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almamo 2012-04-22 14:24
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
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Reviews like this won't help Nokia (see attached picture). The Lumia 900 isn't seen as a special device - but should be one to have the success Nokia expects from it.

A nice design and LTE won't make it superior (for most people LTE doesn't matter anyways). Even though MS/Nokia hopes to sell lots of L900 with the deep price, it could have a negative side effect. A cheap price can also make a product look cheap or make people think it would be cheap quality. I'm really disappointed in how the L900 was brought to the market...or maybe it's just simply the phone which isn't good enough.

caa 2012-04-22 17:01
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by almamo (Post 1195873)
The Lumia 900 isn't seen as a special device
We know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by almamo (Post 1195873)
I'm really disappointed in how the L900 was brought to the market...
As are many people on this forum.

Quote:
Originally Posted by almamo (Post 1195873)
..or maybe it's just simply the phone which isn't good enough.
Quite.

Maybe it wasn't a great idea to decide to keep losing money on these handsets until the OS can be made to support the hardware and features that Nokia needs to add?

Or maybe the OS UI/UX isn't quite attractive enough, aesthetically or otherwise? Maybe that hasn't even been identified as a problem?

Or maybe people just don't like the idea of Windows on a mobile phone? Or maybe the next closest user experience to a "modernised alternative to Symbian" is what users wanted and that is not Windows phone (i.e. there is no familiarity or psychological migration or connection for old Nokia users to Windows phone)? Maybe Android is specifically targeted towards this market share and that is why they are currently more successful?

Or maybe Nokia should have only 'added' Windows phone as one of its platforms, to its product offering lineup, keeping its pre-existing strategy, and only fully migrated in future IF the OS is ready and has gained market share/mind share?

Maybe by the time Windows Phone 8 is released, the competition will have moved on and they will still be suffering the 'feature non-competitiveness' that is often picked-up on in reviews?

Maybe.

aironeous 2012-04-22 17:45
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If I knew Elop was going to destroy symbian after a nice UI update in the future I would have never started down the road of Nokia phones buying the N95 8gb and the N8 I would have probably done more research and looked for a Japanese phone or something like that that had a lot of equipment in it.

If I knew Elop was going to end the maemo line in the future right when it got to step 5 and went mainstream. I would have never bought the N810, the N900 and the N9.

If I knew ahead of time a MS trojan horse was going to take the steering wheel of Nokia because he wants to play monopoly with Microsoft and steal our step five design. I would have not considered Nokia at all.

I remember when Android was just an emulator and I downloaded it and was trying it out. I probably would have went that direction and probably will now that Elop has trashed the competing Nokia OS's in favor of a monopolistic driven software company. So I think Elop has achieved the exact opposite of what he claims to be aiming for in public.
Furthermore I really dislike that winblows 7 UI, it looks like a one home screen with big ugly tiles. I don't think I'll like windows late either except the parts that they stole from our maemo interface.
And I do not believe this "we like open source" is sincere http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/openn...ault.aspx#home

specc 2012-04-22 18:33
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Originally Posted by caa (Post 1195939)
Maybe by the time Windows Phone 8 is released, the competition will have moved on and they will still be suffering the 'feature non-competitiveness' that is often picked-up on in reviews?
Well, why don't Nokia/MS say SOMETHING about WP8 being available (or not) on the existing Lumias? I take this as a NO with 80 % probability.

Elop is not the problem. Elop is just a bi-product, a sort of inevitable waste or poo that drips from the Nokia Board, like sweat from the crotch of a dirty old drunk in a Finnish sauna.

danramos 2012-04-22 23:33
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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1195825)
Good point, word of mouth marketing does go a long way. Though Nokia's competitors might have worked on that (since over a year those Elop threads do not want to die and by complaining about Nokia's CEO decisions, hope not as vocally as is going on here, womm for Nokia sort of loses credibility)
From Facebook and Google+ reactions (from people I don't know but come across my postings), it looks to me as if there are a LOOOOT of very disappointed people who very much dislike Elop. So, yeah--it looks like it's just a vocal out on the general Internet as it is here, if I'm to go by social network standards.

