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Could be external things like the sun that triggers that, or war, sickness or economies. Who knows. The only thing iwe know it will happen, as long as we are alive. We will evolve. |
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Of course no one really knows when sex was invented but chances are it was a very, very long time ago. Possibly even before, but certainly at least very shortly after multicellular organisms evolved. One possible scenario, proposed by Richard Dawkins, was like this. Every organism has a special group of cells whose purpose is reproduction. These can seed a new organism on their own or need to combine with a partner. There is nothing to say what the partner must look like. In the depths of time, the partners were probably identical. Even now we have certain fungi that reproduce by combining any two spores, there are no "male" and "female" spores. Now, due to natural fluctuations, it may just happen that some of these cells are teensy-weensy larger than others. That has an advantage of bestowing the potential embryo with more nutrients, thus giving it a bit of advantage at the start of life. But a bigger size has a disadvantage too, in reduced mobility. But what happens if some of the partner cells happen to be teensy-weensy smaller than others? They cannot give the embryo much nutrition but can be more mobile and more easily find the oversized partners. So we end up with two opposing strategies: "both partners about the same" and "one big and one small but mobile". Over eons of evolution, the two strategies would diversify and the "big and small" would go to extremes, with the size difference in the order if 1000:1 or even more. And thus we arrive at what we today call an "egg" and a "sperm". We may of course have organisms that produce both cells, but it is more efficient to diversify that too, with some members of the species producing only eggs and others only sperm. The cost of producing an egg is high, which means the egg is precious and the organisms producing them must treat them as such. The cost of producing a sperm is tiny, so the organisms producing them can afford to make them in copious quantities and waste them. The rest, including the anatomical and behavioral differences between "males" and "females" follows naturally. If this is indeed how sex evolved, then it is very likely that a similar sequence of events unrolled elsewhere in the Universe. The aliens would indeed look very different from us, but the very basic law of natural selection would be the same everywhere and thus it is very likely that they would also come in two sexes. |
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Natural selection is only applied for young species. Later, energy is the decider.
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What are you on about, Dave? Natural selection applies everywhere. Young, old, alive or dead. Why do you think we have a duopoly of just two mobile OSes? Natural selection!
Even if the dominant species on some distant planet were replaced with AI, the natural selection would not stop. Small fluctuations or even blind chance (like the one that did away with Mr T-Rex to clear the way for you) would result in some of them moving up while others dying away. Energy? Ultimately, natural selection is driven by the struggle for resources. That's what it is all about: resources are limited, which means not all indoviduals can survive and reproduce. Most of them must die. Which ones die and which ones survive and produce the next generation, that is where natural selection steps in. Resources can come in many forms. Materials, energy, even information. |
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I actually starting to doubt that we will actually see a full refund and that jolla stratergy from now on is focusing to sell license to tablet backer to force the money to stay in the ecosystem.
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Sure Dave heard.
He is "attuned" to the Jolla frequency ... His mind powers are focused... https://giphy.com/gifs/ellie-gouldin...-mnwK4R4gMBsWI Unfortunately it only works for Jolla... And spare change on a tabletop . |
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considering the thorn he is in Jollla's backside...
I am guessing that yes indeed he is a gnu/linux user... bet Dave's OS is GNUsense ... (hahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahhaaa) |
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Kidz. Grow up!!
Amateur hour is over! Just kidding... Got ya. Carry on... —————————————————————————- No Jolla hasn’t said that. In fact. They haven’t said anything. For 9 monthz |
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ah... good one mscion... ach Dave.... Jolla may not have "said" anything.... doesn't mean that your davESP didn't pick up them "thinking " something though... :D |
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I don’t have to pick up anything with my sixth sense. It is pretty obvious what is going on.
It’s a firesale! https://blog.jolla.com/new-years-greetings-jolla/ That small surprise... I’m ready for it now. Even if it’s an official end of the tablet project 3 years too late. So I can move on. maybe close this thread. Possibly even shutdown TMO. Move humanity to a new rock in space. Call it home. Launch a new project. |
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That includes this thread. BTW. Has anyone seen any new device that deserves our valuable time here? Or is it only iphones and galaxies in your pockets?. |
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Currently, phones that seem most interesting to me are the Vivo Nex https://m.gsmarena.com/vivo_nex_s_an...eview-1778.php The Huawei Mate 20 or 20 pro Purism Librem5 And of course Note 9 Although I'm thinking of getting another guitar instead again.. http://www.ibanez.com/products/eg_de...217&color=CL01 |
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And guitars...are you playing or collecting? Do have a studio at home? Or why do you need a new blue guitar? |
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I'm ok with the guitar I have now but the guitar in the link has some cool features plus, because of it's design, it is easier to play high notes than the guitar I currently have. $2500 is a lot to pay. Also, I don't actually like the color. But it is a serious axe. |
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In music ...like most of the other arts...
