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reinob 2012-07-24 07:20
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1241876)
I have this idea about "Smart sync" to optimize that a little bit. Something like sync your whole address book once a day, and every hour sync just confirmed Whatsapp users (so people's status would be refreshed every hour). Maybe code a GUI to configure it even more. There are some people that just don't care about people's status and could turn that off or set it like once a day or something like that.

Other people just LOVE reading people's status like every minute and would love to sync even more often than an hour. That's why the option "Sync Now" was added, for those status freaks :)
Nice idea Scorpius. Although I'm (still) a very passive user of Yappari, I find version 0.0.17 to be just fine for my purposes.

Regarding the smart sync: now with 0.0.17 I've discovered that some of my "inactive" contacts (stored just for reference but not "friends" as such) actually use Whatsapp (or Yappari, who knows :)

I'd like to have full sync when starting Yappari (or every 24h, because I keep it always open), and then a selective sync every X hours or on-demand.

The selective sync would allow me to mark confirmed contacts with whom I expect to actually have contact, i.e. those from whom I might be interested in having an updates status of.

Keep up the good work!

PS: I guess I'm a very passive user, but I haven't noticed any lags or undue memory consumption with this release.

llucax 2012-07-24 07:20
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1241876)
I have this idea about "Smart sync" to optimize that a little bit. Something like sync your whole address book once a day, and every hour sync just confirmed Whatsapp users (so people's status would be refreshed every hour). Maybe code a GUI to configure it even more. There are some people that just don't care about people's status and could turn that off or set it like once a day or something like that.
that would be great, I was about to suggest almost the same, I care about bw and battery usage and I can care less about people's statuses. If it were for me, I could live with just manual sync, or maybe automatic updates once a week in case I added some contacts and forgot to sync manually.

Scorpius 2012-07-24 07:29
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
reinob I also was suprised when I sync'd my contacts. I would expected it from my close friends, but what amazed me is that people from work and customers with very high positions in several companies use it. I think it's replacing Blackberry Messenger, which is very used in my country in corporations.

Also I found that around 98% of my contacts use Whatsapp, even older people that I wouldn't even imagined they knew how to use a cell phone...

tonypower88 2012-07-24 08:43
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1241954)
I also use OpenSSH-server and it never closes when I click Create Chat. I have around 100 contacts though. How many contacts do you have approx?
I have 167 contacts

Scorpius 2012-07-24 09:06
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonypower88 (Post 1242082)
I have 167 contacts
Can you run Yappari manually (type in terminal: /usr/bin/Yappari) and then click on Create Chat and paste me the last few lines? Because it's very weird that it crashes like that.

malkavian 2012-07-24 09:07
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242030)
Very weird you don't know this: Even if you haven't heard of somebody who has paid for Whatsapp service (you must be surrounded of linux/opensource people), it already has sold millions of dollars. MILLIONS. *MILLIONS* (read it again).
Yes i have a lot of "free (as in freedom) software" contacts but most of them don't use whatsapp. The friends who use it don't care if the Android of his phones is GNU/linux or whatever and none of them paid anything yet (some of them won't do because they refuse to pay a cent for a service worse than others free).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242030)
It was the top selling application in several countries with revenues even bigger than Angry Birds! YES: PEOPLE PAID FOR IT.

There are 2 billion of Whatsapp messages PER DAY, Whatsapp Inc never reveals the number of users
You can download a list of all users and their status. Whoever cans without needing to be a whatsapp user. In Spain at 2012 February the 9th there was 9.832.654 users.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242030)
In conclusion, they don't need to sell your number to anyone. They are already millionaires.
Their cost must be high too. They accepted some investors so maybe they are not rich yet. One of them gave whatsapp 8 million dolars:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/08/seq...tsapp-funding/

Facebook makes tons of money in ads but they also give your data to facebook apps.

Scorpius 2012-07-24 09:21
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
"Security by Default" queried all Spanish numbers, it's not like you can download a user list. It's not the same.

But it's safe to say that 1/4 of your WHOLE country uses Whatsapp, and the smartphone penetration of your country is like 44%. That means about half of the people that have a smartphone in your country uses Whatsapp.

And that's just your country. Actually more than half of the people in the world that have a smartphone uses Whatsapp. A lot of people have paid. Maybe spanish people don't like to pay, but a lot of people paid.

I know you're afraid to query, but I bet you: +90% of your (mobile) contacts use Whatsapp.

And yeah this is turning a little bit off topic here.

