nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Some months ago, many sites told that nokia develop meltemi (lightweight linux) for their asha series (phones).

so, yesterday nokia released 305, 306, 311:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4jCM...hannel&list=UL - 305

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gInzI...hannel&list=UL - 306

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz3iE...hannel&list=UL - 311

what do you think tmo? are those devices on meltemi?

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

According to some leads, the operation system on these is S40 with swipe. But have to see the official info from Nokia to be sure.

At least the swipe ui is still in full swing :D

edit.

Some say it is s40 and some don´t mention it at all

http://www.intomobile.com/2012/06/05...5-306-and-311/

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

so, if it's s40, why nokia use 1ghz processor>?

hands on 311 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=Fsytx9kRuu0

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

When nokia overspecs their phone..people asked why...
When nokia underspecs their phone...people asked why too...

people...human..

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

I hope that is not Meltemi, cause it feels terrible, no fluidity whatsoever.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Operating System: Nokia OS

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...ions/Asha_311/

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

"The Nokia Asha 311 is a Series 40 Developer Platform 2.0 device with new full touch UI"

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Really? I would say these are smoothest 50-89 euros phones i have ever seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX4k0...eature=related

Though this is S40, not Meltemi without the doubt. Just following the already leaked manual back from early this year.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Why not? But the chip probably isn't that fast. it most likely is an ARM11 core. Cortex A8 is about 2 times as fast. Also the phone has 128 MB RAM. That is iPhone 3G kind of specs, just like the screen resolution: 240 x 400.
Very good for the price of the device, but these were present in hardware 4 years ago.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

nokia 305/306 are resistive multitouch according to nokia developper device specs
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...ions/Asha_306/

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

The OS doesn't look well optimized based on the videos. And what is the white curtain that comes from the top?

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Why would you say that?
In the video all seems to be rather smooth and fast. So I would say it is well optimized for the limited CPU and memory inside.
If the UI is a good fit for this form factor is a different story, and can't be judged based on the video I have seen.
The big question is how well the low-cost resistive screens functions, and if the relatively small screen is a problem for the UI interaction with this touch-only form-factor.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

no swipe to go back to homescreen , i wont call it nokia n9 swipe!

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

I've said it before, but if there ever was Linux based "Meltemi", it has surely be killed by Elop and Microsoft (and NSA) and those Ashas are with S40 based "Meltemi" = "Nokia OS".

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Windows Mobile -> Windows Phone
Symbian -> Nokia OS

Nokia even think like MS now. When your platform is dying, change the name.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Nokia OS is the well-established name for what's underneath the S40 UI. This is not a new name and it has nothing to do with Symbian. They did change the name for Symbian, though: It's now Nokia Belle.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Stupid me hoped Nokia 311 was a slimmed Harmattan runing Meltemi. Ofcourse I was wrong....

Now it seems Nokia has relased a phone with 1Ghz and not even QT support!? Qt next billion yeah right :(

The future seems to be as follows:

In september Nokia will release some tablets running W8 and a WP phone. I dont expect anything related to Qt comming from Nokia now.


All respect for the FOSS and the Maemo Coding competition and similar but in case of Nokia. Its over...

I just hope on Blackberry and KDE tablets or similar in the future.
Because Qt must STAY. Those beleive in only write apps in HTML5 are dreamers.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

sorry but no it isnt. 20-30% at best real life performance gain, and that only with heavy optimisation for a8

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Why not Symbian???
S60v5 is better than S40. Stupid decision!
Elop plans to kill Symbian... I Know...

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

311 is capacitive. Size is similar to 5800.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsytx9kRuu0

Meh, seriously nokia why do you still spend money on such crap?
Use belle fp2 for this, or meego/meltemi or whatever.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

I think the Asha 311 looks great. S40 is a very good OS, perfect for these phones.

As a note: The Asha 311 comes preloaded with Angry Birds (not that it matters), but what do matters is that the Lumia 610 can't download Angry Birds due to too little memory (only 256 compared with 512 for other WP phones). Wonder what Elop thinks about that :D

The Asha 311 Just gotta have one :)

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Because Symbian is considered as a smart phone OS and the (world record stupid) contract between Nokia and Microsoft forbids to use any other smart phone OS but WindowsPhone (WP).

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

You don't know that. Besides, S40 is every bit a smartphone OS as WP7 is a smartphone OS. The Asha series are all smartphones IMO, simple and single tasking, but smartphones nevertheless. Symbian is much more complex than S40. Putting Symbian on low end phones like the Asha makes no sense.

List of OS used by Nokia:

S30 -> Super low end
S40 -> Low end "feature" phones and Asha smartphones
Symbian S60 -> Low end smartphones
Symbian Belle (Nokia Belle) -> Smartphones
MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan -> Smartphones
WP7.X Tango -> Low mem and cheaper Smartphone
WP7X -> Smartphones


Soon the list will be:
S30 -> Super low end
S40 -> Low end "feature" phones and Asha smartphones
WP7.X Tango -> Low mem and cheaper Smartphone
WP7X -> Smartphones
WP8 -> (Hopefully) high end smartphones.


