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This won't stop our community devs making Qt apps! It just means the end-users within us can get some more useful app thats missing from our N9's and are NOT going to make their way to our platform.

What good is a Qt based app if it cant perform the same as the original Android/iOS app due to copyrighted software..

Im all for Qt apps! But there are a few apps that I would like to have! Shazam, Android/iOS Facebook, Instagram, BBC iPlayer,Chrome Browser or Android Firefox!

They aren't coming to the N9 at all as its dead (commercially). I don't see a point being against this from happening now instead of having to wait for BB10 to make these commercial apps for a resolution that doesn't match our phone and won't have its source released so the porting to our N9 will be at the developers whim, meaning unlikely..

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If you keep telling everyone that does not agree with your statements or have any critics on your qt5 to go get another brand. Who the H3ll are you making your mobile apps for (if you even make any of them).

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You can't tell people to go get another phone just cause you don't like something, where the hell has qt gotten us? Nokia effectively killed any development through it by announcing the n9 as dead and with all the purple there firing and the tweet that said java is for the next billion what more can Nokia do to kill this already weak ecosystem

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i agree with m4r0v3r "Nokia" itself is trying to kill its own software development platform i.e Qt and meltemi because its a financial burden for them self... there is no next billion Qt devices, as they have gone all in with "WP" which dosen't use Qt as a dev environment.... just my 2 cents :D

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You are a funny man Benny. Let me ask you this. I hate android, I so hate android but I love Harmattan UI, I love it. I love all the unique features of Harmattan unfortunately I need a library of apps that I am really missing from my phone, but I don't like android phones see. Now this will let me keep my N9 and give a great selection of apps.

This weakening of the eco system you are talking about, when was the last time you made an app for the Nokia N9 that was really practical and useful. I have owned an N9 from day 1, however I am yet to see a single word processing app than can edit documents. And that is very sad because it is so basic. There hasnt been an ecosystem for a while (Being Impactful not in the literal sense). I dont remember the last time I bought an app from the Nokia store because I have no use for them. Dont get me wrong the document editor is the tip of the iceberg, if I wanted to list more apps needed for the N9 that neither you nor the eco system are working on I would probably go starving for days.

So this measly, unsupported, dying ecosystem that you have let it go for the greater good. Let me and a hell of a lot of other people
have the beautiful N9 and more mainstream apps. That is my view.

However it ain't happening, Nokia ain't buying no OEM, and Google is not going to let us use ACL. Maybe for true MeeGo devices but not for Harmattan.

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No MuziMak you dont make unrealistic comments but silly ones. Your first question on the thread the answer is once you emulate the architecture of a system, there is no need to port apps one by one, There is no need to port at all, the architecture is there,

Your second question on the thread why would Harmattan users want a library of Symbian apps when Android apps are greater in number. Also it would be Nokia's decision to let people port these apps onto the Harmattan system. Why do you think people cant even port N900 or Maemo 5 Fremantle apps onto Harmattan when they are similar? Nokia prevents that. So why would an outside company like open mobile tap into such a small market when they can have a bigger one like the android market.

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I don't remember the ability to run Palm apps wreaking any particular havoc on the "ecosystem" here. Translation: I think the ability to run more programs from wherever is a Good Thing. And I do have an Android tablet lying about ten inches from here. And I have an N9 lying about six inches from here. But I am enjoying my N900 keyboard anyway. Let's face it: there are damn few real loyalists left, we are all mongrels now.

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Why do you think Google wouldn't want to let you use ACL? I keep seeing people on this forum say this but I've never seen Google prevent someone from running Android apps anywhere or even stripping Android down to use it as a customized OS (think BB's Play tablet compatibility with Android apps, Amazon's Kindle Fire and all the Nook tablets and e-readers.. yes, I even own an e-ink Nook Touch that clearly is running Android and responds to my adb commands over USB).

This would be a BENEFIT to Google, not a detriment. Hell, if it means you see ads by Google in the free apps... win for them! If it means you use the Play store to download and pay for apps.. win again!

