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Also, Jolla have some MeeGo patents.

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-gifts...rtup-10237812/

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How to pronounce Jolla (+how to sound like a laconic finnish male).
http://www.forvo.com/word/jolla/#fi

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Indeed. The main difference is that you can't easily attract the hobbyist unless he has an itch to scratch (== available and hackable devices). It will be fantastic if Jolla can provide that.

How do you see that working? Let's say I buy a Jolla device in a few months and discover that some core feature I want is missing (let's say IPv6 as a contrived example if it helps). How would I go about trying to convince Mer to add it, contributing patches and/or packages, and making sure the fruits of all that end up on my device in a reasonable timeframe?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Openness and freedom is a dream we all longing for. However even in the most open system. There is always someone else that de decide what will be included.

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Thats just Slashgear Google translating finnish article. The linked original article in ITviikko says that Nokia sometimes gives patents for layed off people who start their own busineses, but it does not say that this has been the case with Jolla.

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Wow, there is many articles coming in Finland :) Sorry for these wall of textes! Is there a possibility to do spoiler-tags so I could hide some text inside them?

This article is from Finnish newspaper called Uusi Suomi

http://www.uusisuomi.fi/raha/51905-j...koinen-tilanne

Jolla can become a bitter pill to Nokia: "Special situation"

"Well this is a special situation", admits Jussi Harmola. He is the CEO of the mobile phone company called Jolla, which came to public last weekend. He worked with his team at Nokia in february 2011 developing MeeGo -operating system and smart phones based to that OS.

Then came the day (11th of February 2011) and the turn, that afterwards closed down the entire MeeGo team at Nokia. CEO Stephen Elop firstly crushed MeeGo project because it was too slow and after that announced that Nokia will go with Microsoft and its Windows Phone.

Jussi Hurmiolas career at Nokia ended in March 2012.

"The whole MeeGo-organization just disappeared. Half of the people in Jolla is from Nokia and major part is the ones who got fired", says Hurmola to Uusi Suomi (another Finnish newspaper)

Jolla was founded within Nokias Bridge program, which Nokia created to support the redundant workers re-employment and entrepreneurship. Now the former Nokia MeeGo team members are developing Jolla MeeGo-based smart phone to Nokia Windows phones as a competitor.

"Nokia developed something great - the world's best smartphone product. It deserves a successor", Jolla announced during the weekend.

Jollas possible success would not benefit Nokia, as MeeGo is an open source software. It is managed by the Linux Foundation, and the software is free to be developed and used.

"After all, this is an unusual situation, but this is how open source software works", Hurmola says.

Hurmola does not want to comment on Nokia's solution to push MeeGo, developed with high expectations, aside.

"None of us at Nokia was at a level that we would know reasons for the decision", he says.

"We are grateful for Nokias Bridge program."

Equally polite Nokia welcomed yesterday Jolla to the smart phone field.

Jolla has a tough goal: the first smartphone to be announced as early as this year. What makes this challenging project easier is the fact that the operating system is familiar.

"We've already done this a couple of times", Hurmola says, referring to Nokia's so far the only MeeGo phone, N9-model.

"We are not starting from scratch."

The designing of the new phone was started already last year. The manufacturing of the device will be done by external partner, Hurmola says. Jolla is responsible for equipment design and operating system.

"There will be more news after a while. Our partner is an international, large company", Hurmola reveals little bit more to open.

About the features of the upcoming smartphone Hurmola remains silent.

"At the time of the anouncement, the company will explain in more detail what this device is and what it has eaten", Hurmola says.

"But what we are doing, is a new interface and new user experience. That is why we chose MeeGo so that we are able to lead and make new things by ourselves. [Apple's] iPhone and [Google] Android operating systems are great, but people have already seen them and may want something new. You can learn from these operating systems.

Hurmola has announced the company's goal to develop tens of millions of phones as a seller. He is asked about the big talking and he has to specify that it is not a goal but a strategy.

"In this area, it is difficult to be a small player. If you want to be in this area, one needs to be big."

"Our goal is to generate a wave that will swing this market, and ride on top of the wave with Jolla-based telephones.

According to Hurmola, the company is currently having the foundation money for the first part which is the designation of the product. The donors are private investors.

"After the weekend there has been contacts from institutional investors. But we want to go with private investors might, so that we can manage our project better."

