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jalyst 2012-06-15 18:10
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
I might be hanging out at the Tizen/B2G forums more regularly soon.....
Think I'll wait till there's actually devices before I start wasting my time though... ;)
I have some faint hope for RIM too, don't think it's fair to rule-them-out entirely just yet...
Still like iOS/Android, & to a lesser extent WP, but my 1st love is a full FOSS mobile stack (within reason ofc).
I want to see that dream FINALLY realised beyond serial experimental launches; ALA Nokia.

ibrakalifa 2012-06-15 18:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1222428)
Tizen is more than meltimi. Nokia never said anything about it,. Samsung have talked about tizen plus there are devdevices around. Big difference!
its ported to sgs2, :D

ombre 2012-06-15 20:14
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Well,
I see it in this way: someone has to take over, why not get organized around this community? I mean the momentum is here, everything is evolving, let's take over. I mean there are serious software people here and folks who have the right assets.

I am being serious.

mikecomputing 2012-06-15 20:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1222436)
Tizen is plain ridicilous.

If Samsung takes that damn Tizen serious why the **** do they bother add Android support? Anbd where is the damn devices!?

Tizen will never success they to damn scared going that direction. Tizen is just a way to scare Google a bit but it will NEVER be mainstream. Not even released for geeks. Just a few crapdevices.

Its just a ****ing hype to make geeks hope for something that never will appear.

Will you people NEVER LEARN from what we already has seen this years!?

Maemo4, Maemo5, Meego, WebOS and so on?

STOP DREAM. we will NEVER see a fully opensource platform.

Dave999 2012-06-15 20:35
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You are a dramaqueen. :D

Ken-Young 2012-06-15 20:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1222473)
[...]
Will you people NEVER LEARN from what we already has seen this years!?

Maemo4, Maemo5, Meego, WebOS and so on?

STOP DREAM. we will NEVER see a fully opensource platform.
If that's true, it's largely our own fault. Instead of coalescing around a single project, we fragment. If the Mer, Maemo, Meego, WebOS, SHR, NITDROID, qtMoko and CSSU groups all pooled their efforts on a single distribution for, say, the gta04, we might get a phone that we really controlled ourselves. Instead, what will probably happen is 1) The people who bought N900s and N9s because they looked cool, but who are not FOSS devotees will quickly leave. 2) New apps will stop showing up. 3) A year from now, all the effort will be centered on things *only* geeks care about, like getting Ubuntu to run on these phones.

mrsellout 2012-06-15 21:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ombre (Post 1222472)
Well,
I see it in this way: someone has to take over, why not get organized around this community? I mean the momentum is here, everything is evolving, let's take over. I mean there are serious software people here and folks who have the right assets.

I am being serious.
If the Vivaldi tablet is successful, then maybe there's scope for something to grow from there into other form factors.

Rauha 2012-06-15 21:24
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Insanity continues; Sweden England 2-3. :mad:

Now even football fails me this week. At least I, unlike Nokia, have a Plan B. It's called Denmark. Danmark, Tuborg og søde piger i Jylland. My heart goes to Meltemi people who were locked out of their source code and internal servers yesterday before the annoucement and to the Tre kronor. I'm also drunk and depressed at the moment. So pretty much all normal and regular for a finn.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ombre (Post 1222472)
Well,
I see it in this way: someone has to take over, why not get organized around this community? I mean the momentum is here, everything is evolving, let's take over. I mean there are serious software people here and folks who have the right assets.
You don't happen to have about 8,7 billion euros of spare cash lying around? If yes, let's take over. I can be the guy who makes you coffee. You like milk and/or sugar? If no, then we can continue being a Yet Another Cool and Geeky Open Source Community.

More seriously, it would be nice if we could somehow get Nokia to release closed and unreleased code from Maemo, Meego and Meltemi projects. They won't be using it, nor will be the corporation that will buyout Nokia before or after the bankruptcy. All that code will just rot away. Now is the time to get Nokia to release it before it's too late. Its going to be too late quite soon.

Maybe we could start stalking and begging Elop in front of his apartment in Katajanokka. Those two bodyguards currently tailing him due to lay offs might be a problem. Lets just say that we come in peace and take us to your leader.

