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Short explanation (perfect for your level of attention):
At least Android has been masturbation-worthy, can't say the same for Nokia's offerings in a LONG time. Here... let me call you a waaaaaaahmbulance! ;)
Maybe ANGRY MAN needs to be replaced with CRYING MAN? Angry Man. heheheh

HELLO, CRYING MAN!
http://pleco.org/leavemaemoalone.jpg

Long explanation (just in case you've had your special meds and vitamins today):
Come now, the drama is wonderful here. Besides, I keep looking to see if things improve. It seems like they never do, but I hold onto the hope. I used to LOVE Maemo when it was an improving platform going from the 770 to the N8x0 days and Internet Tablet days before it turned a pivot and started to roll downhill quickly. I still think the N900 wasn't an improvement on the platform--it was the start of the end of the whole thing. What once was a unique product that Nokia could have been at the head of today turned, instead, into a 'ME TOO' iPhone competitor and lost its openness and portable computing platform roots along the way more and more. The N9 barely resembles a computer (more a phone, now) and the Maemo platform is dead-dead-dead, MeeGo didn't even get a chance and now Tizen isn't even related to anything Nokia. So... now I come here to see what evolves out of this mess but the discussions are interesting sometimes.

This doesn't mean I don't visit the Android forums (Hell! I just got promoted to being an admin of the largest Android Facebook group just this past week) but I still like to see what's going on elsewhere. As I've said repeatedly, I'm never married to any one platform--if I see something better, I'll be perfectly willing to use it--and if I'm not satisfied with a platform, I'll easily divorce myself from it. Maemo got exactly ONE purchase from me and I'd been waiting ever since for something deserving but I don't think Maemo will ever be there again at this rate.

Last time I checked, this forum doesn't exist to support anything. I was repeatedly told that Nokia doesn't participate here, they just helped pay for the site to exist--and even THAT is ending very, very soon. MeeGo isn't even in the name, so I don't know where THAT came from. Support indeed. heh

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congrats on your promotion...
you know what, let`s quit this sort of useless conversation, we surely don`t help each other, nor do we help anyone else here...
I`m still absolutely positive there`s no smartphone available at the moment which would make me more happy than my N9...that`s my opinion...but I`m sure it may change one day:)
I really like this movement, though
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333
it appears there still are some genuine Nokia people on this forum...

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I'm awaiting to see what the Nokia people such as that link will do with that information.

It takes time, engineers, programmers and a budget to get anything done if it's done in the official manner. If it's just via the community, well they need access and support.

All of the aforesaid seems to be waning in regards to the Nokia N9/Harmattan.

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yep, you`re right...
it looks like we`d need some real Nokia contact to get hold of real and true info on anything upcoming...
I met a guy from Helsinki at a congress in Brussels last month, he`s sort of a foreign colleague, but he told me he has a person within family working in Nokia management in Espoo...I guess I should ask him to get me some info on upcoming updates, development, apps for N9...

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

It's just history repeating itself. Same garbage we've heard, seen and lived through with the previous versions of Maemo and Nokia's pledge of opening things up and offering a process to request it--which rarely, RARELY ever succeeded and then when it did, it was utterly late and long after a new device came out and I *STILL* feel like those victories were more attributable to the component manufacturer than to Nokia (since Nokia itself STILL hasn't open-sourced their own non-driver, pure applications that came in Maemo).

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

join this contest everybody, ;)

http://www.openmobility.eu/conference/om2012/contest/

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i remember a developer that used to be on here? wore a tie, had a very short haircut, maybe german? i can't remember, very popular, he said something about a big annoncement in november for the n900? anybody know who am talking about? i used to have his twitter.

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

Do you have more information?

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You mean Zehjotkah? He is all into Meego

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yeah Zehjotkah him that guy lol. I remember him saying about some announcement about the N900 for November time ago, a lot of people thought it was going to be the entire source code, looks like it wasn't anything special.

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

Old article.. but it seems relevant to our conversation here:
http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/talous.sh...go-puhelimeksi
...or in English for the majority of us here.

