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Please dont reply that joke. Makes me angry everytime I see lumiaman quotes. (He is in my ignore list)

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Read somewhere that Nokia's BoD and many of it's larger shareholders are also Microsoft shareholders. Tanking Nokia to boost Microsoft shares might actually be quite profitable.

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The wireless problem is specific to wireless N which my router is using.

See this thread
http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/...m/td-p/1189865

No i didn't use 30 min fetching only manual.
The lag isn't my only problems though, I just stated a few. The accounts issue was horrific, as well as my exchange syncing. 720p video playback was sketchy. Choppy browsing etc.

Anyway did not come in here to bash N9 but to point out misinofrmation that's being spread.

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I hope the door didn't hit you on your way out

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who cares if Samsung overtook Nokia. Nokia needs to focus on quality and service. Selling large numbers of outdated phones is nothing to brag about.

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I see Nokia stock has managed to ONLY go down three cents over the past week. Maybe it's finally stabilized to its new true price. 'Course, if it remains less than $5 per share for much longer, it's going to be under threat of being de-listed from the exchange and relegated to the penny stocks markets.

PROOF! You CAN reach your goals!
http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress....fail.png?w=640

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Its not so much as misinformation but different experiences in different...countries. The n9 owners in the Malaysia forums only have lag issues if its set to 30 min auto update. Other than one or 2 sim tray problem, smooth to use.
So far,(more than 10 yrs)nokia devices always work fine in call and internet connection.

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It also depends what you use as your standard for comparison. If the standard is another Nokia phone then you probably right that people feel no problems. But if you compare with iPhone or Lumia, the difference in smoothness and lagginess are as clear as.day and night. N9 is a nice try, and despite the fact that i like it and have several in my possession, it lacks the basics of modern UIs, smoothness, lack of stuttering and seamless transitions.

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and the coarse N9 UI, tells me that not enough time was put into perfecting fee necessary details. and it has nothing to do with Elop. N900 was released in 2009. Any forward thinking company would have had N9 on the drawing board by 2008, plenty of time to transition to a smooth device by 2011.

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It also depends what you use as your standard for comparison. If the standard is another Nokia phone then you probably right that people feel no problems. But if you compare with iPhone or Lumia, the difference in smoothness and lagginess are as clear as.day and night. N9 is a nice try, and despite the fact that i like it and have several in my possession, it lacks the basics of modern UIs, smoothness, lack of stuttering and seamless transitions.

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Swore to never write in cancer threads again, but...

lacks basics of modern UIs??????????????
ffs Lumiaman, if by modern you mean screens with icons from iPhone/droid... sure, but modern does not equal good in this sense.
N9 IS the modern UI, elegant, easy and quick. Forget the lower left back button of WP, this is a PITA to use. All thumb-controlled, you cannot get much user-friendlier than that.

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People are having legitimate complaints in every country and for each build (Chinese or Finnish) that I've seen so far.

Blaming it on a particular country... folly at best. I have a Chinese built Australian version N9 and I have an Finnish built Dubai N9. They both have lag when updating the messages (be it email, Twitter or news feed) and that's before I had used N9 Quick Tweak.

Lag exists. It's not as bad as some folks are saying, but it's there on certain tasks or certain things.

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I've found that lag is due to twitter caching so much. QAD Cleaner or cache cleaner makes a huge difference.

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The other poster was saying N9 is very laggy, as in super laggy. Plus most of the owners in this forum are from US, where n9 is not officially released. I noticed US owners here had the most problems,even some that I hv never heard or experience before in many yrs owning Nokia devices. I'm saying it could be certain settings. Or regular user who dunno that n9 does multitasking.

Sure there is lag but not like cannot load webpages or open apps for 5 min. If N9 performance they complain lagging,dunno what they will say abt n8 or c7 before Belle. Aft listening to so many ppl comments, lag is up to one's experience. I hv had friends with Samsung S2 who complain its lagging, which I find weird as S2 is dual core.

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Read these forums. It's not just US owners having probs. Read the (when you could actually still submit to it) error and bug reports.

Not solely from Americans owners either.

Point the finger as much as you wish based off of your incredibly limited exposure to N9 owners with issues; you are as myopic and disillusioned as the person you were commenting about.

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Pls take note it's in terms of percentage, where got I say it's solely US owners? From the polls in this forum, the US owners are either the highest number or 2nd highest. So, the higher percentage of those having problems will naturally be the US owners. I thought this is already naturally understood, at least in the other international forums I go to they do, perhaps they are used to Asian lingo of English

Pls dont think/get sensitive that we just simply shoot at US owners. That person got angry(in Asian context that's getting angry) when the other Msian replied. And make it sound like 95% of N9 owners have that long list of issues, aiyoo.

