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Dave999 2012-06-15 15:07
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Forget about meltimi, nokia and sad news. Focus on Euro12.

Ukraine vs France 1-3
England vs Sweden 1-2

ajwatt 2012-06-15 15:14
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Here's what happens when Microsoft buys a large corporation:
http://www.businessinsider.com/micro...-so-far-2011-5

TLDR: MS has a history of purchasing companies for large sums of money only to destroy all that value with mismanagement and incoherent strategy.

So if MS releases its own branded tablet on Monday (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/15/w...let-on-monday/), how does Nokia fit into those plans? Nokia has admitted before that they will be coming out with their own tablet.

Jedibeeftrix 2012-06-15 15:15
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1222031)
I Care cause it is used in Linux desktop and n9 and some proffesional applications.

and maybe microsoft also care about Qt in a bad way......
agreed.

a unixy phone sporting Qt and a swipe-style UI.........

BBOS10 next?

abill_uk 2012-06-15 15:19
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1222326)
Forget about meltimi, nokia and sad news. Focus on Euro12.

Ukraine vs France 1-3
England vs Sweden 1-2
Oh and don't forget the turmoil we will all go through especially in London with the dammm olympics haha.

abill_uk 2012-06-15 15:21
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajwatt (Post 1222328)
Here's what happens when Microsoft buys a large corporation:
http://www.businessinsider.com/micro...-so-far-2011-5

TLDR: MS has a history of purchasing companies for large sums of money only to destroy all that value with mismanagement and incoherent strategy.

So if MS releases its own branded tablet on Monday (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/15/w...let-on-monday/), how does Nokia fit into those plans? Nokia has admitted before that they will be coming out with their own tablet.
You forgot to add the most important factor in that everything they have bought out and consequently destroyed were in fact direct/indirect competition to them ;).

automagic68 2012-06-15 15:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1222326)
Forget about meltimi, nokia and sad news. Focus on Euro12.

Ukraine vs France 1-3
England vs Sweden 1-2
Nokia is a million times more important than futbol/soccer to me.

jalyst 2012-06-15 15:28
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1222125)
By whom I wonder? So far, each and every Linux mobile handset has been handled with reckless abandon and rather poorly.
It sounds like they may even want to get rid of or kill Qt entirely soon-ish...
Maybe they'll be dumb enough to sell to Samsung who may actually DO something with it?
But more likely they'll hold onto their proprietary Trolltech/Qt-related goodies & shelve em.
Plus w00t's already made a very good point that it still has a future with RIM & others.
Sure Nokia dropping out will have a big impact initially, but no doubt the slack will be quickly taken-up

Dave999 2012-06-15 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by automagic68 (Post 1222337)
Nokia is a million times more important than futbol/soccer to me.
That's sad. A million times?

Rauha 2012-06-15 15:36
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1222326)
Forget about meltimi, nokia and sad news. Focus on Euro12.

Ukraine vs France 1-3
England vs Sweden 1-2
Ukraine vs France 1-2
England vs Sweden 0 - 1 (Heja Sverige!)
Nokia vs Moody's 0 - Junk

rm42 2012-06-15 15:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1222338)
It sounds like they may even want to get rid of or kill Qt entirely soon-ish...
Maybe they'll be dumb enough to sell to Samsung who may actually DO something with it?
But more likely they'll hold onto their proprietary Trolltech/Qt-related goodies & shelve em.
I hope a community fork of Qt happens soon.

gerbick 2012-06-15 15:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 1222344)
I hope a community fork of Qt happens soon.
Given some responses in this thread, that needs to happen since that's incontestably more important to some folks than the OS mentioned in the current URL or the past name that included only the term "tablet".

Crashdamage 2012-06-15 15:59
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Qt will survive as long as KDE has a significant user base. Nokia will survive as either a division or puppet of M$. But RIM is already toast, another Palm.

Registered Linux user #266531. Android user since v1.0.

jalyst 2012-06-15 16:07
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by myname24 (Post 1222178)
No: It was not really Meego based. Base
system was OpenSUSE based + QT on top. At least the following Nokia sites
contributed to Meltemi: Brisbane, Boston,
Vancouver, Berlin, Ulm, Espoo, Oulu,
Tampere. Regards,
--> an anonymous Meltemi worker that
got told, that he will be fired soon
That doesn't sound right to me.....
First he's saying not MeeGo based, but then he goes on to describe it as MeeGo based:
"OpenSUSE based + QT on top"
All the hints/rumours we've had, have pointed towards a stripped-down cousin of M-H.
It just sounds like some random on the internetz venting his rage.

mikecomputing 2012-06-15 16:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 1222344)
I hope a community fork of Qt happens soon.
why fork a already fully ope source project???

jalyst 2012-06-15 16:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1222179)
If microsoft buying nokia, they wouldn't announce it before it happens.

More likely. http://www.thewrap.com/media/article...-insider-44271
Yup, that's the latest hot rumour apparently...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/15/w...let-on-monday/

rm42 2012-06-15 16:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1222359)
why fork a already fully ope source project???
Good point. I forgot Qt governance has been switched to the community already. Good thing.

http://qt-project.org/wiki/The_Qt_Governance_Model

jalyst 2012-06-15 16:37
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1222189)
1Q 2013, oh dear. Why reinvent the wheel for christ's sake? The N900 with 600mhz and 256mb ram was running perfectly fine.

