Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

When and where exactly did that ever work?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I did, and as a result I am reserving my enthusiasm. Note that I am not claiming anything to be true.

I think that, as the CEO, he wants to answer as many questions as he can but specifics and details are things that he cannot fill out at this time. He can only give vague hints as to what's coming, and either isn't sure how to phrase it or has no real specifics/no decisions have been made.

I think you need to chill out a bit.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

They are releasing a phone this year! Clearly everything must be set in stone at this moment. They have been working on it for almost a year.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

i think people need to shut the **** up for the next few months and wait, because am certain if they generate enough money from the first set of sales for an open phone it may come. or they might think **** it weve made our profit.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

NO that is completely wrong, Nothing is ever set in stone.

one of many examples Raspberry Pi : the DAY it hit the manufacturing assembly they had to recall it to replace the Ethernet socket!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

:D Touche' [not] However, I will STFU now. Somehow this comes into my head:

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformation...7-minister.jpg

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

They are announcing a phone this year. Bit different.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Anyone have a feeler on how far they are compared to Tizen? Tizen should have a lead start, but you know how it is with Intel and OS project reboots.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Tizen is too secretive and too tightly controlled. Zero open development about it. So too hard to compare to something like Mer and derivatives.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

We do know their developer prototype though, but that doesn't say anything about commercially available. However, given that they put fairly big (equally sized as Windows@Phone) Bada aside for Tizen, I think they would feel a need to have a few devices out this year... /speculation

Either way, with Jolla and Tizen, there's at least some work for "disruption". When Nokia started taking out their frustration on the N9 before it was even in sales, I didn't see any hope for an open platform.

Edit: clarification: I didn't see any prospects for one.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Hey,

As per a discussion that started here....
I've started a google doc here where everyone's free to brainstorm & place Qns you want to ask Jolla Mobile.
After a while I'll close-it-off and reformat if/where necessary.

Cheers.

EDIT: fixed access now.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

If they had delayed their announcement(s), this forum would have been defunct, no longer funded and folks would have disbanded and jumped ship to other platforms and forums.

I'm happy they have one.

Vague now, but it's based on concrete concepts - Mer, community, MeeGo, et al.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

okay the Google doc's acting freaking weird, can someone please confirm that you can edit it once you go to that link?
If not I'll just have to manually grab the questions/ideas posted here and throw them into the doc.

EDIT: Nvm looking good now, still looks like a ghost town though, oh no I speak too soon, it's alive! ;-P

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

works fine, type what you want and close it, dont even have to save

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It's seems to be working fine mate. I have just added 2 questions and saw another member editing it too.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

IB Times article updated after Jolla contacted them for clarification:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/36...ngry-birds.htm

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Ok, this is getting silly. For the love of $DEITY, can someone clarify which of the following (all of which have been claimed at one time or other) is true?

1. there will be one device without any locking, it's just that consumers aren't interested in flashing kernels
   
2. there will be one device that's locked by default but with an open "developer" mode
   
3. there will be a locked consumer device and an open "developer" edition one

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

There we go.

People should stop string sh*t up, everyone can express their opinions but what has been happening lately was just stupid.
People were just claiming things that weren't true and just caused a lot of confusion.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

now can trolls like specc shut up and go elsewhere!? Because above is enought to show that jolla will work with the mer community!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It's one of those two, Jussi himself addressed it in a later interview*, & it was linked a gazillion times in this thread.
Based on what he said, it sounded more to me like the 1st one, but put your question/s in the google doc.

*because a previous one resulted in the writer claiming two totally different devices are coming

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I would guess #2 would be the answer, because it makes the most sense. I can't see a small company producing two different sets of hardware with one being a very small audience.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It can be same hardware with one excluding the security stack from software and adding other needed bits, other for regular customers with all kinds of security stack included.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

So this thread was running absolutely hot & I've only just caught up on the last 5-days or so...
(much of the same stuff re-hashed/reinterpreted, but some very interesting points raised too)
Where are all those same crazy questions/thoughts for the doc, please start adding them there!
I know many are frustrated with the seemingly mixed signals Jolla's been (inadvertently) sending.
So now is your chance to get that sorted! (within reason I imagine)...