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Originally Posted by Mize (Post 1195827)
LMAO!
Seriously?
Nokia abandons all current products, lays off thousands and announces they will use MS exclusively and you don't think that was news anyone but techies heard about? I own one business in the US and two in China and my employees on both continents sure heard about it. It made all the Chinese & US news outlets...ostrich much?
http://techrights.org/wp-content/upl...ing-people.jpg

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1195828)
I thought they already did that. I have a Lumia 800 in my hand as a result. It's a very nice device. And although it doesn't have a front facing camera, it looks and feels better than an iPod and an iPhone, and it's nothing like an n800. Did Nokia do something wrong? If so, is there anything else you would like me to tell the board? But I warn you, they have a habit of not listening to me.
You're asking a very good set of questions! I wish Nokia would ask PRECISELY those questions to the market and to all those increasing number of customers who are NO LONGER buying their products. It would appear they have a habit of not listening to a LOT of far wiser people, too.

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1195831)
He is spot on
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qqJ3Kn8kuT...Troll+Sign.jpg

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Originally Posted by specc (Post 1195982)
Well, why don't Nokia/MS say SOMETHING about WP8 being available (or not) on the existing Lumias? I take this as a NO with 80 % probability.

Elop is not the problem. Elop is just a bi-product, a sort of inevitable waste or poo that drips from the Nokia Board, like sweat from the crotch of a dirty old drunk in a Finnish sauna.
http://www.balloo.co.uk/wp-content/u...nking_Ship.jpg

danramos 2012-04-22 23:59
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...And Nokia decided to go Windows 8 for their new upcoming tablet. This is going to be a joy to watch as it nosedives RIGHT into the same junkpile the Zune ended up.

Windows 8 tablets: Not open for business
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking...-business/2261

From his Google+ comment about his article:
"You know, I really don't care for Windows 8 much, but as I explained in this story I did see it having one spot where it might shine: On business tablets where Active Directory (AD) support would make it a natural for Windows shops and for companies that are taking a jaundiced view of the whole "bring your own device" (BYOD) movement. Well, guess what MSFT isn't putting in its tablets? AD. "

"Amazing."

gerbick 2012-04-23 00:22
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Enterprise support on WP7 is somewhat lacking, now no AD on Win8?

Seriously dumb decisions being made right now.

Lumiaman 2012-04-23 00:24
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1196103)
Enterprise support on WP7 is somewhat lacking, now no AD on Win8?

Seriously dumb decisions being made right now.
How does it differ from iPad? Everything that comes to the market will be compared to iPad

gerbick 2012-04-23 00:30
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1196104)
How does it differ from iPad? Everything that comes to the market will be compared to iPad
Perhaps because Microsoft created Active Directory and Microsoft Exchange?

I mean... they (Microsoft) produce enterprise products and they're not there now. They're missing an entire sector, one that Blackberry pretty much still owns and iPads/iPhones now do support.

It's called sales opportunities. WP7 and Win8 tablet will need each and every advantage they can muster over the rapid selling iPhone/iPad.

Lumiaman 2012-04-23 00:32
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That will be a disaster if true. People use tablets in lieu of computers these days.

danramos 2012-04-23 00:44
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1196104)
How does it differ from iPad? Everything that comes to the market will be compared to iPad
How about simply "not better"? :)

Cue 2012-04-23 02:30
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1196103)
Enterprise support on WP7 is somewhat lacking, now no AD on Win8?