And finally:
S30 -> Super low end
S40 -> Low end "feature" phones and Asha smartphones
Android -> Smartphones

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

what about maemo?
it's mobile computing not smartphone

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

maemo converted to harmattan (maemo5(fremantle)=> maemo6 (meego harmattan)

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

no.. maemo 4 wasn't even a phone.
maemo 5 they added phone functionality but still not a phone
harmattan, is a cut down version of maemo5 and turned into a phone.
Maemo is not a phone OS, its mobile computing

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Isn't it obvious.(?)
Just observe what Nokia has done after the contract was signed.

Hopefully, or to Tizen, before Nokia is totally destroyed. In this rate it won't survive the MS-tragedy.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

You don't know that. I do know you are a Microsoft hate troll. This thread is about the new Asha phones not about how much Zimon or anyone else hates Microsoft or what their contract with Nokia entails.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

What is obvious is that Nokia is actually following their strategies. WP smartphones and the next billion. How the outcome will be is not obvious.

They do far too many stupid things. The Lumia 610 is being butchered in all reviews. The main reason is it can't run Angry birds. Silly reason, but a serious mistake. No one wants a smartphone that cannot run angry birds.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

I guess the lack of GPS makes it "legal" for Nokia without WP.

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_asha_311-4802.php
Microsoft-contract prolly also forbid to make it Qt-compatible.
Java support is good though, as it may allow easy porting of Android apps to Ashas, at least less demanding apps. But it can be other restriction, that no open 3rd party apps is allowed (which would make them smartphones)

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

How do you reach such a conclusion by looking at a spec list? GPS and qt will come when the OS/hw is ready for it. Maybe they don't bother until Meltemi is ready? That's my guess.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

This is ridiculous guys.

- It's not new OS, it's S40 under it all.

- Have you seen Symbian running on N8? Now imagine that Symbian on 1/3 of the specced device that costs 60 euros. That's why it's not running on Symbian. Hell, devices priced like this used to run S30 not long ago. That's one basic OS.

-These phones cost between 60-80 euros. Asha 303 costed 120e on it's release. That's why non of these have GPS chip inside.

Please tell me you guys are the same in. youtube who spam about illuminati. Use your brown thingie inside your head, don't go with the "crazy" flow long enough that you believe the story.


There's Meltemi still left. This is project clipper. Actually you should be happy. Nokia has now filled the very low end with this pretty nice looking super low end touch OS.
Meltemi just might be for higher end devices than thought before.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

This seems like an awesome first phone... I'm actually considering one of these for my youngest daughter. My older daughter got a samsung phone with a crappy feature phone os (can't recall what it is) -- this new Nokia looks much better.

Touchscreen, camera, games... what more does a kid need without spending a ton of money on a nice smart phone + data plan?

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

harmattan is not maemo6, it is a different distro that is partially based on maemo code
not the same thing people

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

i am 3rd time deleting what i wrote for sake of not insulting anyone by pointing to mistakes, so:
symbian is not renamed, it's name is not "nokia belle" belle is just modification of Symbian^3 (get device with belle, go to Settings>Phone>Phone management>About and read "This product is based on Symbian^3."
s60 is not Low End smartphones, s60 is variation of Symbian used on devices like Nokia N97 and n97 mini (if they were low end, then ok).

regards

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

While this may technically be correct, it is not true for Nokia marketing. Go to nokia.com and select "Products". You'll see "Nokia Lumia" and "Nokia Belle". They don't use the name Symbian any more except in the technical specifications.

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

yes, that's actually right what you said, but users are here to point those who don't know to truth, not to something what nokia want them to know, right? :)
tomorrow nobody will know what's eikon, what's psion, what's e32...
so...let's fight against genocide on EPOC operating system :)

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

I very much doubt microsoft has anything to say about what other Nokia products can, and cannot do.
The contract probably simply states that Nokia would exclusively use Microsoft software for any newly developed smartphones.
I don't think they would have strictly defined what a smartphone is, simply because these products change very quickly.
It all depends on what Nokia currently defines as a smartphone.

If all the competitors in the high-end feature phone market (phones in the 80 - 150 euro range) include GPS and application stores, Nokia probably can too, without using Microsoft software.
The fact that those devices are very similar to "smartphones" from a few years back is not relevant.
Nokia probably defines "smartphones" mostly by price.
Expensive phone = smartphone, as simple as that.

The simple reason not to include GPS is cost (hardware and software).

They didn't include Qt support probably because of the same reason. S40 is mostly java based, so the bundled applications for it will be in Java. Adding an additional framework just increases memory requirements and thus costs.

I haven't seen any indications that the contract with microsoft is more restrictive. (And if it is, that would be extremely unwise for Nokia because it might kill their featurephone business for no good reason, since microsoft doesn't care about those phones. )

Re: nokia NEW asha series 305, 306, 311 - meltemi?
 

Following next billion strategy!? Hmmm... Were is qt on lowend? Nothing so far...