N900 was released 2.5 years ago, how could they possibly **** that up. Beyond comprehension.
Um, maybe because the N900 come before (as) they started all their Qt retooling efforts.
They weren't reinventing the wheel with Meltemi, thankfully they didn't need to, it was heavily based around work they'd done for Qt/Harmattan.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ush (Post 1222202)
Elop did'nt kill maemo/meego/etc it was on life support before he joined Nokia,
No, MeeGo-Hatmattan/Qt wasn't for about 1yr before he arrived, actually.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=181
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=182
This^ :(

Dave999 2012-06-15 16:45
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I can report that Ukraine vs France 0-0. Great game so far no shoots on goal and no nokia commercial what so ever. Samsung is everywhere.

Rugoz 2012-06-15 16:56
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Quote:
Um, maybe because the N900 come before (as) they started all their Qt retooling efforts.
They weren't reinventing the wheel with Meltemi, thankfully they didn't need to, it was heavily based around work they'd done for Qt/Harmattan.
Sure, just saying, I guess they started meltemi around feb. 2011, so having the first phones ready in 1Q 2013 is again 2 years.
I know software dev. takes time, but still...


@abill_uk

Its difficult to believe that things were going so bad, I mean the N9 is a compelling product after all. Also besides selling the company to MS they could have tried Android, its not that shareholders are gonna get much for their money now, is it?

ok, back to football :)

jalyst 2012-06-15 16:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1222310)
You're new here, I guess you haven't familiarised yourself with abill_uk yet.
He had a long hiatus away, but it seems he's been allowed back recently ;)
He's harmless, means well, and always "amusing" to read his posts... :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1222377)
Sure, just saying, I guess they started meltemi around feb. 2011, so having the first phones ready in 1Q 2013 is again 2 years.
I know software dev. takes time, but still...
Assuming we can even take that person as a real dev...
To have it delivered by then is not bad at all in the scheme of things.
WP7x was almost covering the top of the low end, & was probably set to go a bit lower.
And Sonic Touch was starting to cover the bottom end very nicely.
The rumours were pointing to 1st announcement for Meltemi in Q4, so Q1 may make sense.

thedead1440 2012-06-15 17:02
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i'm missing Lumiaman on this thread...him and abill_uk are a deadly duo...

ibrakalifa 2012-06-15 17:06
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lumiaman become an admin jere, :D

jalyst 2012-06-15 17:07
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1222382)
i'm missing Lumiaman on this thread...him and abill_uk are a deadly duo...
Please dear God no.....

thedead1440 2012-06-15 17:08
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haha...in this time of sadness he must be rejoicing...Lumiaman where are you??????

automagic68 2012-06-15 17:15
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I'm gonna do my best to be positive, it ain't actually the end of Nokia yet. Nokia hasn't been bought by a competitor, Nokia hasn't filed bankruptcy and Nokia hasn't declared that they hate mobile Linux distros and will never develop one again. If any or all of those things happens then the puking uncontrollably will commence. I still think has a bright future just not anytime in the next 12 months. :cool:

jalyst 2012-06-15 17:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1222384)
Hey that's not a bad meta-site....
I didn't realise they cover other platforms, not ONLY WP...
Could be home for many of us in the future, once TMO's shelved :(
Maybe I'll become a serial pest for Lumiaman @WPCentral.
Karma's a *****..... :D

abyzthomas 2012-06-15 17:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by automagic68 (Post 1222289)
I really hope something positive comes of this. The Microsoft Nokia contract still has 3 years and 8 months left on it.
The best thing that could happen to the world now is a sudden death of Nokia. It will get rid off the last chance that M$ may push crappy Windows OS on phones to poor/stupid people. Smart people won't even look at WP, even if it is free.

With Nokia's death, WP will die. It is a good thing.

I think I am going to celebrate today!

Time for a beer while I play with my beautiful N9.

ibrakalifa 2012-06-15 17:22
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but still mo maemo or MeeGo, :(

thedead1440 2012-06-15 17:24
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1222396)
Hey that's not a bad meta-site.....
I didn't realise they cover other platforms, not ONLY WP...
Could be home for many of us in the future, once TMO's shelved :(
Maybe I'll become a serial pest for Lumiaman @WPCentral ;)
yup...its been around for quite somewhile...i used to follow crackberry.com, it then merged to cover other platforms...

they used to cover Nokia too under Nokia central or sth like that but 1+yr ago they shelved it as the viewership wasn't enough...

specc 2012-06-15 17:25
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Qt has existed for years, it's not going away. Besides, Nokia will be Nokia for a loooong time. MS purchasing Nokia is just FUD.

Relax, be happy :)

thedead1440 2012-06-15 17:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1222400)
Qt has existed for years, it's not going away. Besides, Nokia will be Nokia for a loooong time. MS purchasing Nokia is just FUD.