So again... why do people keep saying stuff like this without pointing out any kind of evidence or a trend? Near as I can tell, there's plenty trending against such a theory. Go! Demand Android compatibility! We of the Android army welcome you with open arms!

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While I do agree with you that I would take native applications over non-native ones any day, I disagree with you because you seem to have that holier-than-thou attitude, as if your narrow and, quite frankly, useless opinion is the only opinion that matters. This is excellent news because it adds value to the MeeGo platform, specifically to our N9s and N950s. Sure, there are a lot of crappy Android apps, but there are also a vast amount of apps that are actually pretty good and well written. The same can be said to our app library. Just look at the Nokia store. Tons of useless "news applications" that are nothing more than shortcuts to websites. Of course, lots of nice ones too.

This project adds value to our devices, hence it is excellent news. I would rather have "the option", rather than have "no option at all".

No single platform can be absolutely perfect. It's a fact of life. The same way no single country produces everything it needs and has no need for relations with other countries.

By no means was this a fanboy topic. It's just that some people here think they know everything and that they are very well respected, but in reality, most people think they are shallow-minded mongrels who are in over their heads. :rolleyes:

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Oh look! You finally have Flash 11 running on your Nokia! Fiiiiinally. Oh wow.. and maybe even Chrome browser as yet another option for browsing? Bravo! Finally!

See how that works? I'm in total agreement. :)

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great,i hope that when it's out that i'll be able to run it on meego on n900 :)

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I'm not entirely sure Google would prevent the user of OpenMobile's ACL, given that I have been running Bluestacks on Windows recently when I need to run an Android app. They haven't moved to block that (and Windows wasn't open source last time I checked), and it still benefits Google somewhat as their marketplace gets more customers.

However, OpenMobile seem to be trying to support so many platforms, I'm not sure what resource they have to support that?

So there is a small chance that perhaps we will one day see Instagram and Shazam on the N9 (without booting fully into Android).

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I don't think they will 'support' ANY OF THEM.

Just provide the functionality, give us a release that works, and leave it at that, but that is all we really need.

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I'll believe it when I see it. Unfortunately I don't think Harmattan is on OpenMobile's priority list. Remember eBuddy? Don't forget that we also have NitDroid and that definitely isn't vapourware although development seems to have slowed down.

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no offence to the project, but its just not worth it for some of us, to boot into NITdroid just to use that one single application, am sure using ACL is faster than rebooting into NITdroid and opening the applicaton.

I don't understand why people are talking **** about bloaty Android, yes it does run on a virtual machine, that's how the system works, and its worked pretty damn well for them to make a full system has it not? In the video is showed that people could still multitask and would not "freeze" processes. All ACL is, is Java + Whatever google added in(classes, and functions wise).

People instantly talking **** about Android have there head up there own ***, as if they could create a better OS...

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Vaporware for sure.
It soon will be one year from the first announcement...

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Yes, agreed, dual booting is not an ideal solution. It is much better to be able to run Android apps from within Harmattan. But let's not get excited on the basis of a one paragraph blog post. OpenMobile has announced ACL for Harmattan since Q4 last year and nothing to show for it except this one post. I may be wrong but Alien Dalvik, Peregrine, LiveProfile and eBuddy have made me a little doubtful.

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How does that make it vapourware?

Because it took them a year to produce something decent?

Seriously?? You realise most Operating systems are in the work for several years before they are even Release Candidate ready..

Time doesnt make it vapourware, vapourware is stuff that never goes anywhere, not stuff that takes awhile to be made..

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yet another reason go android device then. i dont see why you people want too stay with n9 if there is "no qt apps" and want android apps instead?? are those Android existing phone so bad?

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I think what people want is an n900 version 2, that boots into maemo/meego, Has a keyboard, or one that can be attached. Can multi task like an n900 and has thhe desktop etc. AND can connect to the google play market and do all that stuff just by pressing a button, like you would on an android device. Plus run full web pages, with latest flash and all that.
That's certainly what I would like. Unfortunately it doesn't exist, and as my beloved n900 is starting to get a bit slow on the web these days I got myself an android. I wanted updated hardware to be able to surf the web faster plus other things. I got a galaxy note. It's good and fast with a great screen, but there are annoyances with it because it can't do some eimple things that are a breeze on the n900.