SNEEZER 2012-07-24 09:34
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242053)
Acurus_ like somebody said before, registration is broken in 0.0.17. You have to install 0.0.16, register, and then upgrade to 0.0.17.
If registration is broken in 0.0.17, where can i get the 0.0.16 deb file?
The download link of 0.0.16 is failed in the first post, it shown 404 not found

Scorpius 2012-07-24 10:06
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
The 0.0.16 link in the first post works for me...

tonypower88 2012-07-24 10:08
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242096)
Can you run Yappari manually (type in terminal: /usr/bin/Yappari) and then click on Create Chat and paste me the last few lines? Because it's very weird that it crashes like that.
it crashes only if sync is not finished ( only few seconds after being logged in during synchroization ) so I have to wait

reinob 2012-07-24 10:39
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonypower88 (Post 1242126)
it crashes only if sync is not finished ( only few seconds after being logged in during synchroization ) so I have to wait
Still, could you do what Scorpius asked you to do? This way he might be able to fix the bug, if there is one.

Acurus_ 2012-07-24 12:04
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242124)
The 0.0.16 link in the first post works for me...
No, it do not work: "File not found". Can you check it again, please?

figaro 2012-07-24 12:49
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acurus_ (Post 1242179)
No, it do not work: "File not found". Can you check it again, please?
Works for me. If you can wait until tomorrow, I might be able to upload it elsewhere for you

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242109)
And yeah this is turning a little bit off topic here.
Dude, I think it'd be better if you just ignore any off topic posts here or else it'll never end and this thread will be full of unnecessary posts

Dalmo73 2012-07-24 13:12
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
"too many registration attempts. please try later" this is my message when i try to sync."

does the server work well? or are only too many request?

malkavian 2012-07-24 13:17
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242109)
"Security by Default" queried all Spanish numbers, it's not like you can download a user list. It's not the same.
Well, yes, it is not exactly like a simple download, but you can get that list easily.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242109)
A lot of people have paid. Maybe spanish people don't like to pay, but a lot of people paid.
You misunderstood me. None of my friends paid because Whatsapp didn't ask them for pay yet. Does another countries android users paid already?

mlwane 2012-07-24 13:23
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acurus_ (Post 1242179)
No, it do not work: "File not found". Can you check it again, please?
Works fine with me too. Nevertheless, here is another link for 0.0.16:http://ubuntuone.com/4OF1BGdKBu9vvQN26FIgfB

Acurus_ 2012-07-24 15:46
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
That one is working. Thanks. But I cannot register. I get now, to many users ....

tonypower88 2012-07-24 16:26
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242096)
Can you run Yappari manually (type in terminal: /usr/bin/Yappari) and then click on Create Chat and paste me the last few lines? Because it's very weird that it crashes like that.
Code:
Network activated: ae4e4860-c301-43c8-b790-ff709ded604a
Chunk received
Processed chunk of 98 contacts
Chunk received
Processed chunk of 80 contacts
User has quit the application
Application destroyed
QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'roster.db' is still in use, all queries will cease to work.

Acurus_ 2012-07-24 17:32
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acurus_ (Post 1242268)
That one is working. Thanks. But I cannot register. I get now, to many users ....
I have istalled it again. Now I get a "protocoll error" when I am opening Yappari.

Scorpius 2012-07-24 17:43
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
tonypower88 that log says "User quit the application" that means you clicked on "Quit"...

Acurus_ you need to upload your log somewhere and give me the
link.

There's an awful lot of people getting that fail-too-many registration message, I think Whatsapp Inc is making an effort to block unofficial clients.

Acurus_ 2012-07-24 18:30
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Thanks for your advice. How to create a "log"?

Edit: Okay, I have the log and will upload it for you. You will get a message. Thanks.

Acurus_ 2012-07-24 19:13
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
I have seen, that there are a lot of private datas inside the log. Therefore I used the strong way: I uninstalled Yappari and removed every Yappari file from the N900, which has been left. Then I installed Yappari .16, again. Now I am at the point of trying to register and get the massage "Too many registration attemps. Please try again later."

Scorpius 2012-07-24 19:32
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
I needed the full log. Now it's too late. I needed to read what were the errors that you were getting *before* you got the "too many registration attempts".

Anyway if you're getting that error means that you'll be unable to register and you've been temporarily banned from Whatsapp. Some people say you'll get that for a whole month, though I haven't personally tested it.

needya 2012-07-24 20:01
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
wow i realy love all the updates man you r gr8 bt i have request plzzz hope the next update will be in smiley and sending multmedia pic and files plzzzzz waiting for your new update i just sign in this fourm to say a huge big thank you man :)

Scorpius 2012-07-24 20:09
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
You won't see any of that in the next update, sorry. The next update will be a decent release for contact synchronization and hopefully open chats persistence.

