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Hurrian 2012-07-30 08:41
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1244162)
I think he was referring to Dalvik running under environments other than Dalvik/Linux.

iDroid runs around the problem by running Android on (very old) iDevices.

Vromoth 2012-07-30 20:26
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Originally Posted by Ariadeno (Post 1244788)
Don't wait. This is vapourware and will never get released be released as a cloud-based application.

EDIT: Notice the ip address in the demonstration video of ACL on Tizen. Cloud-based CONFIRMED. Pretty useless.
I don't see how this confirms anything Ariadeno, the IP address shown is in the OS. ACL us only launched when an app is started.

HtheB 2012-07-30 20:36
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I've mailed those guys 2-3 times already, got no reply from them back :(

Edit:
I've done some little research,

We need to contact:
Leila Dillon
ldillon [at] openmobileww [dot] com
http://twitter.com/ldillonom


Edit 2: Ugh, seems like that she doesn't use Twitter since February anymore...

don.edri 2012-07-30 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1245102)


Edit 2: Ugh, seems like that she doesn't use Twitter since February anymore...
you can try her facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/leila.dillon.3

photo looks the same as on twitter and profile info says she works at OpenMobile, so I guess that's the one

HtheB 2012-07-30 20:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by don.edri (Post 1245116)
you can try her facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/leila.dillon.3

photo looks the same as on twitter and profile info says she works at OpenMobile, so I guess that's the one
That's her! who has got facebook!? Please write to her and ask about ACL... :(

Ariadeno 2012-07-30 21:50
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vromoth (Post 1245095)
I don't see how this confirms anything Ariadeno, the IP address shown is in the OS. ACL us only launched when an app is started.
You still don't realise that something isn't right, right?

Look I'll explain.

Quote:
ACL for MeeGo
ACL for Tizen
ACL for Linux
ACL for Windows
ACL for WebOS
ACL for QNX
ACL for Bada
ACL for Symbian
Tizen won't allow native applications whereas Symbian uses Qt. If you were to rewrite the VM for MeeGo, which is possible but extremely hard, you would have at least 1 system to work on. To customise your rewritten VM for MeeGo to run under Tizen, which won't allow native applications, is impossible. And if you were claiming that you are able to run Dalvik VM on Symbian, I would laugh myself to death.

This ACL for everything nonsense proves itself to be a cloud client. This is no rewritten VM. This is no additional layer on the platform. This is the cloud, this is Sparta!

Quote:
ACL delivers native performance
All Android apps perform as native on the operating system with zero latencies.*ACL does not drain your device resources.* Device power and memory will be unchanged.
Note the emphasis. You would run an entire VM and the processing speed and memory would be unaffected..

No F@!@*n wayy!!

You guys are all going to be disappointed. Don't set your expectations so high.

mikecomputing 2012-07-30 22:03
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stop dream its just vapoware

Vromoth 2012-07-30 22:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariadeno (Post 1245136)
You still don't realise that something isn't right, right?

Look I'll explain.



Tizen won't allow native applications whereas Symbian uses Qt. If you were to rewrite the VM for MeeGo, which is possible but extremely hard, you would have at least 1 system to work on. To customise your rewritten VM for MeeGo to run under Tizen, which won't allow native applications, is impossible. And if you were claiming that you are able to run Dalvik VM on Symbian, I would laugh myself to death.

This ACL for everything nonsense proves itself to be a cloud client. This is no rewritten VM. This is no additional layer on the platform. This is the cloud, this is Sparta!



Note the emphasis. You would run an entire VM and the processing speed and memory would be unaffected..

No F@!@*n wayy!!

You guys are all going to be disappointed. Don't set your expectations so high.
Well firstly Tizen can have native apps. I'm not sure how limited they are however. I do agree with you on it not working on Symbian though. Possible, maybe but ****ing hard.

And for your last comment in the resources it uses, take a look at wine. Completely different program I know, but it did it. Almost no lag. Them saying that its what there trying to achieve but the video proves otherwise. Also Android is only a Vm on top of Linux anyway, that's why it can be ported and run in full speed.

@mikecomputing
Let people and there dreams alone, no one likes a dream catcher that steals all your good dreams.

Ariadeno 2012-07-31 00:07
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Well firstly Tizen can have native apps.
Nope.. You're wrong. The EFL libraries and Qt have been ripped out. So it's all about HTML5.

