Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

GoVoice is good for Google Voice. But the N9 has Gtalk video and QVDial works sometimes (I personally had issues with it)...

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

got that for the wife. for an unbeatable price of $0, with nokia giving a $100 for the data bug and 2yr upgrade.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

l900 has skype beta with video.

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That's what makes this even more fun on another level.
Nokia might just start out using people as Alpha testers seeing they can't beat the 'Beta' phones.
Still funny when Ice-T goes mad in the elevator :D

Regards Dousan...

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

Yeah, I got that. But it's decidedly beta.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

It's a gift for anyone with a launchpad account :p
It's not an upgrade nor a downgrade really, as a phone it beats all te devices I've used, quick for stuff like calls and texting.
The N900 may have offered more features but frankly, it sucked as a phone, choking when there's an incoming call.

The UI is well thought out really, best there is right now, it's not a standard looking OS but anyone I've handed the device to could explore it easily, whereas with the N950 I had to explain swiping.

As for what's under the hood, there's not much, multitasking is suspending and resuming the apps, it even says resuming at times even with the 1.4GHz CPU, probably due to an IO bottleneck.

For the average consumer it's a good device all in all, for most Maemo power users, it's probably something you'll not want to get.

BTW, WP7 is a strong comeback really, WM sucked a lot compared to it

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

The L900 is a good phone hardware-wise. Windows Phone is a good OS by itself. The thing is that Nokia already had Maemo and Meego and decided to drop them for this - and end (more or less) the run of the most versatile series made.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

This sums up my opinion about the Lumia 710/800/910, having had all 3.

For a power user it's no good. For the average user it's great.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

I'd say that's quite apparent already with Maemo/MeeGo, Symbian and webOS all biting the dust in an increasingly dumbed-down market.

I'll exclude Android from that particular criticism though because when it gets Ubuntu on board later this year I'm going to skip around like a little girl.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

please explain.

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I think he means the whole "you dock it and then it runs ubuntu"
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android

Neat thing, similar to our easydebian but I hope it can also be hacked to run without the dock, it would be neater :)

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

So like a Motorola Atrix then? That is one neat bag of tricks.

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Its a dumbed down market, what are you going to do? One things for sure, Apple found out before Nokia.

there is one app that list all of the 1000s of radio channel and another app that shows only the good channels picked from the 1000s of radio channels about the music you like. Which one will you pick? to put it differently Nokia's got the first app, iphone's got the second. thats why apple can charge $650 for a $180 dollar phone.

So if you want the first app, hopefully nokia still wants to satisfy you, the 1%, who is happy with app that show 1000s of channels of garbage, i mean online radio, for you to pick from so you can spend most of your time picking and it may even loose your favorites when you update. :D

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

So do hundred of android handsets plus the Iphone and Symbian phones. Hows the data connection on the L900 again????

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you kidding right.
EDIT: i got a $100 for that little glitch. None of those phones have Nokia HW except symbian. And where we at, Symbian Belle still lacks a fast browser. You dont see a Symbian Belle (any phone) Vs SGSII videos on youtube, Do you? There are L900 vs SGSII and L900 Vs Iphone 4s. go check it out.

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Not interested, i ve got an ubuntu machine.

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I know you did it's so nice though that the non beta device L900 has a bug like that on launch but the beta iphones and androids and the previous nokia smartphones don't. And how much did you pay for it in the first place and for how long will you have to pay for it? It's last years hardware at best and you will have to live with it for 2 years at least, that's a sweet deal you got for yourself. and in what aspect is nokia HW superior than their competitors?? I used to see Symbian vs other phones but then elop took a MS to the pocket and announced it will go WP so there is no value in reviewing a dead product.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

I believe many users in this forum do but the idea of this is sharing all resources without having to transfer any files or programs between machines :) you carry your computer in your pocket :)

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

Indeed, research done in the UK showed the demographic of iPhone users to be low-skill, low-pay, low standard of education. It's not that surprising a Fisher-Price like device is appealing to them.


Neither - I'd want to write my own app and install it on my own device without having to kiss the manufacturer's arse.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

sooo will you be developing for winOS now too? hehe :rolleyes:

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

The stuff he did on maemo...is doable on winphone?

i doubt it

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

It is your opinion. I think it is crazy to have multi-core smartphones (even quad core @ 1,5 GHz) without multitasking.

Practical fact : open a PDF reader in Android, change to other software, then sometimes the PDF reader reopens the document at the 1st page...

It is impressive how Apple, Google and Microsoft can change people minds so that dumbed down (mobile OS) are accepted without real multitasking, open Bluetooth, screenshot capability, USB, microSD, offline maps, etc.

I own a Asus Transformer TF-101, IMHO Android 3.x/4.x is indeed a dumbed down OS. Wasting good hardware.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

I´m still keeping mine in good condition:D

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

all nice & shiny, 'til the registry gets messed up
then, back to the shop, re-flashed including but not limited to loss of all your (recent) data & start from scratch, including buying all the apps all over again :D
have fun :p

if they don't get swiping right away, maybe they should stick with a NOKIA 1100?

pity the masses don't care, huh? :rolleyes:

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

Yet... a phone that has multi-tasking has hardware that was state of the art 2 years ago and yet lags occasionally. The N9's hardware is woefully behind the times by a generation.

Offline maps has been on Android for almost a year. If the "smarter" OS's are so great, why are they falling to the wayside and not being developed by the majority?

Solve that and you'll be able to do what the folks at Nokia cannot do - solve why Maemo didn't catch on like wildfire.

I own a Xoom. ICS, dual core Tegra... yet when I need to do what I need to do on a tablet, it does it well. It's doubtful that I'll ever create a PowerPoint presentation or full blown AS3 project on it.

But I can. Not bad for a "dumbed down" OS.