Seriously dumb decisions being made right now.
Sometimes I do wonder, is MS very stupid or very clever. On the one hand I think that their crippled products are a stupidly missed opportunity, on the other I think their crippled products are a calculated move. I've noticed that the things that they're not including are things that threaten their other products. They may be scared of cannibalizing their more lucrative and monopolized business of selling the more expensive laptop/desktop OS. Every feature that I've seen missing/crippled in their phones are features needed for a laptop/desktop replacement. Lack of HDMI out/docking, limited processing power, crippled Office app, no real multitasking no AD. It's as if they don't want to speed up the laptop/desktop replacement until Apple and Android threaten it enough. Sadly it's Nokia that is falling behind because of it.

danramos 2012-04-23 02:34
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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1196146)
Sometimes I do wonder, is MS very stupid or very clever. On the one hand I think that their crippled products are a stupidly missed opportunity, on the other I think their crippled products are a calculated move. I've noticed that the things that they're not including are things that threaten their other products. They may be scared of cannibalizing their more lucrative and monopolized business of selling the more expensive laptop/desktop OS. Every feature that I've seen missing/crippled in their phones are features needed for a laptop/desktop replacement. Lack of HDMI out/docking, limited processing power, crippled Office app, no real multitasking no AD. It's as if they don't want to speed up the laptop/desktop replacement until Apple and Android threaten it enough. Sadly it's Nokia that is falling behind because of it.
Let's also not forget artificial limitations like limiting the number of users that can connect to a remote desktop server, limiting how much RAM a 32-bit system can address (even though Linux 32-bit can address a LOT more RAM and a change of DLL's can make Windows 32-bit address FAR more RAM as well--so it's clearly a designed limitation, and so on and so on. :)

casketizer 2012-04-23 02:46
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I know many people atm see the full blown PCs as a dieing species, but I have to disagree. Even though I myself do most of my home computing tasks on a tablet now I would never want to live without a high powered PC at home. For the forseeable future there are just too many things a tablet can't do. Microsoft would be wiser to focus on their strengths on the desktop market instead of sinking billion after billion into unsuccessful attempts to gain a foothold into the mobile market.
Windows 7 had the genes to be the foundation for a near perfect desktop OS, and instead of using this potential they bastardize it with their metrosexual WP Gui. I have played with both Windows 8 previews and I find them totally unacceptable as a Desktop OS. If the finished W8 will really look like this and lack even a start menu, I and many others will stick with W7. Maybe we are really seeing the beginning of the end of M$.

Sorry for being somewhat off topic. ;)

casketizer 2012-04-23 02:50
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1196147)
Let's also not forget artificial limitations like limiting the number of users that can connect to a remote desktop server, limiting how much RAM a 32-bit system can address (even though Linux 32-bit can address a LOT more RAM and a change of DLL's can make Windows 32-bit address FAR more RAM as well--so it's clearly a designed limitation, and so on and so on. :)
The limitation of the 32bit Windows Client to 4GB was indeed a design choice. The reason stated for this was legacy 32bit drivers not being compatible. (Source : Windows Internals 5th ed.)

Faustino 2012-04-23 02:52
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
I mentioned this before and i'm still convinced this would be the way forward.

Imagine the N9 and the N950 were developed further. Better, bigger screens. Better battery. Top of the line dual or quad core processors and more RAM.

You buy your phone. You take it home. You unbox it.

You connect the USB from your phone to your computer. And Nokia Suite opens.

It asks you one simple question:

Choose your operating system

Android
Windows Phone
MeeGo

Each operating system will be made for the device and will work perfectly. How about that for an ecosystem?

You wanna try windows, you got it. You wanna make sense of Android.. there it is. MeeGo, it's there.

Puts the power of choice back with the consumer and we get to use it on the hardware we all want to use.

Not only that, but people who would normally have gone with Windows or Android would get that exposure to MeeGo that they normally wouldn't.

It would be win win for Nokia, Windows and the Linux community.