MartinK 2012-06-15 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken-Young (Post 1222478)
If that's true, it's largely our own fault. Instead of coalescing around a single project, we fragment. If the Mer, Maemo, Meego, WebOS, SHR, NITDROID, qtMoko and CSSU groups all pooled their efforts on a single distribution for, say, the gta04, we might get a phone that we really controlled ourselves.
I have actually met one of the GTA04 developers on our conference. He had a GTA04 running Qt Moko or Debian with him. Looked quite nice & fast (finally!). There price (for +- improved N900 class hardware) is rather prohibitive though.

On the other hand, it has a magnetic compass, USB host out of the box, FM transmitter, 512MB RAM and built-in navigation board (pressure sensor, magnetometer, gyroscope, ...). Oh and tons of GPIO/SPI ports and a removable battery. :) And complete schematics + open drivers to about everything (there is a GPU blob).

Ken-Young 2012-06-15 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1222487)
I have actually met
[...]
On the other hand, it has a magnetic compass, USB host out of the box, FM transmitter, 512MB RAM and built-in navigation board (pressure sensor, magnetometer, gyroscope, ...). Oh and tons of GPIO/SPI ports and a removable battery. :) And complete schematics + open drivers to about everything (there is a GPU blob).
Yup, in many ways it is the Geek Dream phone. When they started talking about building their own successor to the Freerunner, I poo-poo'd the idea. I didn't think of the possibility of leveraging the Beagle Board. It was a very clever thing to do. Everyone who can afford to should buy one.

ajalkane 2012-06-15 22:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ombre (Post 1222472)
Well,
I see it in this way: someone has to take over, why not get organized around this community? I mean the momentum is here, everything is evolving, let's take over. I mean there are serious software people here and folks who have the right assets.

I am being serious.
The practical problems IMO are:

1) New hardware. This will require investment that's hard to get by only community like this.
2) Patents. You need to be one of the big boys to get in to the game at this point.

I'd love for this to be possible, but I'm afraid it requires some serious financial backing to be realistic. On the other hand, I'm just a layman without any real knowledge. This is just my impression.

MartinK 2012-06-15 22:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1222507)
1) New hardware. This will require investment that's hard to get by only community like this.
The above mentioned GTA04 developer mentioned in his talk that there are about 5 active people behind the project. :)

But on a serious note, they are a (small) company, are probably all hardware gurus with long time experience and they still had quite a few hardware issues to work through (according to the talk).

And another issue is price - small series production is the main reason GTA04 is so expensive.

Ken-Young 2012-06-15 22:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1222507)
The practical problems IMO are:

1) New hardware. This will require investment that's hard to get by only community like this.
2) Patents. You need to be one of the big boys to get in to the game at this point.

I'd love for this to be possible, but I'm afraid it requires some serious financial backing to be realistic. On the other hand, I'm just a layman without any real knowledge. This is just my impression.
That's what I thought. The idea that a bunch of guys would cook up a phone in their garage was just laughable to me. But I was wrong. The gta04 guys did it. They have no patent portfolio to protect themselves with, no money for things like FCC certification, no hope of getting the latest-and-greatest components, but by golly they made their own phone, and God bless 'um for having the nerve to do that. Golden Delicious might go out of business tomorrow, but you can be darn sure they won't abandon us to produce WP or Android phones.

ombre 2012-06-15 22:51
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Anyways no chances this will ever (unfortunately) leak: Nokia security has worked extremely hard to ensure no code leaks outside Nokia.
They closed all the development enviroments and wikis the morning the layoff happened even before the official announcements.

So, by now, most of the Meltemi code has been wiped away from the hard drives where was residing, end of story.

don_falcone 2012-06-15 22:54
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Was it you who posted this originally in almost the same wording on Tomi's blogpost?

automagic68 2012-06-15 22:56
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ombre (Post 1222524)
Anyways no chances this will ever (unfortunately) leak: Nokia security has worked extremely hard to ensure no code leaks outside Nokia.
They closed all the development enviroments and wikis the morning the layoff happened even before the official announcements.

So, by now, most of the Meltemi code has been wiped away from the hard drives where was residing, end of story.
Calm down, you know it's stored somewhere. They're gonna need to develop something to use once the Microsoft Nokia contract is over.

ombre 2012-06-15 23:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by automagic68 (Post 1222527)
Calm down, you know it's stored somewhere. They're gonna need to develop something to use once the Microsoft Nokia contract is over.
Haha, are you counting the days? Keep counting, but my guess is that we won't have no more Nokia by then.

marxian 2012-06-15 23:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by automagic68 (Post 1222527)
Calm down, you know it's stored somewhere. They're gonna need to develop something to use once the Microsoft Nokia contract is over.
Perhaps someone memorised it like The Book of Eli. :)

ombre 2012-06-15 23:11
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It will leak no need to worry.

gerbick 2012-06-15 23:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ombre (Post 1222538)
It will leak no need to worry.
Nothing has leaked so far, and folks have been disgruntled at Nokia for their Maemo decisions for years. This decision will mean that the Harmattan folks and Meltemi folks will be vocal in the end over this; nothing will be leaked.