I can't do that on that aforementioned "smart" OS at this moment though.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

Mine met a sad ending... It was still going strong even after 4+ years, only had minimal signs of pocket wear on it and still have the box and goodies too, I kept it as back up with the N900. Gave it to my GF (now ex) when hers died, then she wrecked it within a week. :( There were strings of pixels bust from it being in her bag with other junk and the chrome came off the D-pad as she kept hitting her nails against it.

Such a sad way to go for a great phone. Made me remember why I should never lend people anything. :(

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

...especially not girls as they tend to do x-actly this: stuffing things in their purses/bags, and tossing devices/remotes/phones around.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

As someone said: strange that you need dual and more cores for
that.

I am not sure what the problem was on your N900.
I just did a smooth phone call on my N900 today via loudspeaker while I was looking something up on the web browser.
No lag, no stutter.
Of course you should pay attention that your internet connection shows a firm 3.5 .

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

Psion with Sibo (or Epoc 16) and Psion Epoc 32 have proper multitasking, great battery life, stable for years (my Revo+ completed 2 years without reboot). Take a look at their processors... Full multitasking is not related to the processor power, it is a design choice of the OS maker.

Sorry, it is not true. You have to choose the region/path to donwload manually and some time later the off line maps are erased. Why have you ommited this "detail" ? With Nokia Maps on Symbian/Maemo 5/MeeGo Harmattan I can download GB of country/continental maps.

I can't even trust Android "sequential" tasking for just reading long PDF texts and web sites in multiple tab/panels... while I can do it on N900 & N9 without problems.

I like good designed & engineered OS : EPOC was IMHO the best mobile OS in human history until now. Compared to it, iOS, Android, WP7 are a joke. Symbian is a lot worse than EPOC 32. Maemo/MeeGo are more open as they are full Linux mobile OS.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

My N900 froze 6-7 out of 10 calls i recieved. On the way up from my pocket or table etc. it went into landscape for a short second and just struggled to get back into portrait and it was here it froze and became unresponsive so lost the call.
This happend with a freshly flsshed phone, with it running powrr kernel set at 1150 and with power kernel(1150)/CSSU installed.
The N900 does alot of things great just not the phone call part.

Regards Dousan...

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

Stranger still.. I didn't say "need". Harmattan would benefit from that more than likely and less places where users perceive lag would be a good thing.

Search the forum. A lot was wrong with that thing as a phone. Answering it became a chore. It would get confused trying to rotate from portrait to landscape, lag and sometimes force me to miss a call if it were already on the 3rd or so ring.

Congrats? Many other people had issues. Just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

If you're on AT&T, N900 on 3.5 = impossible. It's EDGE and only EDGE. Faster if you're on wi-fi, not ideal while driving around on a cellular phone.

Again, you're overlooking the one thing I said rather clearly... the so-called best OS for multi-tasking simply doesn't have a lot to multi-task over/with, now does it?

As it stands, the N9 has great multi-tasking ability, an older chipset that has a couple of issues in some areas (small lag here and there) and no third party support so popular applications - popular to the mainstream not just to you and I - and we're stuck with a platform that can multi-task all damn day in a glorious manner, but it's doing nothing more than just juggling a few, good apps.

None of which will be commercially upgraded because Nokia doesn't care for the platform and we don't have access to the code.

Great platform indeed, sorely lacking support. That's my point. Not that one is better than the other - I really don't care to speak on that because that's all based on what you consider a workflow worthy of being considered the best.

And about the EPOC platform - way ahead of its time, way less code bloat than new platforms, planned in such a way it's still relevant a decade later, it was just done so damn well.

Sadly, I can't say the same for Harmattan despite really, really wanting to. In 3 years, it'll be too slow to do what I want due to the advancements in HTML5, Canvas, et al.

Oh... offline maps, on my tablet I have the mid-atlantic states and no issues. Not sure what you're talking about. It's pretty much the same experience as my N9 and Nokia Maps on my Lumia 900. Download the maps - or in Android's case, use the tablet version and I have access without wifi and it "works fine".

And pertaining PDF's and eBooks, I just resumed reading an eBook (epub) that I hadn't read since sometime last week - but was still running in the tasklist without going back to page 1. Again, not sure what you're talking about. But I don't use Adobe Acrobat, I tend to use FBReader - like I used to on my 770 and N810.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

For anybody complaining about lag on N900 : have you really tried to optimize it by installing Kernel Power v50 and Swappolube (for example) ?

It is very simple, just use the Application Manager and install 1 software for Kernel Power 50, another to have overclocking, other one for USB host mode ("Host Mode Enabler"/"hostmode-gui"). Kernel Power 50 increased my N900's battery life a lot : 2-3 days for me with SmartReflex on. You can even overclock @ 850 MHz with SmartReflex on.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

Been there, done that. Go back and read Dousan's account on the phone issues... I also had that same issue.

But... a great phone shouldn't have to have all of that - should come optimized out of the box, no?

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

Harmattan is not laggy and stuttering because its missing a dual core. It is doing this because 1 GB of RAM is not enough, and it uses swap space even before the memory is full.
A dual core wouldn't help with that.

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

iphone 4s has only 512Mb of RAM and smokes N9 with how silky smooth it is

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

Smooth as a baby's bottom, but slightly less functional.

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might well be your problem :mad:

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have had the maps for "off-line" navigation for a whole continent stored on my N900 for nearly two years... just 'cuz Google realized they had to offer the off-line as well to keep up with OVI-maps doesn't mean they invented it :rolleyes:

had to let your eyes rest for a whole week ear being able to tackle page 2, huh? ¦-)))))

Re: Nokia N900 to Nokia L900
 

with a terrible excuse of a multitasking... yeah... I can be smooth with even less than 512mb ram.

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