Cue 2012-04-23 03:01
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by casketizer (Post 1196148)
I know many people atm see the full blown PCs as a dieing species, but I have to disagree. Even though I myself do most of my home computing tasks on a tablet now I would never want to live without a high powered PC at home. For the forseeable future there are just too many things a tablet can't do. Microsoft would be wiser to focus on their strengths on the desktop market instead of sinking billion after billion into unsuccessful attempts to gain a foothold into the mobile market.
Windows 7 had the genes to be the foundation for a near perfect desktop OS, and instead of using this potential they bastardize it with their metrosexual WP Gui. I have played with both Windows 8 previews and I find them totally unacceptable as a Desktop OS. If the finished W8 will really look like this and lack even a start menu, I and many others will stick with W7. Maybe we are really seeing the beginning of the end of M$.

Sorry for being somewhat off topic. ;)
I foresee touchscreen tablets and phones replacing most laptops and eventually desktops. Not so much serious workstations or even gaming PCs, I think they will always be around, but most of them. MS are not the only ones who are adopting an unpopular touch friendly interface. Ubuntu are actually ahead of MS in adapting their OS UI for touch friendliness. Ubuntu's new Unity UI received the same backlash from those more familiar with regular Gnome. I too dislike it but it has its supporters too.

Cue 2012-04-23 03:06
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faustino (Post 1196151)
I mentioned this before and i'm still convinced this would be the way forward.

Imagine the N9 and the N950 were developed further. Better, bigger screens. Better battery. Top of the line dual or quad core processors and more RAM.

You buy your phone. You take it home. You unbox it.

You connect the USB from your phone to your computer. And Nokia Suite opens.

It asks you one simple question:

Choose your operating system

Android
Windows Phone
MeeGo

Each operating system will be made for the device and will work perfectly. How about that for an ecosystem?

You wanna try windows, you got it. You wanna make sense of Android.. there it is. MeeGo, it's there.

Puts the power of choice back with the consumer and we get to use it on the hardware we all want to use.

Not only that, but people who would normally have gone with Windows or Android would get that exposure to MeeGo that they normally wouldn't.

It would be win win for Nokia, Windows and the Linux community.
i.e a carriers worst nightmare.

casketizer 2012-04-23 03:09
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1196152)
I foresee touchscreen tablets and phones replacing most laptops and eventually desktops. Not so much serious workstations or even gaming PCs, I think they will always be around, but most of them. MS are not the only ones who are adopting an unpopular touch friendly interface. Ubuntu are actually ahead of MS in adapting their OS UI for touch friendliness. Ubuntu's new Unity UI received the same backlash from those more familiar with regular Gnome. I too dislike it but it has its supporters too.
In my experience most people that get a tablet and use it heavily still keep their PC around. This might change when tablets become more powerful and support higher storage capacity. But I don't see this happening anytime soon.

casketizer 2012-04-23 03:11
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1196153)
i.e a carriers worst nightmare.
Heh, exactly my thoughts on this post too. :)

Faustino 2012-04-23 03:12
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1196153)
i.e a carriers worst nightmare.
Why?

If each OS is supported properly it shouldn't make a difference. Calls and texts will always be charged the same way.

casketizer 2012-04-23 03:16
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Support Nightmare, and that times three.

Faustino 2012-04-23 03:18
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by casketizer (Post 1196159)
Support Nightmare, and that times three.
That could be said for any carrier who has Android & Windows Phone in their product range

Cue 2012-04-23 03:41
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faustino (Post 1196158)
Why?

