Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

So when the council has it's meeting/discussion with Jolla, you'll also refer them to the community's Qns in the Google doc?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

During last Friday meeting I handed the list of questions to Stskeeps (Mer project leader, working for Jolla) as SD69 wasn't available and I don't know if he already talked to them. Now I'm waiting for a response from him.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Nice, Stskeeps is our hero. Bring the answers as soon as possible. :)

Still don't think that it will come up something new in these question. Jolla announce stuff when they are ready.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

From the video interview it was clear that they don't want to say or promise anything they can't deliver. Which I know is at times annoying but very important.
They only reveal the information their confident about, and not give any false hopes I guess.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

At least I hope they'll answer what they can. Some points there were about the community resources like sites and etc. unrelated to their products.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I want to know if they will update the kernel ever. Anyone know which kernel they are using now/plan on using?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I surely hope they will switch to the 3.x kernels (unlike Harmattan). So far they didn't say anything about that, as well as about what hardware they'll use (which will affect the former).

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well we'll get wayland since it works with qt5.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm not so sure about Wayland. Getting ARM GPU drivers for X.org is already close to impossible, why do you think Wayland will be so easy? But if it's going to be Wayland - it will be great.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

http://wayland.freedesktop.org/qt5.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28f...k%29#Platforms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland...ned%20Adoption
Seems to be the general linux plan to go Wayland.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Plan of Linux developers, yes. But hardware manufacturers don't seem to care (so far). For example Nvidia (even on the desktop). Let alone in the mobile field. Android doesn't play a good role in it either. Most vendors publish Android GPU drivers only.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Ok you seem to be right that there is an issue here for the closed source graphics drivers
quoting from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland:

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"Will video drivers need to be rewritten for Wayland?

No. Most of the open source drivers have been undergoing rewrites in recent years to support KMS, GEM, and other modern graphics technologies which move more of the graphical functionality into the Linux kernel. Wayland leverages (and requires) these technologies; indeed the whole reason Wayland can exist is because of these changes. But those changes were underway for X in general. In the future Wayland and X will both be using the same graphics drivers.

What about the graphics drivers still in X?

Graphics drivers such as Intel, Nouveau, and Radeon include both kernel drivers and an X driver. With Wayland we only need the kernel drivers. Under the KMS/DRM/GEM architecture, that's where most of the real functionality is, such as modesetting, memory management, and graphics rendering. The remaining bits on the X side of things are used just to interface with the X server and aren't needed by Wayland.

Can Wayland be used with the closed source proprietary graphics drivers?

No, not at this time. fglrx, nvidia, psb, and other closed source drivers are developed externally to X.org and externally to Ubuntu. As far as we know, work to update them to conform to the new KMS/GEM/etc. architecture is not planned (at least, not publicly) and would need to be done before they could be used under Wayland.

According to Kristian closed drivers need 2 things:

A way to set the graphics mode (like KMS, but it could also be a standalone library)
A way to share video memory buffers (for example an EGLImage) between processes

psb already is capable of mode setting. I (adamw) don't know if it can share buffers."
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So the question is who makes the drivers for the PowerVR GPU for each SoC vendor and which SoC vendor is Jolla going to use?
TI, Samsung or something else from Asia.

In preparation for Jolla I decided to learn more about linux and qt creator. I learned a lot in just 1 day.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Sorry Jolla CEO I'm not stalking you, it's just an open source phone thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAWl9...ailpage#t=724s

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

One thing he said - they aren't making any site yet. Though I don't like such referrals to Twitter or Facebook for those who want to communicate with them. Not all use those, and if they want communication they need something else (like their own forum and etc.). If anyone can communicate it to them - please do.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Keyboard please, >3 row though the N900 pad would do in a pinch and I'll still buy it even if it's lower specs than (say) your tabletphone. Hell, maybe I'll buy both

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Can anyone with Twitter account direct this question to Jolla please (I'm not using Twitter, and they unfortunately have no other communication sites):

You said Jolla is MeeGo based. Is it through Mer or Jolla has MeeGo parts not from Mer? For Wikipedia where some are in doubt what you mean.

If anyone can pass this along to Jolla's Twitter - please post the link to the thread back here. There is a length limit on Twitter, but the question is whether Jolla OS is based on Mer (and that's what they called "MeeGo based"), or it also has some parts of the MeeGo project besides Mer and that's why they say "MeeGo based"?. Jolla's often usage of the name MeeGo creates quite a confusion.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Them using facebook or twitter the way they do makes me wonder if their idea of openness and freedom is the same as mine. After all, the reason why I'm not on such networks is the same as the reason why I don't use an iPhone: non-free, closed system.I can only hope their phone won't be 'twitterish'.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I proposed to Stskeeps to use Diaspora and Identica in addition. But I'm not sure if Jolla will do it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Do we have confermation that Jolla wants to answer or talk to Talk.Maemo.org?

from what I've reading above it seems to me that they likes the shadows. That is not a good thing.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Stskeeps will pass the questions along as soon as he'll have some time. Just wait.