Manufacturers are't making what would be the perfect device. Maybe deliberately so we are forced to keep upgrading. If they made something like a note, with a slide out/attachable keyboard that could run maemo and android. If they don't want to use maemo or meego, why couldn't they just design some kind of over-arching task manager themselves and make it fit in with android? If they made that device then customers would have no need to buy again for 2 or 3 years.
Perhaps it is just lazyness.
It's the same with hardware buttons. The trend is to have less and less. No, give me more you idiot manufacturers. Don't just blindly follow what apple did last summer because you think the kids will say it's cool. It is all giving us consumers less and less choice, forcing us down the route where eventually we'll just have a pebble or something, with no buttons at all on it. They'll all look the same and you'll have to shake them in certain ways to activate things on it. The only differences will be that a different logo is on the side depending on who made it.

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Tick-tock! Meanwhile, Android--the very operating system this aspires to maintain compatibility with--evolves and these jokers have to play catch-up yet again and can claim it'll take them some MORE time to catch up. THAT's what he's pointing out. This isn't a whole operating system--it sits on TOP of one and supposedly provides compatibility with system calls. If it's not already ready to be used after such a big promotion, it's not unreasonable to think that it might end up being vaporware or at least irrelevant by the time it finally "releases." You could argue that Duke Nukem Forever isn't vaporware, but it might as well be. Tick-tock.

I still lament the omission of D-pad and functional buttons on the face of the unit the way my N800 did. Feh!

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I don't see why you keep saying that we're better off with an Android device. I also don't see why you keep babbling about how you can't understand why people want to stick with the N9. You've been saying this for quite some time now, and it's becoming very obvious that you are either trolling or just plain stupid.

Did it ever occur to you that people don't just look at the apps, when purchasing a new phone? Maybe they like how it looks. Maybe they like the camera. Maybe they like the price point when the opportunity to buy one presented itself to them. Brand loyalty? Customer experience when they needed to have their phones fixed? Or maybe they bought the N9 waaaaaaay back when before Elop announced they are switching to Windows Phone, and these same people don't want to buy a new phone, just because Elop is going in a different direction? There are so many factors, not just apps.

In all honesty, if you keep this narrow, and unbelievably ridiculous mindset of yours, you will never understand why other people still stick with their N9s. You will just keep asking and asking and asking and you won't understand it. Ever.

It's better to have "AN OPTION" (aka a choice whether to boot into MeeGo or Android), rather than have "NO OPTION" at all.

How'd that feel bro? :rolleyes:

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As someone who now owns a "flagship" Android phone (SGS3) and an N9, I can say I would very much like to have Android apps on my N9 and also that there are many advantages of an N9 over Android, the most important of which is that MeeGo is a real linux. I was completely floored when I went to the command line in Android and discovered how many basic linux commands are absent.

Not only that, MeeGo is roughly a million times less cluttered than android's OS...things like having a squircle for bluetooth or plane mode or a clock/weather and notifications on the screen without waking it, etc. just make MeeGo a much nicer OS IMHO.

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I would as well, but this would be slower if it works, shell in shell on linux we are talking about. And as danramos pointed out, different versions, late releases, always chasing, this does not look realistic, but would be nice in theory.

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Did this thread get merged with the one about ACL? The topic should be changed, because I was all happy thinking "Cool, new excellent news?!?! What could it be?" but then saw that it was the same topic that I had posted on about them specifying that they were planning specifically to support Harmattan.

I would suggest the topic be changed to "Android Compatibility layer for Harmattan?! Awesome!"