If each OS is supported properly it shouldn't make a difference. Calls and texts will always be charged the same way.
Mainly because they would be giving complete control to the OS developers and users if there were no restrictions on what can be installed, they wouldn't like that one bit. Also,they would much rather you buy another handset or renew for their exclusive new phone with its new OS. They would also have to provide support/settings for all handset/OS combinations not just different handsets. The required planning/coordination with both the manufacturers and OS developers would also be a nightmare for the carriers.
I guess if the carriers could control what OS choices and updates you had the option of installing then we might get something like this but I very much doubt they would go through all this trouble for such a thing.

danramos 2012-04-23 03:44
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by casketizer (Post 1196150)
The limitation of the 32bit Windows Client to 4GB was indeed a design choice. The reason stated for this was legacy 32bit drivers not being compatible. (Source : Windows Internals 5th ed.)
Legacy 32-bit drivers for Windows (XP, Vista, 7), replaced by Windows 2008 32-bit drivers suddenly addressed FAR more than 4GB of RAM. Windows Internals was "technically" correct but ultimately giving the wrong impression, given replacing a single DLL fixes the problem.

Here's a good article write-up on PAE:
http://www.pallab.net/2009/12/30/ena...ndows-vista-7/

From the article:
"Microsoft claims that it is not their fault and is instead a limitation of the 32 bit architecture. At first glance this seems correct. 32 bit processor using 32 bit registers should be only able to address up to 4 GB of RAM (232 = 4G). However, this is not actually true. The main reason being a feature called Physical Address Extension (PAE).

PAE makes it possible to address more than 4 GB of memory using 32 bit registers, since the registers aren’t used to store the physical address. Instead, the registers store linear addresses, which are mapped to physical addresses using the page table. This feature has been available since the days of Intel Pentium Pro. In x86 processors additional address lines are provided so that up to 64 GB can be addressed when using the PAE mode. If you want to learn more about Windows memory addressing, go through Geoff Chappell’s notes.

Windows Vista and 7 have two kernels – one which doesn’t use PAE and one which does. They are NTOSKRNL.EXE and NTKRNLPA.EXE respectively. Both of them reside within the Windows/System32 directory. Can you guess which one you are using? If you have a modern machine, then chances are that Data Execution Prevention (DEP) is enabled in your system and in that case you are already using the kernel with PAE enabled."


And THIS is the company whose products and designs you want running on your phone? Heh.. no wonder why people are staying away.

casketizer 2012-04-23 03:52
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There are a lot of old drivers that make Windows 32bit with PAE and more than 4GB bluescreen. To my eternal disgrace I even wrote on of them for a company that used to be the leader in NICs but is now forgotten.
That is why MS limited it. Even the dll and loader hacks don't help you with those drivers.

Lumiaman 2012-04-23 12:32
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Apollo Nokia phones to be “amazing”

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/03/26/no...attan-updates/

Lumiaman 2012-04-23 12:46
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Lumia 800 on China Telecom bestseller list....Wow:

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/04/20/no...t-seller-list/

Lumiaman 2012-04-23 12:49
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And here is a reason why Windows phones may succeed in the US. Carriers want competition to iphone:

http://www.marke****ch.com/video/***...2-EEF903948C2E

casketizer 2012-04-23 12:53
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Edit not working for you?

don_falcone 2012-04-23 13:10
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by casketizer (Post 1196155)
In my experience most people that get a tablet and use it heavily still keep their PC around. This might change when tablets become more powerful and support higher storage capacity. But I don't see this happening anytime soon.
One of the nice things about my big tower is that i can actually rest both my arms on my desk while playing for 4hrs or doing other stuff. Try that with a touchscreen-enabled application, or motion sensitive controllers (a la Kinect).
Villeicht liegt's auch daran das ich einfach mit dem Scheiss nicht aufgewachsen bin, und niemals von mechanischen Tastaturen wechseln wuerde :D

Zoxir 2012-04-23 13:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Faustino (Post 1196151)
I mentioned this before and i'm still convinced this would be the way forward.

Imagine the N9 and the N950 were developed further. Better, bigger screens. Better battery. Top of the line dual or quad core processors and more RAM.

You buy your phone. You take it home. You unbox it.

You connect the USB from your phone to your computer. And Nokia Suite opens.

It asks you one simple question:

Choose your operating system

Android
Windows Phone
MeeGo

Each operating system will be made for the device and will work perfectly. How about that for an ecosystem?