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Aegis, and it's wrong reasons-to-be has (justifiably) created a huge hatred against security frameworks. On the other hand the basis of it's implementation (fine-grained permissions system) not only is correct, it is in my opinion needed in any modern smartphone with so much personal data stored in it. We are now protected by obscurity, but if I publish tomorrow a dancingbunny_8.32_armel.deb on devel and I promise android app compatibilty I can just upload all of MyDocs of the poor guys that installed it to my server and then wipe their N900 with the init script on next reboot. (or even flash zeros to the kernel area, overclock to death and other nice things).

I'm writing this in this thread because it has to do with community involvement (a "bad" security system can hinder community support (aegis) while a "good" one can boost it, especially now that we are nowhere safe, see Carrier IQ, Apple GPS tracking etc.)

A current smart device, phone whatever, must have the user in full control. A control panel applet should be enough to allow realtime granting and revoking privileges to apps. Thus we need a security framework, with the roles reversed, and the human the only one with full caps.

PS. Apple and MS has tried to solve this with the dreaded isolated storage, which forces all the apps to contain half-baked versions of other apps in order to work ok, definitely not the linux way
Google asks the user for permissions during install however with no possibility to revoke them. Thus most apps ask for many more permissions than they require and nobody pays any attention to that dialog box.

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http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-gifts...rtup-10237812/

Nokia to give Jolla some patents :)

source : http://www.itviikko.fi/teknologia/20...us/201233217/7

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I think the main question is who the security system is trying to protect: the owner of the device, or 3rd parties like the copyright mafia.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

FWIW, the original source does not say that at all. I'm amazed to see what people can cook out of bad google translations.

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I have feeling that Jolla is on of the reasons behind cancelling Meltemi :D

and about the Asian manufacture, it could be LG! what do u thing? they are suffering from droid, have no own OS ummm

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Oh, the hatred was already there. See any number of equally broken and hated attempts like Symbian Signed, Trusted^W^W^W^W^Weacherous Computing, Tivo etc locked devices, and more recently UEFI boot.

That's not what it's for. It's designed to protect the "content" (and by extension the device and content vendors' business models) from you, the owner of the device, and in order to do that it puts your computer under the control of everyone in the foodchain except you.

And if you believe Aegis can protect you from that I've got a nice bridge to sell you too ;-) Trivial proof: inception.

That, and an active community with decent skills, peer review and responsiveness is the only thing that can work IMHO. Cherry was a good example around these parts.

That doesn't work. You either end up with too coarse granularity (Android) or too fine (SELinux).

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Yup and now its on Engadget.

In other words its now the Truth.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

@ Jamqpa: i would like to say a big thank you for taking the time out of your day to translate these articles for us none Finnish readers :)

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No I meant in the maemo community (of course there were other failed security systems before


That is what I am saying, It was made for the wrong reasons, but we can use it for good ones


Aegis can't because it's poorly executed, and was made for the wrong reasons, but anyway, all fences have holes. But I would like if I it at least tried to protect my contacts and data from irrelevant applications. Or my cpu from malware. It's one thing to try and find exploits, and another to fry peoples phones for fun. In fact I would almost blindly trust any developer who did find an exploit to $SECURITY_SYSTEM, because he has nothing to prove. On the other hand a 14yo can brag that he fried peoples phones because he understands debian postinstall scripts.



Indeed, but cherry was installed on all N900's. Somebody was bound to spot it. $RANDOM_APP_IN_EXTRAS may publish your personal data for months before somebody spots it.

Tree-like structure?

Simple use-case, unrelated to security. I want to open my twitter app to check out an old tweet without it connecting to the net right now. I want to be able to revoke that right (symbian was good at that, but only for inet connection, not other perms)

Anyway, I would be happy even with too coarse granularity. At least I could sandbox-test an app.

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No problem mate :)

I think it is easier to spread the "right" information by doing the translation from the Finnish source. As Rauha mentioned above, internet is getting filled by articles that refers to another article which refers to the next one (and don't forget to add some Google Translate here) and every time the story changes a bit.

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That could be handle better from Jolla if they estblish real information channals. But t the moment I think they take all the press and aricles they can get, even if its not correct :)

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I still think that it does not preclude Nokia from licensing it to Jolla. Even if there is no event view, that in itself is an abstraction and can easily be adapted to a new UI. The button less design and swipe gestures will provide much needed differentiation to other smart phones out there.