Rugoz 2012-06-15 23:34
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http://aktuell.meinestadt.de/ulm/201...bsversammlung/

**** elop

gerbick 2012-06-15 23:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1222549)
Das ist alles auf Deutsche...

Rugoz 2012-06-15 23:48
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^

Well reporters talked to employees in ulm.

The engineers working at ulm are disappointed since they were very enthusiastic about the project they were working on (meltemi). Also people working there are from 30+ countries.

Member of management flew in with security guards (don't know name).

Elop sent a personal video message, where he said thank you etc., obviously the result was some laughter and boos.

One employee says he and many of his co-workers are convinced nokia will be dead (literally translated: go belly up) in a year or so.

Also from here:

http://www.swp.de/ulm/lokales/ulm_ne...158544,1501570

I left out the details...

Joseph9560 2012-06-16 00:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1222546)
Nothing has leaked so far, and folks have been disgruntled at Nokia for their Maemo decisions for years. This decision will mean that the Harmattan folks and Meltemi folks will be vocal in the end over this; nothing will be leaked.
Or maybe everybody were quite for two times (maemo and meego) but probably not for third time (meltemi)?

gerbick 2012-06-16 01:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph9560 (Post 1222561)
Or maybe everybody were quite for two times (maemo and meego) but probably not for third time (meltemi)?
I'd rather have Maemo leaked. It's more pertinent to my needs than Meltemi - no hardware released for that yet.

thedead1440 2012-06-16 04:44
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ombre is one of those being laid off. I hope he's right when he says it will leak.
the community could obviously use it for a better purpose...

Sandeep 2012-06-16 04:53
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Nokia to make cheaper Windows Phones to take on Android

Nokia to take on Android?? Are you kidding me??

ombre 2012-06-16 06:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph9560 (Post 1222561)
Or maybe everybody were quite for two times (maemo and meego) but probably not for third time (meltemi)?
We have a loads of angry people here around.

You need also really to think about how it all happened. One day you think about "tomorrow I'll do this and that", then somebody calls...

Anyways, believe it or not, this was unelegant, unprofessional, unpolite and really something that demonstrated (not that there was any need to demonstrate it further) complete lack of vision of Nokia.

I hope bright days will come, specially for qt, but far far far away from Nokia shores.

jalyst 2012-06-16 06:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ombre (Post 1222524)
They closed all the development enviroments and wikis the morning the layoff happened even before the official announcements.
Source for that?
I saw that mentioned in twitter by juha but he later recanted it, saying he was joking & didn't really know for sure, & neither did his source.
His source was The Register IIRC...
I mean it's likely they did something like that, but I don't know if we can say with 100% certainty yet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1222565)
I'd rather have Maemo leaked. It's more pertinent to my needs than Meltemi - no hardware released for that yet.
Yup Maemo5/6x far more important... & agreed, extremely unlikely anything will leak, tragically :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1222553)
^

Well reporters talked to employees in ulm.

The engineers working at ulm are disappointed since they were very enthusiastic about the project they were working on (meltemi). Also people working there are from 30+ countries.

Member of management flew in with security guards (don't know name).

Elop sent a personal video message, where he said thank you etc., obviously the result was some laughter and boos.

One employee says he and many of his co-workers are convinced nokia will be dead (literally translated: go belly up) in a year or so.

Also from here:

http://www.swp.de/ulm/lokales/ulm_ne...158544,1501570

I left out the details...
Farking hell, what a douche... Feel so sorry for all those guys/gals.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandeep (Post 1222586)
Nokia to make cheaper Windows Phones to take on Android

Nokia to take on Android?? Are you kidding me??
Yup, that's been pretty obvious for the past 48hrs now :(

thedead1440 2012-06-16 07:22
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jalyst you're asking the source for his source :p regarding the closures of wikis and dev environments

pycage 2012-06-16 09:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ombre (Post 1222531)
but my guess is that we won't have no more Nokia by then.
Now is the turning point from which on you can only wish for Nokia to go belly-up. This is an evil zombie, no longer the company we were once loyal to.
If Nokia continues to exist, it will only benefit Microsoft and that is IMHO a really bad thing for the sake of the mobile phone world.

