Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I am thinking about a commitee because I think there is more to good software development than what end users see with a first glance, but it was just brainstorming from zero base, it's not that I have something against what you proposed.

What I was trying to say, but obviously I didn't make it clear is this:
As it is -not- the scope of the competition to award devices to updates, maybe this activity (Qt5 on N9) could have some devices dedicated to successful porting of select apps from Qt4 to Qt5.

I agree that Qt5 shold be left out of the maemo.org coding competition

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I think these are the last postings on the community awards. Criteria to be agreed upon now to allow plenty of time for nominations, but winners to be selected under supervision of new council. Glad to have more discussion of it, but if not let's get it started.

http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...il/005223.html

http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...ay/005257.html

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

When you say 25 devices for Community Awards.. What do you mean by that? I'm in no way a dev.. But I would like to help out and maybe get a prize.. Is there a chance for me to do so?

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

25 people get 1 each of (N950? N9?) for being helpful to the Maemo community.

They're probably going to be nominated by fellow community members or something.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Yeah, I just went through the entire thread and read it all... But what I still don't get is how do I beta test if I don't currently have an N9? (Gave mine to my brother who's now in Jordan)... I do have an N900 though... Otherwise I am going to try my best to be active everywhere... I've been promoting Nokia verbally since forever, and I do get a lot of compliments for my N900 after I show it off and say what it can do... And just today I got someone really interested with the white Nokia N9 at my work... Actually all I had to do is introduce it to him and tell him all about it and showed him a picture of it... He went bananas!!! :)

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

@bandora

Community Awards is rather recognition of past deeds, not a way to make people sing hymns about Nokia's greatness for a upcoming month, just to get devices ;)

No one said it's last device program - do great things, and You might have chances in next summer. Why not?
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As for Community Awards, I would do that people interested in getting one just "nominate" themselves - this will save us any "bad blood" with people nominating others.

Personally, I think it's even unnecessary to write a motivation - people are well known for their deeds to Community, so there should be no problem with selecting people getting prizes. AFAIK, most Council candidates are very active, so next Council won't have a problem with giving proper recognition.
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As we already know about deciding body for community awards, maybe it's good time to open submissions? New Council will decide about winners, but there is no need to wait for new Council to actually *start* submitting, at least, if we really want to give long time for submissions, and let people receive devices in Summer, not Autumn ;)

/Estel

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I would LOVE to do some raw OpenGL ES stuff, maybe get a nice engine running (http://cubeengine.com/forum.php4?act...thread_id=2534).

Where do i apply?:) I was thinking of making a game, or maybe just to enhance the capabilities of Qt GameEnabler with some more frameworks, to ease media app development. (i also have my own media framework http://www.naprava.net/)

BTW I do already have an app in the store: http://store.ovi.com/content/196436

Thanks for this opportunity!

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Thank-you for organizing this QGil... ;)
Sorry I pestered you for mths about it, to the point of me getting angry when you flat-out said "No."
That was approx. 3mth ago, glad to hear it is in-fact happening now!
Pretty woeful no. of devices compared to what's happened for WP, but better than nothing!

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

So we have this thread for Qt5 & Nokia Store, & another for the Coding Competition.
Where's the thread for Community Awards, or hasn't it shifted from the mail-list yet?
According to the wiki entry it's still "coming soon"....

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

If you're struggling for a name, "Maemopalooza 2012" has a nice ring to it. Indeed Perry Farrell may well turn up if you ask him. He demands a boxfresh N950 though.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I suggested already to start collecting submissions, as there is no need to wait with *starting* it, until next Council arrive - after all, new Council is going to decide winners, not necessary open collecting submissions.

IMO; due to specific nature of Community Awards, it should be done with following rules:

1) self submissions only - it's not beauty contest. Submissions via mailing list - transparency.

2) submissions without reasoning - Community Awards are for things done already, and people deserving device well-known. I see no problem with Council mentioning recognized people's deeds, but I don't think it's necessary for submitting people to sing hymns about own deeds while submitting ;)

SD69, what about that? Considering that this activity is mostly organized by Council (but devices thanks to Nokia and qgil, it's up to You to decide, if we can start getting submissions now.

