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mariusmssj 2012-08-16 18:16

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1252688)
Jolla's MeeGo UI is ready to go - and it's on the hunt for mobile talent
http://www.zdnet.com/jollas-meego-ui...nt-7000002728/
This is all sounding too good to be true, it aint right, he's got to be exaggerating a bit.

It really does look too good

mikecomputing 2012-08-16 18:54

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
They reallly have to come up with something BIG if they plan too take >2% of the market in two years....

If they even success to sellout Nokias upcoming WP phones I am happy....

Mostly because I want to see Elop FAIL!

Dave999 2012-08-16 19:16

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
The more I read about Jolla, the more I fail to see what they are doing.

What we need is something solid. I still want to know who is wasting the millions for this great course.

Nice concept :)
http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content...la-concept.jpg

shmerl 2012-08-16 20:01

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You can't see anything about what Jolla is doing yet. No point in speculating.

jamqpa 2012-08-17 06:17

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Android applications for Jolla with ACL-technology
Here is the secret weapon of Jolla


Finnish Jolla Mobile wants to develop a better smartphone, which immediatly has a lot of applications. The company's secret weapon, has today appeared in the magazine 3T, which is acl-technique for the upcoming MeeGo phone so Android applications can also be used.

Jollas Mobile's President and CEO Jussi Hurmola does not want to even announce the Android applications support. He reveals, however, 3T-magazine that applications can be converted to Meego with ACL technology. Hurmola says that the smartphone will also support HTML5 and Qt-based applications.

Hurmola is convinced that Meegos transparency stimulates interest in both enthusiasts and professionals. He praises the multi-tasking better than competitors. Jolla promises a whole new experience.

"Our user interface is more modern than the Android and iPhone. They have remained static for five years, but can do better, "says Hurmola to 3T Journal.

Hurmolas, a former employer of nokia, favorite phones are the Nokia N900 and N9. Even still the user interface of those two phones can still be improved.

"We are taking smart phones forward from the current opening and closing applications based user interfaces," he explains.

The first smartphone Hurmola does not reveal much. He says that a touchscreen device with 3.5-inch screen feels small, so you can expect bigger with the upcoming phone. Device is assembled by a sub-contractor, but Jolla is also hiring device engineers and designers.

Jolla and CEO Jussi Hurmolas interview is published in its entirety in 3T-journal17/08/2012

http://www.3t.fi/artikkeli/uutiset/t...n_salainen_ase

P.S. sorry for the fast google translate type of translation!

Dave999 2012-08-17 06:50

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
3,5 is small, 4,5 is for kids. Need to be at least 4,8. Bigger screen is more important without keyboard. Don't go baby size, Jolla!

OVK 2012-08-17 07:41

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Because waiting without speculating is boring... Could Jolla be aiming for something similar than what were the original plans for Harmattan?

http://phonewebz.com/maemo-harmattan...-mobile-os.htm

Dave999 2012-08-17 09:04

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1252849)
Because waiting without speculating is boring... Could Jolla be aiming for something similar than what were the original plans for Harmattan?

http://phonewebz.com/maemo-harmattan...-mobile-os.htm

That would be nice together with a real keyboard.

http://jollatides.files.wordpress.co...copy.png?w=290

ggabriel 2012-08-17 09:50

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1252841)
3,5 is small, 4,5 is for kids. Need to be at least 4,8. Bigger screen is more important without keyboard. Don't go baby size, Jolla!

Quite frankly I wouldn't like to lose the ability to handle my phone with one hand for "on the go stuff", such as maps, checking train times, etc., this is related somewhat with the size of the screen (and your hand), but also with the UI.

The N9 has been perfect for this so far, iPhone 4 is rubbish, and they are both the same size. I held a SGSII and it was "ok" (if it weren't for the UI, that is), I tried a SGSIII and I thought that was too much - walking with an umbrella in one hand and the phone in the other checking whatever you need to check is a drop risk at that size, for me at least.

Having said all this, I'd still like to have a better equivalent to the AirUI, for reading news and the like while your hands are busy eating breakfast ;-)

Dave999 2012-08-17 09:57

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
you just lacking skills. ;) Using galaxy note with one han is no problemas if you are using the right and dont holding the phone but instead just let it rest on your smallalest finger.

anyway... 4,0" is the most wanted size for jolla mobile according to this poll.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85410

mikecomputing 2012-08-17 10:30

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If jolla support ACL I hope its thirdparty app cause I dont want that **** on my phone cause if I want android I go buy some androidphone!!!

what I want is FULL suppoet for linux an Qt...

Dave999 2012-08-17 10:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1252893)
If jolla support ACL I hope its thirdparty app cause I dont want that **** on my phone cause if I want android I go buy some androidphone!!!

what I want is FULL suppoet for linux an Qt...

ACL is not an app dude...Stop trolling please.

OVK 2012-08-17 11:42

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
There's been a lot of interesting Tweeting today. :)

mariusmssj 2012-08-17 11:58

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1252881)
Quite frankly I wouldn't like to lose the ability to handle my phone with one hand for "on the go stuff", such as maps, checking train times, etc., this is related somewhat with the size of the screen (and your hand), but also with the UI.

The N9 has been perfect for this so far, iPhone 4 is rubbish, and they are both the same size. I held a SGSII and it was "ok" (if it weren't for the UI, that is), I tried a SGSIII and I thought that was too much - walking with an umbrella in one hand and the phone in the other checking whatever you need to check is a drop risk at that size, for me at least.