I do read the n9 section in Nokia Support Discussions regularly. And do actual market study on consumer products.

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I think in general most of the people who own an n9 and are on these forums are VERY forgiving....maybe it's just a love of open source, or the nostalgia of the n900 has still got them enchanted but this phone has MANY MANY problems. Lag is the least of the worries with it I think I've mentioned before.
These days I have no patience for products that don't 'just work' the n9 is one of those to me. I'm happy for those that haven't encountered problems, that's great to hear.
I do think it ironic when ppl on here hate on android then are all excited when ICS gets ported. Just get an android, it's the best...by far

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The N9 has some problems, however I think those are mostly the result of a lack of commitment from nokia. For example the update 1.1 as well as 1.2 introduced some really nasty bugs, which would not have happened if the developers had enough manpower to properly test their releases. IMO it clearly shows the n9 is not at the center of nokia's smartphone strategy right now.

I'm sure the developers working on N9 updates are doing a great job considering the situation they are in.

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wherever you may be, the reason Americans complain is because they are very discriminating consumers. They demand perfection. This demand for perfection led to rise of iPhone and Android. Nokia was abusing the third world with their inferior products for way too long. But the world likes American perfection, hence so many iphone and Android users all over the world. Now you understand.

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There's perfection and there's the illusion of perfection. What's better in your opinion a phone that does 5-6 things very well or a phone that will do anything you throw at it? Your igoldencage is still a cage and android is far from being perfect or else people wouldn't make a ****load of costum roms. So please please stop spamming and go eat at McDonalds and get a taste of american pefrection.

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why is Europe soooo in love with iPhones and androids?

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Because the mainstream buyer in Europe is the same dumbass the mainstream buyer in the states is and because there's nothing else they can buy.

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Bingo. That is what NOKIA needs to cater to, to make money. Not meego, weego, deeego, sheeego technologies.

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Pureview 808...another buggy phone made by NOKIA. When will they learn and turn everything to MS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDp8G...feature=relmfu

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I won't go so far

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That is a prototype!
And still it isn't avalible.
Yes give everything to MS even your cash in bank ans change logo from Nokia to Microsoft phone.

Sarcasm is set on

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I suspect the effects of going Microsoft appear to be getting worse.
http://www.motifake.com/image/demoti...1220423870.jpg

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triple lol

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i have a question. What will happen to Maemo.org and repos if Nokia becomes bankrupt or another company buys them ? Will they close them all ? Thats the only thing worrying me.

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Nokia won't become bankrupt. It's very unlikely as they have large reserves and an extensive patent portfolio.

Anyway sidenews, QT will live on Blackberry 10 so that's good news for all QT/C/C++ devs.

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The bad news is that it's yet another niche OS that will be on life support right off the bat...

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At least not dead yet ;)

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I'm sure there are plenty of Commodore 64, Amiga and Atari 8-bit/ST/STe/TT/Falcon enthusiasts who'll claim the same thing--but no sane person in this decade would buy one to run their business on it or as their primary system even for home. Rapidly, Maemo is headed that way and Blackberry and Palm will surely follow at this rate. Considering Windows mobile operating system is STILL slipping behind in market share even AFTER the Lumia 900 release, it doesn't look to be long for this world either.

Here's some recent and INTERNATIONAL perspective, for the people that keep claiming it's all the Americans' fault:
http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/noki...amsung-4857293

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Shego :D
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/pho...8-872-1482.jpg

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Depends how you define "yet". As in not yet dead, when sitting on the ocean floor with your feet firmly in a bucket of hard concrete. I guess MacGyver would find a way, but that doesn't really count.

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Despite the usual childish sarcasm, ranting, naysaying, moaning and dead-horse-beating, Microsoft is not going to just give up on Windows Phone without a fight. I just attended a small event where a rep talked about a 3 to 4 year push. They're in this for the long haul. I would not count them out or write them off, even if I was the most ardent enemy of the company and/or any of its products.

Some people let emotion get far too ahead of reason.

Disclaimer: I use an N9 daily and still wish that had been the chosen direction.

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Well, how should I define it... Nokia already declared Maemo/Harmattan dead. RIM didn't.

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You do know that saying "they're in this for the long haul" is beating the dead horse too. Anyway it depends who you are talking about Nokia or MS, MS may not give up without a fight but Nokia doesn't have 4 years and MS's fight is so far fruitless regardless of what their rep told you.

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Just because they've been irrelevant the past decade doesn't mean they've been counted out. All we're saying is that they've continued to remain irrelevant--more and more irrelevant as time moves on. Much like their tablet efforts, phone efforts, zune efforts, it'll continue to just linger on, continuing the perpetual fail machine.

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Bill Gates talks about new Windows software :)