Ima you've been one of the biggest sceptics, & with good reason, it'd be great to see your thoughts.
Specc, you've been very passionate in your dissonance....
Can't say I've agreed with much of your logic or how it was informed, but you seem like you want the truth out of all this.
We probably won't get all the detail, but perhaps we can get "enough" to make us better informed & hence less sceptical.
And there's been many other very interesting posters too, so please add your thoughts/Qns here!

update:
Getting better! Still missing much of the great stuff I quickly scanned earlier though.
Dig-up your older thoughts/posts and add them there please folks...
Some of it's gold, & no doubt they haven't even seriously contemplated some of it! (yet)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

jalyst, The Council is planning to contact Jolla in formal way. Right now, SD69 is in charge of that task, so it might be useful if questions from the community are sent also by him.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'll try to leave the too-specifics out ;) btw i changed formatting a bit.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Sure, but at least this way the Qns are devised by, & coming directly from, the entire community.
Once done he can reformat for better clarity if needs be, and then forward them the link.

Looks neater now, thanks for that.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

According to Stefan Constantinescu, This was a misunderstanding which he caused. He mistranslated a finnish article concerning the 'Nokia Bridge' program for startups and slashgear wrote it up without checking. Ha ha.


Edit.. Sorry no idea why i've gone back 50 posts to quote and reply on this. Either I'm tired or my computer is broken.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

When are you going to submit these questions to Jolla and where will the follow up be posted?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm fine with the council deciding that if they feel it's best that our concerns/Qns are relayed via them.
Unless most prefer to proceed with our own direct Q&A with them, easy either way.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yes, that's the idea. Maybe if the questions come from "official" source, they will pay more attention to it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

So he plans to reformat the doc for clarity & send them the link, or will he just grab/rejig what's there & email them 1-1?
N.B. we already discussed why a IRC chat session with them wouldn't be optimal, & discounted it for that reason.

TY.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Don't get me wrong, but, honestly, I think that (also after having had a quick look at the questions) this is just pointless.
Having followed this thread here, I strongly believe that there should be much more patience instead of all this speculation and reading between the lines.

In a nutshell, what we know so far is that they announced a handheld device with something called "Jolla" that will be based on Mer. What they will do in the end is actually up to them.

We will see what it will be when it's done. To stress quite an old quote once more: "It's done when it's done.".

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Fair point, but someone made the suggestion & quite few liked the idea, & we've started so lets see where it goes.
Hopefully not just more epic troll territory (one can pray), at the very least a better informed picture of where things (roughly) are going.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Agree.

Plus both on interviews and on Twitter they have made it pretty clear that they don't want to give any spesifics or make any detailed promises until "it's done when it's done." I actually like that. Too many open source inspired stuff has been paraded, promised and then been turned into vaporware. Mildly optimisticly waiting to see what they have planned, once they are ready to reveal it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Thing is, they have been terrible at communicating, to the point where we now have three different and conflicting statements coming from them regarding device lockdown. So inevitably at least some people are going to draw at least some wrong conclusions. It can't hurt to give Jolla an opportunity to clarify things, if they want.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Also, some sort of early input can help them to plan community integration. Stuff about documentation, development resources and etc. Hopefully they'll avoid problems like jumping between TMO + Meego.com + Nokia-developer to gather bits of documentation and FAQs and etc. There is Mer Wiki now so I wonder what they plan to do with all that.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I see where you are coming from Wonko and you are right, Jolla will give more information when they are ready.

However I do believe that jalyst and all of those who have added to the document are trying to make something positive from out of the dog pile that this topic has turned into.

Now with all of their comments about involving the community and own CC planning to contact them, this gives US (TMO members) a chance to ask a few questions of our own. It would be a nice guesture to us if they were to acknowledge our questions, even to reply with 'no details yet'. :)