From as recently as June of 2011, right from the donkey's mouth (translated, mind you):
"Nokia's CEO Stephen Elopin that a lot of interest aroused Nokia N9 is the only MeeGo phone, even if it would become a best-seller. Elop said in an interview in Helsingin Sanomat confident that Nokia's upcoming Windows-based phones will be a success."

So, once again, yes--both Maemo and MeeGo are pretty much dead--especially if you're talking Nokia.

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Just a reminder about the "Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful" thread that EXACTLY speaks to my last post to this thread.

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And why would he return? Have you used N9? Half-baked OS. Jittery, laggy, you feel like you are being waterboarded most of the time. Microsoft OS is the best NOKIA had on its phones for a long time.

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Quit while you are ahead and leave this community.

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Just being objective as a user.

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What you're doing isn't objective. You're sharing your opinion. At least call it for what it is and not for what you may think it is...

Fair is fair. I'm one of Nokia's worse critics. But at the same time, I think even I come off as more objective than you.

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and being a fanboy? what ur windows phone? can u beat my sgs2? or even my N900? lol, i have lumia 710, and its su*k

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I have lumia 710 and I agree, the build quality sucks. So I got the 800. Very smooth and responsive. Superb email. Does the basics very well. N9- unreliable, laggy, GPS sucks. Yes, my opinion. And I even bought two N9s, so, yes, I am entitled to my opinion.

N900 is very outdated. Port fell out, but I did like it. In terms of ease of use, lumia 800 beats all of current nokias

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You mean you didn't have problems like short battery life, wildly variable battery life, cannot charge up when flat, cannot end call, random reboots, atrocious sound quality, volume jumping, unreliable camera focusing, etc which many other Lumia 800 users are experiencing? You must have got a very lucky one.

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@Lumiaman (what a name...). With all your messages you exactly prove, that you rather have no clue about the mobile phones you're talking about, or that you're just here to bash N9 and defend a Lumia - maybe because you couldn't get a N9 or whatever the reason is. Because if you would really own a (or two) N9 you wouldn't write such wrong things. Btw everyone can claim that he/she owns this and that phone.

Lumia is smooth and has more corporate apps than N9 - but that's it. Don't worry, I know all platforms pretty well (well I could just claim that too, but no... I don't). Yes my preference is the N9, but I would never say that Lumia is generally crap. But in MY opinion the GUI and limited features are a disaster - I'm happy though that there are so many platforms and everyone finds a preferred one, if it is Maemo 6 or WP.

And as you say yourself - Lumia does the basics pretty well, yes that's true. But at maemo.org we talk about smartphones and not some kind of feature-phones which pretend to be something different.

So please rather speak in a normal way or please visit a forum with people of your kind and praise with them WP and what a revolutionary, brilliant, super-cool-it-invented-everything phone this is. This is the Maemo community which doesn't need any WP-trolls. If WP is so boring that people like you need to bash around in other forums, you maybe should think about another platform next time you buy a phone.

Therefore let's stop being whiny (incl. me) about platforms and keep the constructive discussion of this thread alive.

For everyone who wants to see intuitive vs. basic features (quote Lumiaman), watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=eHlVOoZKH-k

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@Lumiaman

that`s just another of UR crappy opinions...
MY crappy opinion is:
N9
totally reliable
absolutely smooth and snappy after PR1.2 (will be even smoother after PR1.3)

Lumia 800
totally unreliable (BT is pain in the ***, camera acts weird, Zune is pain in the ***, etc, etc)
bad battery (still yet to be resolved...when exactly???)

if you really have 2 N9s you gotta be either TOTALLY dumb or totally DUMB to use Lumia instead...

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I'm sorry, what exactly would the 800 do vs the 710 that would make it more Smooth and Responsive..

Don't they share the same exact CPU/GPU/Mem Specs. After all, MS is doling out the spec requirements in WP's strategy, the I-can't-think-of-anything-new-so-I'll-copy-Apple's-strategy-of-controlling-as-much-as-I-can-of-the-environment-even-though-in-comparison-I-have-5%-of-the-vision-creativity-and-management-skills-of-Apple.... :D

If I was more paranoid I would think MS is buying trolls, which fits in with the scorch-earth, do whatever it takes marketing strategy of late. Lol, $99 for the Lumia 900 in the US... Wow. Still sucks. 16GB internal storage is nothing (including for the N9)

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I have experienced all of the above with N9, not Lumia 800.