You wanna try windows, you got it. You wanna make sense of Android.. there it is. MeeGo, it's there.

Puts the power of choice back with the consumer and we get to use it on the hardware we all want to use.

Not only that, but people who would normally have gone with Windows or Android would get that exposure to MeeGo that they normally wouldn't.

It would be win win for Nokia, Windows and the Linux community.
LoL dude as if MS would ever agree to that let alone the carriers

eaglehelang 2012-04-23 13:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1196087)
From Facebook and Google+ reactions (from people I don't know but come across my postings), it looks to me as if there are a LOOOOT of very disappointed people who very much dislike Elop. So, yeah--it looks like it's just a vocal out on the general Internet as it is here, if I'm to go by social network standards.

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Yup, pretty much the same experience here. Plus disappointed Lumia 800 owners(to a lesser extent L710), online & offline, especially if they are/were Nokia Symbian users. Along the lines of the Pakistan forumer who has bought both the N9 & L800, misses the N9(put in old phone model);)

specc 2012-04-23 19:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1196320)
Apollo Nokia phones to be “amazing”

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/03/26/no...attan-updates/
Yea, I have a friend that has a friend that has talked to some guy that said Android is amazing.

Seriously, what is that link supposed to prove?

Apollo won't even come to existing Lumias, so why bother? I thought the Lumia was supposed to be the new an great, but it turns out the Lumia is just a stop gap solution, more like Windows Me or whatever it was called.

I don't find the Lumia all that tempting, but if I'm getting one, at least I will be sure I get the real thing, not something that is obsolete in a few months.

So now Lumia is the new N9, scrapped even before most people know about it.

I remember the old days, back when smartphones were smart. I had three choices; WM, Palm and Symbian. Symbian was King. Palm was the smoothest and quickest. WM was, I don't know exactly, but it was something.

Today I also have three choices: Harmattan, Symbian and Android. Symbian still is king-ish on the right device. Harmattan is a bit undefinable, but OK. Android keeps getting better.

Tomorrow my three choices are: Android, Android and Android.

So while I make up my mind about which Android, I can watch Nokia go down the drain.

What is so great about Apollo? Or to rephrase, what is so bad about WP7?

switch-hitter 2012-04-23 19:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1196568)
Tomorrow my three choices are: Android, Android and Android.

So while I make up my mind about which Android, I can watch Nokia go down the drain.
I'm with you there, with MeeGo and Symbian gone Android becomes the best remaining option.

Thankfully, as you rightly say, it does keep getting better.

Zoxir 2012-04-23 20:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1196601)
I'm with you there, with MeeGo and Symbian gone Android becomes the best remaining option.

Thankfully, as you rightly say, it does keep getting better.
The least horrible one if you ask me.I hope for some cool boot to gecko or ubuntu devices but I'm not waiting for much.

mikecomputing 2012-04-23 21:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1196601)
I'm with you there, with MeeGo and Symbian gone Android becomes the best remaining option.

Thankfully, as you rightly say, it does keep getting better.
personally I dont trust microsoft, and I dont trust google. For me its simple: when my n9/n900 dies. I will not replace it until someone comes with an open pltform.

ireally dont get why people trust google?

Lumiaman 2012-04-23 21:18
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
I wouldnt trust google either. Never owned Android, never will, nothing appealing there for me.

specc 2012-04-23 21:42
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1196684)
I wouldnt trust google either. Never owned Android, never will, nothing appealing there for me.
You shouldn't trust Google. The only thing you should trust is that Samsung makes excellent Android phones. That is a fact. My Nexus S was OK, gave it away, miss it.

unknown.obvious 2012-04-23 21:48
Re: Nokia on the brink of failure
 
I really don't want say much in this thread but I share this with you:

First I read this:

http://www.wallstreet-online.de/nach...cility-vietnam

then I this:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/2...n-vietnam-who/

No offense, simply posting it.


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