Relax, be happy :)
If Nokia gets purchased by M$ do you think there is a chance in hell a Linux-based platform will be put into phones by them or any open-source efforts will be committed?

The existence of Nokia is essential not only as a mobile Company but its the last European mobile company with values that have been eroded by Elop.

don_falcone 2012-06-15 17:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1222396)
Hey that's not a bad meta-site....
I didn't realise they cover other platforms, not ONLY WP...
Could be home for many of us in the future, once TMO's shelved :(
Maybe I'll become a serial pest for Lumiaman @WPCentral.
Karma's a *****..... :D
No friggin' way i will ever move for my news & community fix to a crap MobileNations member site.-> Unfortunately i can't get rid of my webOSNation account, because there's no possibility to delete it. Those guys, their interests, behavior, very US-centrictopics & talk & especially technical competence there s*ck ha*ry a*s, really.

Ken-Young 2012-06-15 17:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1222377)
[...]
I know software dev. takes time, but still...
[...]
Especially when you start over again every two years.

abyzthomas 2012-06-15 17:52
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1222400)
Qt has existed for years, it's not going away. Besides, Nokia will be Nokia for a loooong time. MS purchasing Nokia is just FUD.

Relax, be happy :)
MS will never purchase Nokia. They are there only for the patents. They will run down the value of the company and finally purchase the patents from Nokia. What is left will be sold to some unknown company and they will announce that they will continue supporting Nokia customers and continue to keep Nokia as a separate entity. We all believe it.

Warning to any company planning to collaborate/partner with Microsoft. They are the vultures of the IT world. They will kill your company within few years.

Novell, Microsoft partnership brought down Novell. By partnering with Microsoft, opensource crowd hated Novell. Microsoft acted like they were selling SuSE licenses to their customers. The only intention for Microsoft was to kill the Linux. They did a wonderful job by partnering with Novell and confusing and dividing the Linux community. The is the old divide and rule methodology used by the West for ages.

They are doing the same thing here. Nokia was very close with its N9 OS to be a very competitive Linux option. It is is a threat to M$. They know that like Apple desktop share increase after iPhone, a successful Linux mobile platform can really threaten the Windows desktop market. They don't really care about WP.

If you look at the various eFlop announcements, we will see that he also successfully confused the entire Linux community. We Linux lovers are all confused.

I am pretty sure, Microsoft will announce next week that they are the one who purchased the patents from Nokia for an undisclosed amount (<1B). Then in the next few weeks or months Nokia will be sold (for few million).

In our heart, we are all sad that a great opportunity to finally have an open Linux platform for mobile devices was killed by Microsoft. I loved Qt, I will be very sad if they kill also.

I am confident that no Microsoft or Nokia can stop us continuing to work hard to move forward with our dream. If they drop/kill Qt, I am sure someone will fork it and we will have what we need.

So, no worries. If not Nokia, someone else will come.

RIP NOKIA
***** Dividing People ****

Maybe in the future, we can just buy a mobile phone with no OS and can load our favorite Linux OS. SuSE or CentOS or what ever distribution.

Look at the bright side, then we will be able to fight which distribution is best on mobile phones. I am confident we will never stop. That is in our blood.

don_falcone 2012-06-15 17:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by abyzthomas (Post 1222416)
I am pretty sure, Microsoft will announce next week that they are the one who purchased the patents from Nokia for an undisclosed amount (<1B). Then in the next few weeks or months Nokia will be sold (for few million).
Nope.
http://www.businessinsider.com/micro...-tablet-2012-6
http://www.businessinsider.com/micro...a-party-2012-6
http://www.businessinsider.com/micro...killers-2012-6

specc 2012-06-15 18:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1222402)
If Nokia gets purchased by M$ do you think there is a chance in hell a Linux-based platform will be put into phones by them or any open-source efforts will be committed?

The existence of Nokia is essential not only as a mobile Company but its the last European mobile company with values that have been eroded by Elop.
MS is NOT going to purchase Nokia. It will never happen. It makea no sense.

Your problem is simply a problem of vanity. We have Tizen, we have Android, both are Linux to the core, just not your flavor.

Nokia and Linux have separated for good.

jalyst 2012-06-15 18:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken-Young (Post 1222412)
Especially when you start over again every two years.
That was the point made, they didn't with Meltemi...

Ken-Young 2012-06-15 18:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1222424)
[...]
We have Tizen, we have Android, both are Linux to the core, just not your flavor.
[...]
We have Tizen in the same sense that we had Meltemi. Secretive project. No devices yet.

MINKIN2 2012-06-15 18:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1222404)
No friggin' way i will ever move for my news & community fix to a crap MobileNations member site.-> Unfortunately i can't get rid of my webOSNation account, because there's no possibility to delete it. Those guys, their interests, behavior, very US-centrictopics & talk & especially technical competence there s*ck ha*ry a*s, really.
How true, but at least Ashley Esqueda makes WP news palatable. ;)

Dave999 2012-06-15 18:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken-Young (Post 1222426)
We have Tizen in the same sense that we had Meltemi. Secretive project. No devices yet.
Tizen is more than meltimi. Nokia never said anything about it,. Samsung have talked about tizen plus there are devdevices around. Big difference!


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