N9 problems- jerky, laggy, unresponsive at times. Lumia 800 very smooth performance, no lag, no jerkiness

GPS- N9 slow to respond, Lumia 800 much better

NOKIA maps on N9- unreliable in location, Lumia 800 very precise

QWERTY board: tiny, too easy to hit period instead of the space bar, english predictive text worst I ever used. LUmia 800 better than N9, still worse than iphone

EMAIL: jerky, awful search function, cant open files well. Lumia 800 superb, better than iphone.

MULTITASKING: very good on N9 compared to LUMIA800 (definite weakness)

N9: Unresponsive when charging

N9: text messages between different individuals sometimes mixed up in the same thread (even in pr1.2). Never happened on Lumia or iphone

N9 web browser: oh my, oh my, there is nothing worse on the market

N9 call quality: OK, just OK. Lumia 800 and iphone same

In my experience, N9 definitely comes last on basics. And I am just talking about basics and not tinkering possibilities.

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Give it up Lumiaman ;-) It's just getting ridiculous and sad... While two things you wrote about are partially true, others are just so WP-fanboy influenced that a proper answer to your post is not possible.

If you like your Lumia, be happy with that and enjoy it - don't try to write down personal preferences as facts. If others would do that too, preferring the N9, your words would have the impact of a lil wind gust to a twister. We heard you and we know that you love your Lumia - that's it.

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

Don't be rude! Can't you see we're enjoying watching the funny little man do his dance?
http://pleco.org/heh/Disdord_eating_popcorn.png
DANCE, FADBOY! DANCE!

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Its real fun watching N9 fan boyism get in the way of objectivity. The beautiful thing is the choice we all have. I enjoy using different platforms and personally think that iPhone is still the best as sales and its popularity show. It is however boring to be me too crowd. So yes, we all want to be a little different and show off something unique and new. I thought N9 was going to be it. Sadly its not.

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Are you calling me an N9 fanboy? Heheh Oh PLEASE say that you are. People here will LOVE to hear that.

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wp is b*tches, best nokia product is n9 till date, no wp again for me, this is total downgrade after N9, nokia is stupid!!!

:D

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Nah. I am surprised they tolerate your diatribes. You are just depressed that you don't have N9 in your hands

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They both have merits and they both have flaws. N9 is way more flexible...it seems that if you get an OS that's flexible, you sacrifice some smoothness and reliability heh

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Well when the response is touting some OS with a Playskool looking homescreen, with over-designed, enlarged text forming some ridiculous Panoramic-centric UI which really just seems like sloppy run-on UI design. Looks hideous on a small screen (sigh, portrait), not that bad on a tablet/computer. Though combine WP with out of date specs controlled by Microsoft, then we'll probably tolerate hyperbole for our OS/UI design that is a drastic change in interaction and tries new paradigms.

I seriously hope Android steals Swype (or really a close continuation of how WebOS did things), since it really is paradigm shifting.

Every time I pick up an iPhone (.. which is more often than I care to admit) or even my N8 I want to slam my phone down every time I have to revert to using a physical button.

Forget about WP, I want to throw up every time I see the homescreen.

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

I don't know what the reliability thing is about. PR1.1 and 1.2 really helped with that, but the only major bug I had was that account settings not being remembered, which was solved by a re-flash. Smoothness.. well I'd say for the most part its smooth, when I start hammering the CPU then yeah, but I don't mind that if it means true multitasking. I just wish the N9 came with a dual CPU, but that would also mean a larger battery requirement.