Even when I read "ACL for MeeGo" on the other thread, I was thinking it meant Access Control Lists. Curse being an administrator sometimes... well most days. But at least I'm a Linux System Administrator instead of a Windows one. I think I'd even go (more) insane if that were the case..

slaapliedje

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Truth to be told, with or without the apps, I can still live with my N9. It has those essential functions you need. I know what I signed up to the moment I bought my N9 on the first day, no updates, no future. Still, I am willing to get it, will you do the same to your android/iPhone? Will you get an android ICS or gingerbread that cannot be upgraded? Perhaps an iPhone that promises no updates in the future?
Perhaps not, that's why you can't understand the charm of a wonderful phone.

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The rest of your criticism seems more hardware related than Android related but... It's your lucky day, then! Good thing I'm here!

BusyBox is here to save the day!
http://play.google.com/store/apps/de...ricson.busybox

or, if you prefer a more full and proper Debian install...
http://guardianproject.info/2011/06/...an-on-android/

You're welcome! :)

That's nice... I guess? But then why are you telling us this here in this thread? It seems utterly uninteresting. I might also add that it has about as much relevance as someone popping in to comment that, truth be told, they can still live with the old flip-phone they bought in 1999 that makes phone calls just fine because THAT is the essential function you need. Thanks for volunteering your prescription to Luddism, however. We'll keep that in mind whenever we see you around.

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simple for me yes, I can't stand using Android, any UX. While it's generally a good phone I still don't like the multitasking, home button and back button. I prefer the N9s UX, is that so bad really? I mean if ACL ever happened, I'd only want a handful of apps at best, and they include the random trendy app

somebody said they have nothing to show for it? Well theres a demo of it running on a Meego Core. Yeah they might still not release it, but isn't it better than nothing?

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I've just mailed Openmobile ACL about releasing this for Harmattan.
Seems like they also have something for consumers :)
Check this out:
http://openmobileww.com/tv.php

Waiting for their reply! :)

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I've emailed them more than a week ago with the same questions but I haven't got an answer still - hopefully you'll be more successful :)

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Same here, also wrote them a mail about almost 2 weeks ago - no answer...

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I'm starting to hate these trolls with a passion these days.... :(
Never gunna happen people, & if it does it'll probably be half-baked & never really take-off.

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2 weeks ago, it said "oem only" but now, it says that consumers can also make profit for ACL.... who knows! :)

Let's wait some more to see what they offer :)

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Tbh we have no reason to expect anything from them, but its not gonna harm us if they do be true to their word.

Its not like we are putting our lives on the line waiting for them, just carry on being the usual awesome community we are and if this works out then weheey!

If not then ah well and move on :)

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I don't know if anyone noticed the cursor in the demonstration video but it looks just like another cloud-based application like Alien Dalvik (which the devs of claimed to have rewritten Dalvik). Although Dalvik is written Java (which can be reversed with a decompiler) it isn't just that easy to hack or customise the VM to run under a completely different environment. If that was possible, we would see it on apple devices already with the help of jailbreaking, since there are a lot more coders and users than here are.

This project doesn't look legitimate to me at all. Even if they manage to release that (which I highly doubt), I wouln't care about it. Not anyway since I held a sgsIII in my hands which supposed to have the amazing horsepower to run android like no other. I can say that it was still an utter mess. The device is not to blame but the software is. It's Java that makes android slow, clumsy, unintuitive. I always said Java is not a solution for mobile platforms. The same can be said to flash. I might sound like steve jobs but I think this is the truth. Yeah I know running Android apps would be great as you would have a wide variety of apps available but some of us should know that it has become a trend to make false promises.

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Ummmm....
http://lifehacker.com/5693309/how-to...six-easy-steps

Just saying.

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hit the wrong thread?
this is iDroid like... NITDroid?
you don't need an ANDroid VM if you are running the actual Droid, do you?

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I would just like to point it that the devs took ages to announce that they where still working on it. I Have a feeling it will be ages before we hear anymore. But I have faith. The glass is half full guys.

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Don't wait. This is vapourware and will never get released be released as a cloud-based application.

EDIT: Notice the ip address in the demonstration video of ACL on Tizen. Cloud-based CONFIRMED. Pretty useless.

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Oh that officially sucks :(