Having the right tool to do what you need to...means everything. If it is exactly what you need ..over what you currently have mscion... Then get the guitar. $2500 isn't much when compared to what use you will put it to...and the fact that an electric will last your lifetime. Me...I have a couple I have built..play them now and then.. But I focus on my dulcimers and other instruments more... Especially my metal strung harps... Garage band is ok.. I'm geared on our maemo real time effects processor... GTKgep... for my n8x0's and n900's ...so I can take one and a harp with me to work and play all night... Saves the weight of bringing a laptop... At home ..the only real time I use on windows is Jesusonic ...it is old...but freakin great...make my own effects with it...even. Past that...there are a couple of outdated music distros I still use that have big selections of progs that are excellent... As far as standalone goes ... Rakarrak is my linux fav I use all the time. |
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There are certain clues that point to the direction that there actually is no real world out there at all, that we are indeed living inside a simulation. If this is the case, how long has it been so? Did we begin like that, did the simulation start from "our" big bang or did someone swap us into this realm from the real world at some point? And if so, what happened to the real reality, is it still there or has it maybe ended? |
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Actually juice...
I thought it a plausible myself... But the science is being disproven that we are in a simulation. There is a research project to verify whether we are in a simulation. It entails figuring out the maximum capacity of "space" ...of the "limit" or "ceiling" that the simulation can handle...and will determine with certainty whether we are in a simulation . But so far...fad science has blown the possiblity of it out of proportion... While the real experts are more and more speaking up on the scientific improbability of a simulation . |
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I like the idea of an evolving simulation. The ancients believed that stars were dots painted on the dome covering the earth because that is what they really were. They believed that the earth was a few thousand years old because that is how old it really was. Those were the boundaries of the simulation at the time. We sometimes wonder why advances in science come at the time they do. An evolving simulation gives an answer: the scientific understanding of the world reflects the state of the simulation at the time. As the simulation gets upgraded, so does our view of the world.
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What the church allowed to be broadcast as the common and learned knowledge was in accordance with doctrine.
All else that was obviious was purged. Wisdom which was hidden differs from that view pichlo. Gnosticism , sacred sciences that used mathematics, and such studies used very complex formulas ..in fact. And the gnostics in turn took their knowledge from the older civilizations ..the greeks, egyptians, babylonians, etruscans... There were many diverse theories and beliefs including the universe being hidden behind a veil which concealed the clockwork mechanism of the divine. It has always been the idea that current understanding is so much more accurate and or "real".. And past civilization is quaint, simple, or at worst inferior. But any modern civilizarion would be hard pressed to build the ancient monuments today with the pinpoint accuracy with which they were built using crude simple tools. The ancient temples being observatory usage...as much for the advancement of science as prayer... It was only the advent of the dark ages that saw our knowledge hamstrung and people forced to believe a controlled concept. When the ancients ...including the greeks...for example...calculated with their observatories the landmass of the earth to within a few thousand hectares... Then that says volumes concerning just how complex their concepts were of the world and universe around them. |
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Interesting thoughts about existence in a simulation. Although there appears to be a few bugs in the code. For example, because history repeats itself does that mean that there is an infinite loop? Also seems of the embarrassing parallel variety with very little communication... There appears to be some memory issues, if not memory leaks. . I suppose we could all be part of a genetic programing algorithm which implies many failed trials as the simulation evolves to find an optimal solution. Which one of those trials are we... I dunno,
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A simulation is just the modern current vocabulary for what the ancients considered to be a maze, a trap, a façade, an illusion, a veil over the eyes of the untutored ...
Doubtless ...given a few 100 years or thousand more ....if we make it that far.... Our descendants will look back at our primitive concept of the simulation as the construct of the universe ...as quaint and naive. Mscion.... History repeating itself is purely a human issue. Mainly due to our short lifespans and future generations needing to learn the same lesson...having never dealt with it. The biggest issue humanity has...according to the scientists ...is that since we were hardwired to cope with perceivable and immediate threats. We cannot conceive of threats which are a distance in time from us. Just as every species has built into it the seed of its own extinction .. Due to evolutionary specialization .. Such as the panda which can only eat bamboo Or koala which can only eat eucalyptus leaves... And so every other species... They concede that that may be our brains which have enabled us to adapt to situations very well...may be our undoing ... Everyone thinks the dinosaurs went extinct because of an asteroid impact... When really....what happened was they went extinct due to this... https://humormedication.files.wordpr...dino.jpg?w=353 |
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To me, the word "simulation" implies a deliberate execution, for the purpose of research or entertainment. It is bound to be not perfect. Loops, leaks, deadlocks, crosstalk, crashes are expected. As whoever runs the simulations finds and fixes those bugs, the entities within the simulation may stop experiencing them until a higher level (or simply a newly introduced) bug is exposed. |
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I was thinking along the practical consequences, on possibilities of hacking the simulation from inside.
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We would most certainly unravel the past present and future...
And most certainly end up negating ourselves and all of simulated history with it. If indeed it becomes possible to muck with the machinery of creation here... We will most certainly hit the big red button that has the signage in bold text stating "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES PRESS THIS BUTTON" 100% ...bet we will...just to see what happens. |
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Hacking the simulation from inside is tricky. You run into all sorts of halting problems and the like. Rowhammer and similar may look like they are hacking from inside but in reality they are doing it with an outside knowledge of the system they are running on.
