Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Everything related to Maemo was pretty much spot on, whether we like to admit it or not, Apple made a great product that only has to evolve every year or so.

Nokia are chasing their tail at the moment.. they still continue to bring out and develop new phones that although mostly have excellent build quality, they lack something. They need to concentrate on just a few products and do it right.

The iPod was arguably the best invention of the last 10/15 years, it's what people associate with music now. Grouping it together with a phone was always going to be a winner.

What do Nokia give us in their phones? Some crumby music player that can't even achieve gapless playback.

It's the small details like that which means it will always come second to their competitors.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

The iPod was a really good invention, yes. The iPhone was brilliant too. But nokia did make some of the best mobile phones in their time. Right now it seems to be between android and iPhone. And Elop rules the roost at nokia.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

I agree, I retract what I said before. He updated his article at the bottom, and everything after his initial smartphone rant is basically spot on.

So no, I no longer think he was violated by Steve Jobs. My bad; good article.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

I have a slight urge to try out the Samsung Galaxy Note, but i'm afraid if i do, i may never own another Nokia phone again.

And it's true, Nokia made some great phones. But that was in a time where playing snake was impressive.


If Nokia could go back to the drawing board with Maemo and make some tweaks to the UI, deliver a class leading media player and give the device some proper cpu muscle they would win back some fans.

Although the N9 is a cool device, it just doesn't compare to the N900. And MeeGo just looks like a watered down Maemo.

The N9 should have been out back in 2010, and then the natural progression would be to go from MeeGo to Maemo.

The world is *** backwards sometimes..

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

@Faustino

I completely agree. A slightly smaller Note with an updated version of Maemo 5 is what the n9 should have been. The n900 still remains one of the coolest devices I own, but my Harmattan device is uninspiring.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

I was so excited for it too, remember the N9 anticipation threads on here last summer?

Even the N950 fails to get me curious, yeah great hardware, but the internals are outdated and the MeeGo UI doesn't seem to fit a device that shape as well as the Maemo UI would.

Surely Nokia should see the strong sales of the Note and realise people actually want devices like this.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Oh man, TMO took my entire life from me back then!! :)


(Happy days)

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

windows 7 devices can't be upgraded to windows 8. It's not confirmed yet, but if its true. It's a bigger blow to nokia and elops ecosystem than the -1,2 B EUR nokia presented for Q2.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

But here they say, they're testing it on Lumia 800.

P.S. sorry for the italian webside, but the link to the original post from there does'nt work atm.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Moving production to Asia and mass layoffs is not original at all.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Anybody can publish rumours. The website itself says it is a rumour.

Here's something more substantial.
Microsoft evangelist admits he misspoke regarding Windows Phone 8 updates

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Why I hate Elop:

I bought the N95 8GB (it was my first cell phone) and I loved it and watched all the Ipod and iphone guys that could not do what I can do. I shopped around on the internet and it had the most equipment in it.

Then I discovered the N810 and bought it. Boy I loved that thing. The nice big screen it was like a little mini computer and guys were hacking it, it was very enjoyable. I kept the N95 as the phone and the N810 as a tablet.

I ended up giving the N810 to my poor neighbor because I bought the N900 which was a phone. I really enjoyed that too but the screen was scratching and eventually the sim card reader failed I guess so I gave it to my friend who was just a temporary worker at the time as a wifi device. The N95 is sitting in my junk drawer.

When the N900 failed I bought the N8. I really liked it but the screen was small and by now I was really getting frustrated that Nokia keeps using slow processors and won't make the UI better on Symbian. I waited for Belle to come out but it was taking too long. I was hanging on every announcement by Symbian Foundation.
Then somewhere around this time period Elop makes the announcement that he is a Trojan Horse and now Symbian foundation is gone and Meego is also going to be barely tolerated as a once in a while side project. After watching all these videos on QT and getting all excited about future meego
products.
Well this made me really mad at this new guy. I was sure I hated him. So I got the LG G2x and gave my N8 to my friend and then he gave it to his girlfriend which later dumped him so now he no longer gets anything from me.
I really liked the LG G2x and used it for quite a while but then later the N9 gets announced as the last Meego device. I am in love with it and figure the community will keep it going even if Elop tries to destroy it and maybe later other manufacturers will see the N9 and N950 and make a similar device and meego will continue in the future and we will get a good device like an upgraded N950 in the future. But Elop kicks meego to the curb!! OMG now I really hate him.
Then a colleague at work wants me to marry her neice in the Philippines so we start talking on the internet and hit it off. I make plans to go spend 3 weeks with her and in the meantime my company lays me off but I already bought the N9 by having a girl in Denmark get it for me. It arrives right before my vacation so I end up giving the LG G2x to my girlfriend there (who later dumps me cuz I'm not Christian).

This is all coming from a manufacturing worker who only makes
+- 30k.
Then I start investigating China as the cause of my company laying me off and find they steal an enormous amount of technology from us and counterfeit an enormous amount of brands here and I find out Elop is moving production to Asia and laying off thousands. And he copies the N9 design for the windows phone and blocks the N9 from being sold here.

So now for sure I hate him. And then i keep looking at the sales and the carriers are boycotting him and he is firing the sales staff because of his destructive actions.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

If Chuck Norris would have been the CEO of Nokia, they would by now have owned the complete phone market, crushed Apple and Micro$oft into bankrupcy, taken over google and changed google into a bulk consumer appliances company.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Summary of your story: you are giving away (too many) gadgets. :D

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

You got lay off ? come to Asia & work. Lots of multinational companies have opened up factories over here. We can show you around :D:p

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Nokia will die with maemo, and maemo will die with nokia.