I totally despise the new Nokia.
My sympathies are with Nokia's (former-)employees.

marxian 2012-06-16 09:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1222553)
Elop sent a personal video message, where he said thank you etc.
Reminds of that scene from Robocop, though the message itself was probably more like something from Mission Impossible: 'Project Meltemi will self-destruct in five seconds. Goodbye'.

user/zero 2012-06-16 10:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1222667)
I totally despise the new Nokia.
My sympathies are with Nokia's (former-)employees.
Nokia N9 & N950 - the last *true* Nokia phones...

benny1967 2012-06-16 10:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by user/zero (Post 1222681)
Nokia N9 & N950 - the last *true* Nokia phones...
the 808, actually. It came after the n9.

Dave999 2012-06-16 10:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1222553)
^

Well reporters talked to employees in ulm.

The engineers working at ulm are disappointed since they were very enthusiastic about the project they were working on (meltemi). Also people working there are from 30+ countries.

Member of management flew in with security guards (don't know name).

Elop sent a personal video message, where he said thank you etc., obviously the result was some laughter and boos.

One employee says he and many of his co-workers are convinced nokia will be dead (literally translated: go belly up) in a year or so.

Also from here:

http://www.swp.de/ulm/lokales/ulm_ne...158544,1501570

I left out the details...
I want that personal video message. anyone?

mikecomputing 2012-06-16 12:48
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Who cares about Nokia!

Some of the people behind Maemo are hopefully at:

http://summit.devaamo.fi/

lets hope those people and others start a new cool FOSS based company in european in the future.

Bye bye Nokia its over.

Dared 2012-06-16 13:25
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"Originally, Meltemi was developed in collaboration with subcontractor called Nomovok. In spring 2011, all subcontractor contracts were terminated. Meltemi development was continued in Oulu and part of the work was transferred to new location in Ulm,Germany (possibly because the termination of the Bochum plant was proved to be extremely expensive operation). If Nokia had continued to use subcontractors instead of moving the development to new people in new location, the Meltemi phone would have been ready last January. It is possible that McDowell got fired because she could not deliver the Meltemi phones in promised schedule.
Meanwhile, the Android phones have become cheaper and are now competing in the same price points the Meltemi phones were planned to operate, which could be a reason to cancel the Meltemi project. However, Elop has not admitted anything yet. It could be that the Meltemi work still continues in Oulu and the reason to close the Ulm was that they were just incompetent. Nokia still continues to develop QT and now that Symbian is buried, the only reason would be that there will be another QT compatible OS coming. I hope that Maemo/Linux work still continues, but I’m getting more doubtful all the time."

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/15/no...comment-594983

mikecomputing 2012-06-16 13:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dared (Post 1222753)
"Originally, Meltemi was developed in collaboration with subcontractor called Nomovok. In spring 2011, all subcontractor contracts were terminated. Meltemi development was continued in Oulu and part of the work was transferred to new location in Ulm,Germany (possibly because the termination of the Bochum plant was proved to be extremely expensive operation). If Nokia had continued to use subcontractors instead of moving the development to new people in new location, the Meltemi phone would have been ready last January. It is possible that McDowell got fired because she could not deliver the Meltemi phones in promised schedule.
Meanwhile, the Android phones have become cheaper and are now competing in the same price points the Meltemi phones were planned to operate, which could be a reason to cancel the Meltemi project. However, Elop has not admitted anything yet. It could be that the Meltemi work still continues in Oulu and the reason to close the Ulm was that they were just incompetent. Nokia still continues to develop QT and now that Symbian is buried, the only reason would be that there will be another QT compatible OS coming. I hope that Maemo/Linux work still continues, but I’m getting more doubtful all the time."

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/15/no...comment-594983

Ridicilous article that gives false hope on something that never will happen.

I guess the blogger havent seen the inteview with Eflop, where almost says Qt soon is dead for Nokia.

Dared 2012-06-16 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1222763)
Ridicilous article that gives false hope on something that never will happen.

I guess the blogger havent seen the inteview with Eflop, where almost says Qt soon is dead for Nokia.
It's not an article dude - it's a comment left by what looks to be a Nokia employee

mikecomputing 2012-06-16 14:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dared (Post 1222765)
It's not an article dude - it's a comment left by what looks to be a Nokia employee
yeye but still..


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