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The Truman show 2.0
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Long before the current simulation fad began..
It was postulated that this was a "grown reality and universe" Somewhat similar to say a hothouse horticultural research experiment. Or say ..a lab experiment and we are in the Petrie dish. More stark were the theories surrounding the reason "why do this?".. The most probable answers were... not any "advanced" or divine reason.. But narrowed down to 2 most likely possible reasons. 1- there is more than one petrie dish in the lab...more than ones garden plant in the hothouse. This is just one "place"....among many. The purpose and why... for which began as either "amusement" and "learning and education"... Other petrie dishes ..or plants were to a lesser degree engineered with many safeties.. But the learning curve was shallow. This one we are in was engineered to be dangerous...a challenge...and those entering ...upon leaving...did not return to the lab....to the hothouse...but went elsewhere... Hence the curiosity....those looking for answers..those looking for loved ones who came here but have not come back....and explains the expansion of the numbers of the species . A good few texts were written on this particular theory. It also goes on to speak of the fact the lab...the hothouse...with fewer and fewer and finally no engineers to maintain it... This place has become even more dangerous.. The garden going to seed...growing wild...and no one maintaining it... The second theory is one that was far more dire... The reason for this "construct" (frankly I like that term far better...since the whole current "simulation" craze is based almost completely on the context of computer code...whereas a "construct" implies any number of possible permutating studies to complete the desired "effect") Anyway...the more dire reason for this construct being...that it was built by us in escape from either an environment that was completely inhospitable to life of any sort. And / or ...was engineered as the most practical, economical , least resource consuming method of escape from the original creation ...due to depleted resources, planet wide or exo threat ..such as the sun flaring to the point of crisping us all..or any number of other cosmological accidents ... Since space faring is costly...and time is the issue... Since this method of micronization may be more practical for migration ...to provide us with an exact replica of the place we left...and the issues we had to face and have yet to face... Buying us time to solve them...and possibly live happily here...possibly go back... The big issue with that is... Billions of years have passed here... How much time since we actually "left" the last place... A few nanoseconds? A few minutes? A few years? If we break the petrie dish... Would suddenly we be forced to deal with dillemas that we are unprepared for? That we technically just left mere moments ago? What if it is an imminient catastrophic event whixh we fled which was unavoidable....but we bought ourselves trillions of years to figure out how to live happily here....or go deeper still into another petrie dish fleeing deeper still...? excellent books... I have them here in my library somewhere... |
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I am not a philosopher, but to me, there is a crucial difference between an experiment running in a lab and a simulation. In the former, the subjects being observed exist in the same reality as the observer, only constrained. In the latter, the subjects exist in their own, separate reality.
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I took philo...
not as useless as some may think it a study to be... It means that problem solving...logic study....understanding questions...how to pose them...uncovering them...and asking more..as much as making sense of the world and when new innovation and discovery...occurs...being able to adjust and adapt to them and understand the "Why's?" better... right...so a simulation was created ...for the simplest "context" possible... where exactly? In a "laboratory" a "research facility" a "testing stage" of some kind. "simulation" of some kind of giant computer is about as limiting as a concept as it gets...to put the parameters of this place being a simulation of a computer generated origin..is as human and closed a concept as it gets. The moment one conceives of an "outside" and an "inside" the most natural next step is to put conditions on the place out of similarity to the one inhabiting either of the two. Some extrapolation ...some few differences may occur.. But the likelihood that the "other" place is vastly different to ours is highly unlikely. You work with what already exists around you... There is not one totally "alien" thing or concept that we as a species can come up with ...that isn't based in part on the natural laws existent as its base...at the least. One does not create from a "nothing" from a "no concept of anything at all" One creates and extrapolates based on what surrounds one... regardless it being a wet brain (biological) or dry brain (computer) .. this place is "experiential" Plain and simple. Ergo ...it has been based on a similar "experiential" origin. |
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I am nowhere near as eloquent as you are, but I can try clarifying what I mean by giving an example.
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The word "simulation" does not necessarily have to involve a computer. And I do not necessarily restrict my definition of a "computer" either. A "computer" in my view is "any autonomous device that can execute the simulation without an external interference". Three out of my four examples do not involve any such device. |
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Put in a single sentence, "an experiment is a simulation when the subject exists in a different reality than the observer."
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all your examples follow concepts which are grounded in our reality. which have a base in our reality. for even a concept as linear as a simulation...there must be an environment for it in which the apparatus operates. There must be given natural laws there. and to construct said simulation, the simulated environment must have some basis of the original built in. One cannot build a cat without knowing of cats. One cannot build an experiential universe without experiencing one. regardless of the construction being done by a wet brain or a dry brain. Or both. |
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But there is nothing stopping you from being creative. You do not need to simulate "a cat", modeling it on Mrs Mittens. You can simulate the evolution of cats by starting from an Archean amoeba and tweaking the environmental factors in various ways to see what comes out the other end after 3 billion years. Quote:
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