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mscion 2012-04-18 03:17
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
I wonder if someday the phrase "tragedy of nokian proportions" will be commonly used... I now think that it was hopeless. Nokia and Elop did not have a chance... Cheaper nokian phones were losing favor and apple/andriod juggernaut was too much for nokia to handle on the high (and low) end. Even if the N950 was released in a mature form it would not have made much difference. (although I would have been in ecxtasy!) Nokia tried to distniguish itself from competition by going with windows. Maybe they have some hope by integrating phone with windows 8 experience but I doubt they become the impact player they once were. I do hope they succeed though just to exist as another option and competion is good. Hopefully some manufacture will pick up where the n950 left off...

Zoxir 2012-04-18 03:26
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1193628)
I wonder if someday the phrase "tragedy of nokian proportions" will be commonly used...
I don't know about that but I am almost possitive that fail of Elop proportions will be commonly used in the bussiness world.

aironeous 2012-04-18 03:27
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1193546)
Honestly, the N9 is nothing special. It is slow and lags. The Lumia is better in that respect, much better. Nokia could just put ICS on all their N9s and Lumias and the sales would sky rocket. That's the truth, and obviously something is wrong with the strategy at Nokia. I'm not saying they should put ICS on their devices, but the prices must come down to make them competitive.
Your words do not match what reviewers worldwide have said about the N9 much less match what you just said yourself in the previous sentence.

Furthermore QT adoption like what was planned (pre Elop trojan horse) would have solved utterly and completely the lack of apps on both Symbian and Meego/N9. Any complaint you have about N9 speed not only is false compared to reviews of the N9 globally but the speed could be easily increased by overclocking. I'm sorry but your lag comment does not live up to majority opinion.

aironeous 2012-04-18 03:35
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1193595)
Open source doesn't make money. I believe in socialism too, but if you have to survive in capitalism, you better play by the rules of winner takes all. I know you are smarter than that.
Open source by definition is not designed to "make money" in and of itself. If you go open you are planning on making money on apps, added UI functionality, HW and new breakthroughs specific to your handset and services via your "ecosystem."

gerbick 2012-04-18 03:49
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Specc, Lumiaman... in one thread.

http://gerbick.com/images/popcorn.gif

I don't have enough popcorn.

sony123 2012-04-18 03:51
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1193546)
Honestly, the N9 is nothing special. It is slow and lags. The Lumia is better in that respect, much better. Nokia could just put ICS on all their N9s and Lumias and the sales would sky rocket. That's the truth, and obviously something is wrong with the strategy at Nokia. I'm not saying they should put ICS on their devices, but the prices must come down to make them competitive.
Honestly, Android lags even worse considering the HW inside them. Every Nexus S I see so far has some lags when scrolling... but it still sells.

But yes, the only way for NOK to go forward is take loss and push the devices out until WP8/Meltemi are ready for prime time.

danramos 2012-04-18 06:31
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1193558)
The question here is the following: Does NOKIA and MS have something in the pipeline in the next 18 months that will turn their tide for NOKIA to become profitable.
Deja vu! Wasn't this exactly the same question/situation 18 months ago? ...And 18 months before that? :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1193628)
I wonder if someday the phrase "tragedy of nokian proportions" will be commonly used...
The funny thing is that I've already heard that phrase being used. heh... Nokia is already failing bad enough for it to mean that already but then they worked hard to earn this. It takes monumentally stupid choices to make the strongest cell phone company a rapid failure that fails geometrically faster day by day, month by month.

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Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1193630)
I don't know about that but I am almost possitive that fail of Elop proportions will be commonly used in the bussiness world.
I doubt that. Most people will react with, 'What's an elop?' Sorry--but most people have NO idea who is the CEO of what most people know as the cheap, plastic, convenience-store throw-away phone brand.

SamGan 2012-04-18 07:33
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
I don't know about the phrases "tragedy of Nokian proportion" or "failure of Elop proportion" entering the English language but there's a good chance that Elop will become a textbook case study in business school of how to bring down a healthy corporation in the fastest way possible.

danramos 2012-04-18 07:34
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
You folks MUST see this.. heh! Tech News Today talking about the Nokia Lumia 900's reception:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOPy9jNhEjc&t=33m58s

zimmerit 2012-04-18 13:18
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1193686)
I don't know about the phrases "tragedy of Nokian proportion" or "failure of Elop proportion" entering the English language but there's a good chance that Elop will become a textbook case study in business school of how to bring down a healthy corporation in the fastest way possible.
Nokia was everything but healthy corporation in 2010, but Flop was obiviously a disastrous choice for the stockholders..


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