (Actually Nokia seems to be one of the sponsors of raspberrypi project... |
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There were some heavy layoffs in the Maemo/MeeGo sections of Nokia, right? Did those people by any chance got together to create a new company that stayed true to the ideals we were promised with those projects?
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But let's get back on track... Maemo is certainly dead. Is MeeGo dead? Welllllll... let's read the latest update from the front page of MeeGo.org's own website: https://meego.com/community/blogs/im...ats-next-meego "Over the next couple of months, we will be working very hard to make sure that users of MeeGo can easily transition to Tizen, and I will be working even harder to make sure that developers of MeeGo can also transition to Tizen." Well, shoot--that sounds like a wrap-up message if I ever read one. Just saying! |
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Guys, I donīt really get some of your contemplations expressed here...
Whatīs the goddamn point of shouting out loud: YES? MeeGo IS DEAD, HAHAHAHAHA...?????? So what? If itīs dead, so be it....the N9 at the current FW state is a damn good product, anyway...just the fact that so many people have a need to express their opinions on this forum and spit and piss on N9 in any way means itīs soooo UNIQUE... knock it off guys, the ones who have the N9, just enjoy it, the ones who donīt mind your South Korean Droid business... |
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MeeGo IS DEAD, HAHAHAHAHA...
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Guys, I donīt really get some of your contemplations expressed here... Whatīs the goddamn point of shouting out loud: YES? MeeGo IS ALIVE, HAHAHAHAHA...?????? So what? If itīs alive, so be it....the N9 at the current FW state is an abandoned product, anyway...just the fact that so many people have a need to express their frustrations on this forum and spit and piss on Nokia in any way means itīs soooo UNIQUE (read: end of the line)... knock it off guys, the ones who have the N9, just enjoy it, the ones who donīt mind your ample, varied and far better supported ANDROID businesses... http://pleco.org/leavemaemoalone.jpg |
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Maaan, I`m starting to throw up here...
What are you, like 13? Stick your crappy Droid up in the a... and get off this forum... I`m sure you`re some kind of degenerated Droid addict, who uses such forums to express his poor feelings about himself... Are we still talking about stupid handsets here? Wake up man... You obviously cry in the corner because goddamn N9 is not supported in the US and you`d just love to get one to show your fellow Droid addicts who`s the daddy here:D |
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but at the same time this forum is intended to support Maemo/MeeGo...there`s a lot of Droid forums where your fella can masturbate better, I`m sure... |
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let me google that for you? again? ;) looook i found it :D http://youtube.com/watch?v=YjalkMRX0Hs |
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Anyways, does anything in this thread really matter? I will happily plod on enjoying my N9 for as long as I can. Not knowing what lies ahead for Meego, Harmattan or whatever you want to call it doesn't really bother me. The main thing is that I have a fantastic device that does what I need very nicely. And no doubt sooner or later another device will be introduced that will tempt and entice me - just as the N9 did :D |
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