/Estel

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

If only someone would port Google Sky Map for Harmattan. I'd give over 9,000 votes for such kind developer..

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Doesn't this favor the extroverts compared to the introverts? Introverts are already in disadvantage since their contributions tend to be less self-evident.

(I know the world is not divided in extroverts and introverts - it's just to make a point here).

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I tend to agree with Bauer more on that point....
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...il/005223.html
But I can also kinda see what Estel's getting at...

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I think that's a very valid point here.

Furthermore, doesn't it give the spirit of a "Community Award" more away when the candidates are proposed by the community instead of by themselves? In the end, this is not about "who can scream loudest" but rather about who is respected and appreciated in the community.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Well

You can count me on...

My biggest interest is help The brave person who will port Frozen Bubble to N9/N950 like Rainisto did with Live-F1. Those are the two softwares i suggested for this list.

And, also developing MeeCast "add-on", which i named SaveCast and allready started working on... (SC collects information on the history of MeeCast of selected weather-station and more etc). Vlad allready know this "history-idea" but does not have time to implement.

I know there is very little change to us newbies get in to the top of the top of the top devs, who will always get those goodies but it does not matter.

Final words, N9 is not dead!

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Yeah, there are many guys working out the 'gears', providing new ways for others to enjoy and contribute. Even if they never log on talk.maemo, a submission 'This guy provided 46 -dev packages that are being used by everyone compiling ... since 6 months ago'. Giving those people new toys (even if they are unaware of the contest actually taking place, if they refuse to accept, nothing lost, next in line gets a chance) might be much healthier to the community than to biggest wallets (with second and 'owned' at the same time, nothing bad in having some extra cash, n9 owners will not be stopped from ebaying the extra 1 I hope)

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Hm, I was thinking, that it will also helps introverts - after all, if it's allowed to nominate someone else, introverts tend to wait until they get nominated by 3rd party. We've seen this happen with submitting as candidates for Council.

On the other hand, if only self-submissions are allowed, everyone know- from the very beginning - that either she/he submit, or is out of business. Maybe it's just me, but IMO it's easier approach for the shy contributors.

On the other hand, we're also saving situation of "please nominate me", or anger/disappointment, when certain people that we expect would nominate us, doesn't do so.

I think that self-nominating is more transparent and better at saving us any "bad blood".

/Estel

// Edit

Of course it's just my 2 cents - if majority thinks otherwise, I'm all ok with different approach.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

That's a very interesting point of view. I never thought of it that way. Maybe go with both options, self nomination and proposed nomination by third persons?

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I'm fine with starting to collect submissions now and let new council decide how to make the awards. I would permit both self-nominations as well as nominations of others while making it clear that the awards are based on the stated criteria and the manner of nomination has no effect on the award decision.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Is this where we nominate?
i'd like to nominate:
1. Aaporantalainen - he maintains MyPaint and actively ports games and other software for the community
2. rcolistete - he's been making helpful educational software for the community (integral, derivative, etc) and he's got a wonderful reason behind his efforts
3. creativetone - he stands as an inspiration and shows that the resistive screen of the N900 is indeed one of its biggest strengths through his fine works of art
4. Robbiethe1st - we can't deny that backupmenu is one of the most helpful software for a development device. it makes testing of new software really easy, even relatively inexperienced users can test software usability knowing that they have a full backup behind them.

these are some of my nominations, aside from the big names like pali, freemangordon, DocScrutinizer, MAG, etc. :)

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

^Some great ideas but...
Isn't one of the criteria of the Community Awards that devs aren't nominated?
That's for the 3 other categories etc.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

No one said devs cannot be nominated, but, indeed, criteria for choosing actual winners will be much different from coding categories. Probably, developing single or two - even extremely popular - programs won't be enough - it's rather about involvement in Community as a whole (so software projects count, but only as part of "score" - don't take "score" literally).