Its poetic.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Whatever, maemo on my hand, and its alive i dont care bout nokia things, yhey deserved it

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Let me tell you a little story too. Once upon a time there was this Nokia phone. This phone was so popular in the phone kingdom, things like the latest flash player, the latest VMWare, were all shown being tested on this magical device. It was even shown to run android apps as well as maemo ones. All the people in the phone kingdom lined up to get this magical Nokia phone. Then a wicked witch from the west cast a spell on this device and nobody in the phone kingdom with this magical phone got these things. Nobody in the kingdom was sure why. They all lived unhappily ever after.

The End

True story.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Can I help ya?

http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/lvnx...dofpopcorn.jpg

:D

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Apropos of nothing, I stumbled upon this phone store in a mall here in Jakarta the other day..

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...x/12040026.jpg


You've gotta wonder about the merits of a phone when retailers are offering it alongside another phone released three years earlier.. :rolleyes:

Photo taken with my luscious N9, btw :D

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

How much are they asking for a new N900??? If it's free with N9 purchase, count me in

EDIT: oh wait, lumia, still for 100$ it would be a steal, can ebay the bad one for more

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Shhh... stop that, or you'll end up convincing him to stop the petty behavior that comes along with the Windows brand name! I'd like to say that I find his namecalling creatively amusing, but it's not very creative and still doesn't beat out my favorite so far: Negatron Dan. Decepticons forever!! ;)

http://pleco.org/heh/Starscream-Snakes_On_A_Plane.jpg

I wouldn't accept that snarky little offer. As he already pointed out, too many low-quality knock-offs, plus far too few health and safety regulations and the pay is extremely low. Naw--you're better off getting whatever you can get in CA.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Wow, missed that part. As a taliban (I hope I'm in those ranks, greatest military Russian/US didn't manage to wipe them out of the face of earth... oh **** he has a point, Elop did fail as long as the community here is strong) I hope qgil was not promoting trolling by giving a job offer, just trying to silence one. Btw, could I get such a job by any chance? I LOVE lumias, they are silky-smooth, have great MS-Office compatibility and the price... is just right. Pretty please???

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

So in light of Nokia giving away many patents to mosaid so they can patent troll for Microhard and Nokia I'd like you to watch a TED talk about patent trolls and the destruction they cause and how this guy beat one.
http://www.ted.com/talks/drew_curtis...ent_troll.html

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Hardly applicable. Nokia did not patent generic internet services usage (email notifications - newsfeed - rss as is case in the video), neither are they trolling. Each closed source package on maemo is also not a oblong-rounded-touchscreen device Apple tried to patent and lost. We're talking about real development/programming man-hours put into developing working solutions.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Correct, but actually owning and using a Maemo/Meego device produced during the last couple of years does make it easier for you to be taken seriously. just saying.

Back to topic. Nokia is not on the brink of failure. Nokia is one failure after the other ever since the N95. Right now it's more a matter of saving what's left of value. This is also the upside, there's lots of valuable stuff within Nokia.

Should Nokia go with Android? No, not from a corporate point of view. However, since the alternative (WP) simply is not competitive - and Nokia/MS does not seem to be able to make it competitive, they should go for Android. And so on.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Couldn't agree more with you there. It funny how the idea of "pee-ing in your pants just to stay warm" seems more attractive these days.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Just accept it. You are all fringers here, the less than 5% outliers. Looking for something other than iPhone, just because it's different from iPhone. Nokia should not be listening to fringers here as you don't represent the mainstream. Maemo and meego didn't do well. It's a good phone for the fringers or Taliban, but most people shy away from it. WP will succeed with itinerations. MS just posted huge profit and they will keep pouring money into this project. And fringers can hope that down the line, when in better financial situation, Nokia will throw them some bone

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

american idiot lalalalalalalal

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Sure. That's exactly how i like my life to be. :D Going with the chosen few, being in control and making self-aware, informed decisions backed by my own, evolved set of standards, rather than belonging to the cloned 90%ers roaming the streets out there.

Life's harder (and more expensive, time-consuming) this way, but entirely more fulfilling. :cool:

Now, gimme a Psion to work with...

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

I absolutely love the fact that you talk about 5% outliers or "fringers" yet talk about WP so adamantly. You do know that WP is even less than that right? even less than 2%, so low in fact that it's not even listed anymore.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/25295...n_list_it.html

You too are a fringer and so much an outlier that simply owning a WP wasn't enough for you, so you decide to visit a maemo forum and talk about your WP to increase your outlier status. For the sake of this community please stop posting your hypocritical nonsense, nobody is falling for it.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Of course I am a fringer!!!! I know I can't speak for the
Mainstream. In biz you got to know what mainstream wants. Mainstream doesn't care about OS. They care about experience. Maemo fails there.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Taliban from Jakarta

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

I know this is futile but lets try one more time. You say maemo fails lets say I agree with you. You know that WP fails even more considered the billions spend on it and yet their share in the market is less than bada, considered that every WP phone made by any manufacturer has been a failure, considering that the selling point ms is trying to make is that hey apollo will be good. I know it wont change your mind but I had to try.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Always the dullness of the fool is the whetstone of the wits. -- William Shakespeare, "As You Like It"
-- Couldn't agree more today with /.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Yes? You have a question that I can answer?

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

Emphasis on Microsoft. You obviously did not read the Barnes and Noble situation when they got patent trolled by Microsoft
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/79179
http://www.networkworld.com/news/201...ft-252957.html

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

american idiot, so what? Huh? That greenday song's, blame them, :D

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

I blame Green Day for a lot of things... but never for the American Idiot tag. I've earned that title.

Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 

sing a song