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I do agree with you on it not working on Symbian though. Possible, maybe but ****ing hard.
No, impossible natively. Possible in the cloud.

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And for your last comment in the resources it uses, take a look at wine. Completely different program I know, but it did it. Almost no lag.
Not only a completely different program. But completely different architecture. You're comparing x86 with ARM. And wine is just the windows APIs and Libs and it IS rewritten unlike the ACL crap. Besides, most of the APIs and libs of wine are written in C (fast, solid, actual acces to hardware) unlike the Dalvik VM which the interpreter of might be written in C but most libs and the apis and other functions are Java (slow, heavy). Wine is fast because its running on a fast system (duuhhh) You expect to run a runtime environment on a completely different, much more limited platform (performance wise) without problems. It's not that simple.

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Also Android is only a Vm on top of Linux anyway, that's why it can be ported and run in full speed.
Wrong, Android is the RE (Dalvik VM + Runtime Libraries) along with the Application libs and app framework on top of the Linux-KERNEL, not Linux.

And tell me for ****s sake, why am I still not able to run android apps on my X86 Slackware Linux machine without the help of emulating on
a Virtual Machine. Porting was that easy, right??
There is no one on x86 except bluestacks for mac and windows.

Mann.... Quit dreaming. Too good to be true.

gleydsonpr 2012-07-31 00:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1222652)
They demoed hardware accelerated flash 11 on the N900 first, before any edroid device.

They demoed alien dalvik on the N900 first.

They demoed sygic aurora on the N900 first.


I am sure ACL will be along any minute now.
They demoed hardware accelerated flash 11 on the N900 first, before any edroid device

Yes, they did and still our N900s donīt have even Flash 10 and will never hever have it!!! :mad:

Elleo 2012-07-31 01:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariadeno (Post 1245181)
Nope.. You're wrong. The EFL libraries and Qt have been ripped out. So it's all about HTML5.
A bit off-topic but just to clarify matters a little: it is perfectly possible to write native EFL based apps for Tizen, it's not currently well documented but there's nothing stopping you from doing it and the majority of the default apps on current Tizen handset images are all EFL based. I actually wrote a short tutorial on how to get started writing EFL apps for Tizen myself (http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2012/06/23...chbox-and-efl/).

What's currently in question is whether it'll be possible for 3rd party developers to distribute native apps through any sort of official app store, which is a topic the Tizen steering committee have been pretty silent on. We may even end up with some splintered scenario in which some OEMs allow native apps in their stores and some don't; but that's all a matter of policy, not a technical restriction.

slaapliedje 2012-07-31 03:02
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Originally Posted by Elleo (Post 1245196)
A bit off-topic but just to clarify matters a little: it is perfectly possible to write native EFL based apps for Tizen, it's not currently well documented but there's nothing stopping you from doing it and the majority of the default apps on current Tizen handset images are all EFL based. I actually wrote a short tutorial on how to get started writing EFL apps for Tizen myself (http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2012/06/23...chbox-and-efl/).

What's currently in question is whether it'll be possible for 3rd party developers to distribute native apps through any sort of official app store, which is a topic the Tizen steering committee have been pretty silent on. We may even end up with some splintered scenario in which some OEMs allow native apps in their stores and some don't; but that's all a matter of policy, not a technical restriction.
Wow, I hadn't heard that about Tizen, I thought it mostly was just pushing HTML5, but there were options to write with pretty much anything.... Why on earth would you limit yourself to a system that hasn't even been finalized. Well, I guess worse decisions have been made, like Silverlight....

slaapliedje

Vromoth 2012-07-31 04:00
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariadeno (Post 1245181)
Nope.. You're wrong. The EFL libraries and Qt have been ripped out. So it's all about HTML5.



No, impossible natively. Possible in the cloud.



Not only a completely different program. But completely different architecture. You're comparing x86 with ARM. And wine is just the windows APIs and Libs and it IS rewritten unlike the ACL crap. Besides, most of the APIs and libs of wine are written in C (fast, solid, actual acces to hardware) unlike the Dalvik VM which the interpreter of might be written in C but most libs and the apis and other functions are Java (slow, heavy). Wine is fast because its running on a fast system (duuhhh) You expect to run a runtime environment on a completely different, much more limited platform (performance wise) without problems. It's not that simple.