As for self-nominations and 3rd-party nominations at the same time - well, I suppose, that it will make shy ones wait until someone nominates them (most likely, to last moment) - but, I'm ok with it.

And no, this thread should *not* be hijacked for nominations. IMO, nominations should be made *only* via mailing list, which is both official way for such programs, and, honestly, more proper than thread on TMO, which tends to get bloated quickly.

/Estel

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Please check the descriptions at

New Apps @ Nokia Store
http://wiki.maemo.org/Summer%2712_De...40_Nokia_Store

Qt 5 Mobile Projects
http://wiki.maemo.org/Summer%2712_De...obile_Projects

and let me know if there is still something to be done before creating the new threads and starting these two activities.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

While supportive, I would rather that you did not carry out the actual application processes on t.m.o. with all the submissions and responses, etc. being on t.m.o. The topics are not squarely maemo topics and the volume of postings could get to be large. It seems they could be done at nokia.developer.com and at Qt Project. A general thread on t.m.o. promoting the projects is fine, as is one with ongoing discussions of those activities.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

?

One activity is about Harmattan community apps in the Nokia Store.

The other one is about Qt 5 community projects running in Qt 5 on top of Harmattan.

I thought it was general consensus that Harmattan & N9 had a place here? And since when volume of posts has been a problem in TMO?

Also, the main justification for these devices is to help maemo.org. Actually I'm counting on the comments & thanks of users in this community to decide who gets in... Of course I could try to pull users to Qt DevNet forum or Nokia Developer forum but...

(puzzled)

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I think it's to our benefit to keep the devices here than spread them over to nokia developer. It's not a big number of devices and a good motivation for this community. In fact they are barely enough for the people here who deserve them.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

well, the reason why i nominated them was because:
1. Aaporantalainen - though not making new software (sorry if you did, i didn't know any) he actively ports software for the community and the ones he ports are not high profile ones so they don't get much attention. I believe such efforts should be recognized.

2. rcolistete - he's a teacher and has been making helpful educational software for the community as an extension of his profession and in memory of his wife. Inspirational.

3. Creativetone (non-dev) - he stands as an inspiration and shows that the resistive screen of the N900 is indeed one of its biggest strengths through his fine works of art

4. Robbiethe1st - well, i nominated him purely because of his dev work so maybe his nomination can be moved. :)

I'll just wait for the official nominations to start. :)

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

This is so wrong, Aapo contributed both in Games section and dev at the same time. GCC 4.6? Countless lib*-dev packages (freepascal compiler, lua, libtcod, newest libsdl, libstdc++, things others wouldn't dare approach got 'releases' - quotation marks here just mean some releases stopped by Nokia autobuilder still got through in some way). He contributed in keeping maemo alive more than anyone I can think of. Not 1st popular app, not popular in certain minorities (yes, he compiles on pre-CSSU, so his crawl will cause enter problems to those), this guy deserves recognition (though he has a N950 :/ and the problem starts, most/best contributors already have one, what does qgil have in mind to award them), what would be the proper way of awarding such people? N9 is not gonna cut it I'm afraid. Official title? Invitation to next Nokia World? Something needs to be added if we exclude N950 owners from having 2k boost to their budget, offering a lousy 270 instead.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Well, let's not make this a bigger issue than it is. Just because some line can be drawn between a proposal and Harmattan doesn't mean there's nothing to be discussed. Didn't we use the wiki last time for device applications and is there some reason we can't use it again this time?

Since you mention it, how do you see porting community apps to the Nokia store or promoting Qt5 as helping maemo.org? Sure, device programs get attention but these two activities are focused on things a bit distant from maemo.org.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Mailing list for all kind of submissions on all categories. Please. Really, please!

It will save us from another unnecessary unproductive flamewar.

As for discussion about Aapo and who deserves device or not, or, what would be better suited as a prize - that is what I tried to save us from, by "self nominations only" rule :/

/Estel

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Hello,

I would to know how to participate to this "Summer'12 Device Program" ?