If they ever do manage to build another Maemo/Meego phone, it would be cool if they created a higher clocked core with a lower clocked core and offload (affinity) most of the system/UI tasks to the lower core and shut off the higher core when not needed. Maybe lots o' ram so more stuff can be stuffed in RAM and not reside on "disk" :)

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http://www.woosk.com/wp-content/uplo...5;-venture.png

Do I sound depressed? Because I'm really not--and I regret that you've misinterpreted my feelings on the matter. heheh Derp. :)

Ah! Stop right there. :)

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Yes many of those annoying bugs got fixed with PR 1.2. I would say this update brought the N9 in many ways to another level. I actually would even say that the N9 was not 100% market ready before PR 1.2. But as we know its Nokia (always need some more time...), the development team has been e(f)loped (reduced), and every new platform generally needs its time.

I'm quiet happy that the N9 doesn't have a duel-core CPU. I honestly don't know how big the impact of such a stronger CPU is on the battery life. But what I can say is, that battery life on the N9 is absolutely stunning. With previous smartphones I always was worried to barely make it through the day (I use them quiet heavy, especially with international internet calls). The N9 stays "alive" without problems for at least 1.5 days (and more if I turn it off at night) with Skype constantly being on, browsing, twitter, facebook and usage of other apps...

The only functions I reduced to a minimum are email-sync (once a day auto-sync and otherwise manually) and my feeds-screen only shows some RSS and videos of my youtube account.

What may also save some battery are notifications on the stand-by screen. Since f.e iPhones or WP come with a dead-standby screen where you constantly have to wake the screen up to see notifications - this might consume quiet some battery, thinking of how often people do that per day.

So yes, dual-core would be nice - but if it really affects battery life like some people claim, then I'm totally happy without that.

Re: Why do people say MeeGo is dead?
 

sick and tired of smartphone war anyway.

I just readed about upcoming S40 devices and realised also those ****ing rumors about upcoming Meltemi devices is plain wrong.

Its only lowend S40 devices who doesnt even have Qt support. WTF!? So what the **** did happens to Nokias billion strategy and Qt?

Yes I know Qt is alive and kicking but no company is using it except some FOSS related companys like raspberry PI and some upcoming KDE tablet. I personally will buy both PI and KDE tablet but still its NOT enought...

Nokia just make me pissed. Also those Android fanboyish in this damn forum. You guys have to realise Android sucks also bigtime and Google is just another evilcompany like Microsoft.

I want Qt as an european alternative but right now its just TALK! TALK TALK TALK!!! but no devices using it :( Except some ****ing broken Symbian Belle **** devices. Only one good device is using Qt and that is N9 but whom will write apps for N9 in the long run when ashole company doesnt support it!?

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If you like your lumia. do what makes you happy mate. dont worry about people around you. I like the lumia as well but for me. The little things are important and there are things i dislike about the lumia. Do what makes you happy and if you beleive your device is the best in the world. It is-- because its yours. So dont worry.

The thing people need to realise is that you need to stop trying to step on other to make yourself happy and fill your ego. I say this for everyone. Me included. Android is not the best. Nor is meego, nor is windows phone. They are strong in their own right, windows phone is fast, android is customisable, meego is open and iphone is simple. You guys need to stop trying to fill your ego saying this one is best and this one is not(everyone).

if you guys are saying windows phone or nokia is so rubbish, why do you keep attacking it? Everyone knows you dont kick a dead dog,

peoples say microsoft is stupid, then why do you use hotmail then? Peoples say nokia is stupid, then why are you guys so interested in it? Do what makes you happy, share experiences. BuT dont take your ego of a holiday guys, it's getting childish now.

My systems is better bla bla bla rubbish... Does google give you a share of the profit?
Hmmm.....

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Any why do you think noone using Qt for new devices?

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It's because all people think they are better than average. Think they know better than others. Wars starting because of this so why not threads and posts in this forum ;)

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Another reason why MeeGo is dead:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lumia_900_fo...-news-4075.php

- and why Nokia isn't..

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Wars have a clear objective... Eg. To steal oil. but i mean we all are fans of things but i believe imo that when you defending something which has holes and are bad yet(you cannot stand up and say. Yes you are right. This does need improving) acting like a bigshot its stupid. I mean if hardcore fanboyism say google. Nokia or microsoft were adding somemoney why not. But people are getting on like ijustine and her apple fangirl trash. Which i enjoy every now and then