Remember we don't have a documentation of the Whatsapp protocol. Each feature, even if it's really silly, needs to be hacked and that takes a lot of time... It's not like "oh I run Wireshark and I can see how it's done", specially uploading multimedia pictures to servers, that's like the most secure thing Whatsapp has.

ginggs 2012-07-24 20:31
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242323)
There's an awful lot of people getting that fail-too-many registration message, I think Whatsapp Inc is making an effort to block unofficial clients.
Do you send a version string to the server like Wazapp?
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1238032

Scorpius 2012-07-24 20:35
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ginggs (Post 1242430)
Do you send a version string to the server like Wazapp?
Of course, but that's only sent during log in, not during registration, and I don't use that one. Yappari spoofes an iPhone, not a Symbian phone.

I have a STRONG feeling that the registration method Yappari uses (and maybe Wazapp) is now blocked and nobody else can register anymore. Time will tell...

EDIT: Actually I have made some tests myself and I think it's safe to say the Yappari registration is now blocked and no new users might be able to register anymore.

Anyway I knew this day would come. Eventually Yappari won't be able to log in anymore as well.

Stuxnet 2012-07-24 20:48
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242421)
You won't see any of that in the next update, sorry. The next update will be a decent release for contact synchronization and hopefully open chats persistence.

Remember we don't have a documentation of the Whatsapp protocol. Each feature, even if it's really silly, needs to be hacked and that takes a lot of time... It's not like "oh I run Wireshark and I can see how it's done", specially uploading multimedia pictures to servers, that's like the most secure thing Whatsapp has.
Hope in the next release you will include set "username" :)

ginggs 2012-07-24 21:36
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242431)
EDIT: Actually I have made some tests myself and I think it's safe to say the Yappari registration is now blocked and no new users might be able to register anymore.
:eek:

Do you think spoofing a Symbian phone might be a safer option?
AFAIK, iPhone users have to pay for WhatsApp up front on iTunes, whereas Symbian and Android users get to use WhatsApp free for a year, then only have to pay.

Perhaps they have been able to detect spoofing an iPhone as there have been registrations without corresponding purchases on iTunes. It may be harder to tell a real Symbian from a spoofed Symbian.

Acurus_ 2012-07-24 21:38
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
That are bad news.

Scorpius 2012-07-24 21:55
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ginggs (Post 1242458)
:eek:

Do you think spoofing a Symbian phone might be a safer option?
AFAIK, iPhone users have to pay for WhatsApp up front on iTunes, whereas Symbian and Android users get to use WhatsApp free for a year, then only have to pay.

Perhaps they have been able to detect spoofing an iPhone as there have been registrations without corresponding purchases on iTunes. It may be harder to tell a real Symbian from a spoofed Symbian.
I tried spoofing several other devices and with a new fresh number, IMEI and IP address I get fail-too-many in the first try to it's obvious they have changed something in the registration process since that forced update several days ago.

The reason I spoof iPhone is because the server pings the client and the connection is way more stable. If I set the device to Android or Symbian the client must ping the server and the server doesn't send a response (but if you don't ping you get disconnected)

gkhnkrts7 2012-07-24 22:40
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
One of my friends can't register too... When he try to register to yappari using the 0.0.17 version, he gets "too many registration" error.... But in 0.0.16 and the olders "the registration message was never received" what is the problem whit this???..

Scorpius 2012-07-24 22:43
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Without any log I can't tell what is wrong...

gkhnkrts7 2012-07-24 22:55
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Ok.. I'll send it... Hope he can use yappari like me too :)
thanks...

814d3 2012-07-24 23:32
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
@ Scorpius

Dude, I hope you don't quit development. You reached that much, it's awesome. I don't use Yappari that much, but I really appreciate your work.Maybe the registration problem isn't that hard - just consult your pillow. ;-)

zedosarabi 2012-07-25 02:41
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
hiiiii dear guys

i have problem on n900 about register yappari 0.17

which is when i put number phone without zero

and press on done

massage appear indicate registering

after 100 seconds another massage appear which is :

the verification sms was never received please try again

help me

TDSii 2012-07-25 02:47
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Scorpius

i already registered and whatsapp is working fine! what about other users? How can they register now? If you can't make yappari register, continuing development is a waste of your time.

May you please share your ideas about what will happen next.

Scorpius 2012-07-25 03:00
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
It seems new users can't register. They should try with 0.0.16 though but I think nobody else can register.

I don't know what will happen now, it was very hard to hack the registration the first time, and this time will be harder.

zedosarabi 2012-07-25 03:06
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpius (Post 1242553)
It seems new users can't register. They should try with 0.0.16 though but I think nobody else can register.

I don't know what will happen now, it was very hard to hack the registration the first time, and this time will be harder.

mmmmm ok what can i do now ???

plz there is important yappari working on my mobile

TDSii 2012-07-25 03:20
Re: [Announce] Yappari - A WhatsApp client for the N900 ONLY - v0.0.17
 
we all have faith in u. i guess u should now focus on hacking the new way before going further in development. and i hope it doesnt end up racing against them for new patches they introduce.

EDIT: something u might already know http://dishingtech.blogspot.com/2012...pc-doable.html


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