I have starting to coding a very important application for N9; and I'm interesting to have a N950 in order to accelerate my development.

The state of development of this project for N9 is at begining, but I wrote the same application for a device of my compagny (I'm linux embedded developer), and I just need to adapt the concept for Meego...

I can discuss about my application project, and his concept...
This application will be free, and GPL, and translation for English and French will be availlable.

Just if someone can explain me how to subscribe to this program ?

Thanks

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I think Coding Competition is a way to go for You:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83761

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I'd like to partecipate to the coding competition, how should I submit my application?
The wiki just links to this topic.
Is there some place with more info or I just have to wait?

Thanks

EDIT: Sorry, wrong topic. :p

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Being in the Southern hemisphere, I always feel a little hard-done by when the rest of the world refers to global events as "Summer '12", or any other northern season. Not that it really matters of course, but please think of use when coming up with new names ;)

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

@szopin, vetsin Thank you for your kind words. when looking my thanks-count I know I have done something correctly. And yes I have N950, but I'm not very excited of that because it is too closed. And when I hacked it little more open, my contributions can't be used by others [e.g http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4224 ]. I also got bored because there were no good way to distribute libraries (yes, I have pushed several libraries to the maemo extras :D). I'm afraid that N9 has every same faults than N950.

I have got Lumia 800 from Nokia, nice sentiment, but useless apparatus for developer/hacker [ https://aaporantalainen.wordpress.co...nux-developer/ ].

If Nokia is still hiring people to the Maemo-team, I would happily postpone my PhD for couple of months/years. (Is this too informal job application? :p)

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I think before I may have suggested to permit "+1"s for deciding community awards. Your comments have me reconsidering that. Perhaps we should permit others to provide reasons in support of a nomination so that the deciders of the awards can review the person's contributions - a simple "+1" indicates support but doesn't convey any meaningful information in that regard.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

I still think that submitting without reasoning is best way, as people deserving Communtiy awards are well known to the Council already. Now we have something like "Give device to someone, because he's painting nice pictures via mypaint" (no offense to creative tone, he can't influent if someone is submitting him or not...), c'mon...

/Estel

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

What about this for the Nokia Store & Qt 5 activities, then:

* Submissions to be made in a wiki page at wiki.maemo.org.
* Additional thread in talk.maemo.org Developer forum open for questions, feedback, announcements, etc.

Out of my mind, others might find more connections:

Apps @ Nokia Store

* All maemo.org users with N9 / N950 have the Nokia Store client installed.
* Moving to the Store packages spread in forum threads and similar help getting more potential users for those apps.
* Entries at the Nokia Store may make a reference to maemo.org and link to support threads here, bringing new users.
* Going through the Nokia Store QA might help some apps getting better quality / polishing.

Besides, the Nokia Store (Ovi Store before) has been always on-topic here. We had lengthy discussions when it was hard to publish for individuals. There was a thread open recently when there were problems in the app intake. All that seemed natural, and I feel this proposal fitting here equally well. Even if "Nokia Store" is in the title the central point are community developers found here.

Qt 5

* Porting Qt 4 community apps to Qt 5 puts the current community in a path for the future. Not only at Nokia, also among other platforms upgrading / updopting Qt.
* Power users in the short term and perhaps regular maemo.org users in the future may also benefit from good Qt 5 support in the N9 / N950. In practice this could mean more & fresh apps coming in the future.
* Increasing the awareness of maemo.org and this cool forum full of potential betatesters among Qt developers can't be bad either. The regular maemo.org developers are aware of Qt Project and Qt DevNet but the other way around is less clear at this point. For instance, most QtonPi participants have probably never registered here.

Re: Summer'12 Device Program
 

Alright, let's say that Nokia Store & Qt 5 activities are ready to start. The Code Competition is getting there. The Community Awards have a new council to decide upon (anybody volunteering a description in the wiki page?).

Can we aim to have a joint announcement of all activities? Next week? A blog post that all of us can link, RT, etc would be nice. What do you think?