Or if Jolla can blow our minds with their own completely new UI that is better than Swipe, I'm cool with that. Let's wait and see.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Press is press if it's a story on Engadget it has a higher chance to be seen, people will look into it and follow their twitter.

The more articles the better

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Swipe from edge is already used in chrome for android to switch tabs, so I think we'll be seeing it more and more as an interface gimmick. Sure Google is a bigger lawsuit magnet than jolla could be so, there will probably be a warning. On the other hand there are no software patents in europe, so at least in our side of the world swipe can be safely copied and reused.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

do jolla plan to release one jolla phone each year?

just a n9 successor will make them a big player!

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Short story this one but basically says that Finnish phone operators are positive about Jolla bringing a new MeeGo phone to the market.

http://www.ts.fi/uutiset/talous/3668...e+loytyy+tilaa

Salesmen believes: There are room for Jollas MeeGo phones in the market

Jolla, founded by former Nokia employers, is having a project to bring new MeeGo phones to the mobile phone market. The project is getting positive response from Finnish phone operators. Both DNA and Elisa are ready to take Jolla phones in to their wide range of different products if the specifications of the new phones are in place.

Nokia's first and last MeeGo phone N9 was very well received and it is still having its user base, says the operators.

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Plus if they wait for like 6 more months(after win 8 goes to $h!t just like 7.5) Nokia will be more than happy to sell them anything they might need from the SwipeUX for almost nothing.

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actually i think it's opposite, if WP8 fails, Nokia would like to keep sources to something they already worked on, instead of starting from scratch. Only one option is if Nokia would go bankrupt, than they would sell those, but i think first to know about it and buy it would be MS, just to keep those close, soooooo..... I don't think so.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

when WP8 fails...

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I thought Nokia have outsourced all OS development (WP made by MS, Symbian to Accenture).

So if WP8 doesn't work out and Jolla look to have a solid product, maybe Nokia would look to them for their new product line.

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Here's something from Nokia legal, with regards to the patents:
https://twitter.com/markdurrant/stat...86984798347265

"We’re proud of Bridge program support to start-ups founded by ex-Nokians, but we've not gifted patents to any, including Jolla."

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

holla mr.Reggie how do you think about this? Real competitor for tizen? Or maybe better?

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About the UX issue... swipe or not... I have to admit that while the N9 looks nice the way it is and some ideas in the UI are OK, I'd much prefer a desktop like on the N900, on Symbian or Android. It's just so much more powerful. Given that jolla may have to target the more geeky users instead of going for the iPhone market segment, I'd say oversimplifying things (as the N9 does sometimes) shouldn't be on their agenda.

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Legal answers are legal answers. I think Gifted is the word you should spot in here.

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From Twitter:

Might be an interesting event for those of us who are in Finland. Devaamo is pretty much the same people who organized the Finnish MeeGo Summit last year.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

but i still want to be able to close apps or move them to multitasking with swipe motion

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Windows 8 can do that. Not funny! Time to come up with something new and better

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That's my point.

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Hm, I just wonder what is this doing in "Competitors". TMO is not bound to Nokia, or is it?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Not bound to nokia, but the bills are paid by nokia, at least until next new year.

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The original article strongly implies it but sadly, Bernd said on FB:
"We did _not_ get patents from Nokia. The article was, as Riitta Pessi correctly points out, mistranslated, and then spread rapidly."

https://www.facebook.com/groups/3203...al_comments=17

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W8 will "success" reason is most people are stupid followers and Microsoft cant make it fail so they will markettting it as hell.

But who cares! If Jolla only gets 2% of the market its a BIG success. So I personally dont give a **** if MicroNokia will sell better as long as Jolla is Linux based an as open as possible.

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I think Jolla is Jolla and not part of Nokia is for reason already. And if they work with Nokia, it might always happen that another Elop will come and ruin things.

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It depends on what of the SwipeUI. Swipe to close or minimize is a must :)

On Playbook i have to close using the close button at the top and I HATE it. Its so stupid way on a tablet/phone.

But I think they can take that without Nokia can do something about it cause that is an innovation taken from WebOS.