So, can anyone with Twitter help out with the question above? The Wiki article is stalled because of no consensus about what Jolla means when saying they are "Meego based".

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Haven't they answered this one many times? JollaOS is based on Mer. Mer is a fork of the MeeGo codebase, henceworth by proxy JollaOS is based on MeeGo.

I don't understand what is confusing about it?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

https://twitter.com/CreamyG31337/sta...79959652769792

(you should consider getting a twitter account, actually useful in some ways)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I mean they did confusing statements like saying that it's Mer based and Meego based at the same time. That's what needs clarification.

Thanks! I did consider it, but decided not to get it for the same reason why I don't use Skype and try to avoid other proprietary networks.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

it has been answered here already if you nees clarificatipn read merproject.org

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I don't need clarification, but Wikipedia needs solid references, which atm can only be considered such when they come from Jolla.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Why is that confusing? Mer is MeeGo based, so JollaOS is MeeGo based by being based on Mer.

Are you asking this question because you don't know which way it is, or so that there is some answer that fulfills Wikipedia's criterias?

If the latter, I'm not sure if a Twitter answer is sufficient.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yes, that's how I understand it too (i.e. Jolla is Mer based, and through Mer it's related to the historic Meego project). However other Wiki editors find Jolla statements confusing or even think that Jolla means "Meego based" as something besides Mer. So they want references. Unfortunately Jolla's overusage of the name "Meego" only complicates matters.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jolla

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Please Jolla , do something about the E7 too!

great great phone

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I doubt they going for a buissniss phone :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I can understand your point. But the discussion shows me just people who understand very well that JollaOS is based on Mer, which is based on MeeGo, therefore JollaOS is based on MeeGo by "inheritance". There seems to be one guy who seems to be concerned about the copyright of the name "MeeGo" and that it shouldn't be use by Jolla because there is no permission from Linux Foundation.

Granted, I did not have the time nor patience to read any but few dozen of the comments. But if the rest is the same, I find this discussion silly.

Wikipedia should be "for the common man". MeeGo based is the more recognizable term and should be used in the article. Mer should also be referenced, but erasing MeeGo for Mer would not serve the "general public" IMO.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/08/jolla-concept-phone/
So I guess there would be 2 models i.e. one for left handed people also and I would guess the apps ui would be like a wheel where you are viewing a portion of that wheel and they spin clockwise.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

One editor there thinks that Jolla means that they use some parts of MeeGo which aren't in Mer:

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Wikipedia should be for any man even for those who have no background in the subject described in the article. Therefore Wikipedia needs to be as correct as possible, without using confusing and ambiguous statements. "Meego based" is confusing enough, given complex history of Meego and multitude of meanings that name can now have (Meego project, "Meego instances" developed by some vendors, Harmattan which Nokia called Meego, general experience of the Meego developers and so on and so forth. It's more than confusing without explanation). Saying Mer based is very clear and to the point, since it narrows down the phrase to technical derivation from the Mer project (article of which is referenced right there). Historic relation with Meego is explained as well.

Look at how the article presents it now:

The reader easily gets the idea that based on MeeGo is one thing, and based on Mer is something in addition. That's what's incorrect I think. Wikipedia should avoid such ambiguity.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

jolla should not put any buttons to the phone, i think thats one of the strength of the OS.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Thanks for the update,

Would've been better if you gave him the Google doc link, it's a live doc & there's changes being made occasionally.
There's at least several things that have been added/clarified since you handed that hard-copy to him.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I gave him the link ;).

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Stop with the talking about "the link" in 3rd person without providing it.

Page one, two, 3,.. whatever I give up and can't remember.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Huh???
It's been shared many times, including roughly around the times you've posted.
Plus how hard is it to back-track a bit, or do some searching? Anyway here it is.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

>I believe (from personal standpoint) that Jolla is based on Mer/Nemo, that in turn are based on Meego, so it is mostly about inheritance.

Br,
//Harri

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yes, Jolla answered that.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jolla's MeeGo UI is ready to go - and it's on the hunt for mobile talent
http://www.zdnet.com/jollas-meego-ui...nt-7000002728/
This is all sounding too good to be true, it aint right, he's got to be exaggerating a bit.