Wrong, Android is the RE (Dalvik VM + Runtime Libraries) along with the Application libs and app framework on top of the Linux-KERNEL, not Linux.

And tell me for ****s sake, why am I still not able to run android apps on my X86 Slackware Linux machine without the help of emulating on
a Virtual Machine. Porting was that easy, right??
There is no one on x86 except bluestacks for mac and windows.

Mann.... Quit dreaming. Too good to be true.
Well everything I said there may not have been described right was mostly correct. But debating it is not going to change anything. I believe it won't be a cloud app OpenMobile has had almost 2 years to work on this, that's a lot of time and its a company not just one guy in a basement. And because I believe so much I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and bet you 20 USD that when/if the ACL comes out its not cloud based.

Vromoth

misterc 2012-07-31 04:46
Re: Excellents News for every Nokia N9 owner :D
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slaapliedje (Post 1245217)
Wow, I hadn't heard that about Tizen, I thought it mostly was just pushing HTML5, but there were options to write with pretty much anything.... Why on earth would you limit yourself to a system that hasn't even been finalized. Well, I guess worse decisions have been made, like Silverlight....

slaapliedje
because Maemo.org proved to the world that you can't make money with an APP store / site if there is a "community" providing apps for free, maybe?

at least nobody is calling it Flop's 1st Fart anymore :rolleyes:

Hacker 2012-07-31 10:23
I just emailed Openmobileww, so I'll report back if I hear anything.

In the days/weeks before Wazzapp was released, there were a LOT of haters and doubters talking all sorts of skepticism. Some of them suggested impossibility, vaporware, developer fraud, illegality of concept, and any number of reasons to despair. But I noticed that, generally speaking, the doubters were also those who had some emotional commitment to opposing the idea of the N9 getting something new. The hostility in their message is unmistakable. Sort of like the guys who said running the 4 minute mile was 'impossible'--UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE DID IT.

We have Nitdroid making progress, and I hope and expect that OpenMobile will bring something to market--at a minimum, it would be another option for us to play with.

Maybe the haters could start another thread, since their pessimistic speculations add little to this one.

thedead1440 2012-07-31 10:31
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Well drawing comparisons to wazapp is not right. Go through the wazapp thread again and you will see a persistent message from those of us in the know that its under development and give it time... Almost every page or two pages had one response saying to be patient ...

OTOH OpenMobile are not in touch and none of the community has ties with them while we also know them to Have shown vaporware before that's why we are sceptical....

contact them via email and you will See them giving u a very non-commital answer thats if they do respond...

HtheB 2012-08-01 22:03
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REPORT TIME!

I've got a reply back for all of you guys!

Quote:
Hi HtheB,

Thank you so much for your email. We are working diligently to deliver ACL across multiple mobile platforms including the Nokia N9. Unfortunately I do not have specific release dates at the moment, but I will reach out to you as soon as I have further information. Thank you again for taking the time to email OpenMobile.

We are hoping to have an announcement in the very near future about a downloadable version of ACL - dates, timing, pricing, versions, support, etc.

I have shared your note below with the OpenMobile team and we thank you for your enthusiasm and support. I will certainly reach out to you with more information as soon as I am able to release it (very soon!). And yes, I will also be happy to add you to our testers list. Please stay tuned for more information on that.

Warmest regards,
Leila

Will keep you updated guys! :)

anismistry 2012-09-07 01:11
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If ACL is available at all in the near future, how would the apps run, just as Native app or you would be able to say the difference.
Also will we be getting all apps such as Tango, document editor, games etc on it
Thanks

thedead1440 2012-09-07 01:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by anismistry (Post 1262419)
If ACL is available at all in the near future, how would the apps run, just as Native app or you would be able to say the difference.
Also will we be getting all apps such as Tango, document editor, games etc on it
Thanks
Nice question on vaporware ;)

It is unreleased with the email above your post the latest form of communication anybody has had with them yet you are asking on technical details for something we have not seen in action except for the 1minute demo they ran on MeegoCE...

Bundyo 2012-09-07 05:21
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Well, on the PlayBook the difference in performance is obvious - for instance the Android browsers are at least 3-4 times slower than the native browser and even scrolling is often stuttering.


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