Having said all this, I'd still like to have a better equivalent to the AirUI, for reading news and the like while your hands are busy eating breakfast ;-)

I agree i want a phone not a brick in my hand. 3.9 on N9 is not bad i think 4.0 or 4.2 would be great, And yeah the 4.8 On galaxy S III for me very uncomfortable to use with 1 hand

mariusmssj 2012-08-17 12:00

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1252916)
There's been a lot of interesting Tweeting today. :)

A lot of Nokia employees or should i say ex-employees have resigned from Nokia. Some said it was just a click of a button to confirm resign. And some began talking about community, new challenges and Jolla. Should be interesting

Muzimak 2012-08-17 13:11

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I just hope that somehow us N9 users will benefit from their Apps :)

aironeous 2012-08-17 13:26

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Here is the ACL page at openmobile
http://openmobileww.com/products.php

shmerl 2012-08-17 14:44

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I can't see their architecture on their page, but I surely don't want any kind of proprietary black box framework on the device by default, if anything it should be optionally installable for those who need it for some reason. (In the worst case it should be safely uninstallable).

rcolistete 2012-08-17 15:04

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I am promoting via twitter mount/chroot easy of use in Jolla OS so Easy Debian could be install/run as simple as in N900 and simpler than in N9/N950. See also another twitter post.

shmerl 2012-08-17 15:10

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Please support mount/chroot use on Jolla OS without any credentials
Without any credentials is questionable. Most often mount requires sudo. And there is nothing wrong with that, since you don't want some malware going around (un)mounting stuff or messing up with your filesystems.

Morpog 2012-08-17 15:21

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Tweets from Jolla CEO:

Quote:

We @JollaMobile had some buzz around Android apps in the Finnish media. We have not actually revealed our full apps story yet.
Quote:

Qt is in the heart of #MeeGo and @JollaMobile. Stay tuned for further big Jolla news which for sure you can hear through @JussiHurmola

rcolistete 2012-08-17 16:42

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1252990)
Without any credentials is questionable. Most often mount requires sudo. And there is nothing wrong with that, since you don't want some malware going around (un)mounting stuff or messing up with your filesystems.

I wanted to say : no Aegis and need to install open mode kernel or Inception in MeeGo Harmattan. sudo use is ok, like in Maemo 5.

shmerl 2012-08-17 17:11

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
The main problem of Aegis was total lack of control from the user (even with sudo access). That kind of thing is surely not needed. If some security framework will be used it should better allow admin users to set access privileges.

jalyst 2012-08-20 07:56

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
It amazes me that people still believe anything OpenMobile has to say....
They're scam artists IMO, if you've been following them closely in the threads here/FMC & elsewhere over the last yr or so you'd know what I mean.
Besides, shortly after all the news that Jolla's definitely using OpenACL, even Jussi tweeted that their apps strategy hadn't yet been publicly shared.
I think Jolla Mobile's going to have a hard focus on how best to leverage the Qt & HTML5 ecosystems.
But secondary to that, they may also have some sort of compatibility layers for BBX and iOS apps...
There's already a compatibility layer on BBX for iOS apps that's made by a certain individual (not RIM) which hopefully will be usable by Jolla.*
Jolla implementing one for BBX apps should be relatively trivial, or perhaps they'll devise a tool that more-or-less converts them to native apps?

*I'm yet to chase this up more, someone on Twitter told me about it.

onethreealpha 2012-08-20 08:37

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Hybris.....

HELLASISGREECE 2012-08-20 09:30

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by starstuff (Post 1252381)
jolla should not put any buttons to the phone, i think thats one of the strength of the OS.

Buttons on the device's front face, no. I agree.
But a qwerty slide out keyboard would be awesome.

I still drool for the Nokia logo though. Jolla... seems random : /

Dave999 2012-08-20 11:01

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Why not create a forum or a simple web page. That would be so much better in every way?

http://www.jolla.com

Dave999 2012-08-21 11:49

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http://www.mobiiliblogi.com/wp-conte...olla_MeeGo.jpg

mrk88 2012-08-21 18:10

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1 Attachment(s)
How about this one?

kinggo 2012-08-21 18:39

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fugly...........
something with sharp corners please, like current xperia line and not this soap looking thing.

stlpaul 2012-08-21 19:04

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by starstuff (Post 1252381)
jolla should not put any buttons to the phone, i think thats one of the strength of the OS.

I personally like some buttons, and think they can be useful. For example, volume buttons so I can adjust volume of a call or music without turning on screen or looking at the phone. I much prefer button for camera zoom/focus/shot over "touch the screen to take a pic" most phones are using these days. etc.

I could use my N95 to text and write emails while phone was in my pocket, without even looking at the screen :)

That being said, the normal "android buttons", home, back, menu, can be made obsolete by on-screen elements or gestures (like N900 does).

Dave999 2012-08-21 19:41

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We need a leak...

HELLASISGREECE 2012-08-21 19:57

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrk88 (Post 1254258)
How about this one?

Nexus S , much?

Dave999 2012-08-21 20:03

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This guy looks crazy enough to be the leak...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tLdClPQpiHA/0.jpg

HELLASISGREECE 2012-08-21 20:08

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1254312)
This guy looks crazy enough to be the leak...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tLdClPQpiHA/0.jpg

hahahaha XD XD
:D

mikecomputing 2012-08-21 20:13

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Jolla world to announce they phone 7 september 2012 and will get more media attention than nokia world.... :D

HELLASISGREECE 2012-08-21 21:01

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I wonder what Marko Ahtisaari thinks of Jolla.
I believe somewhere deep inside he is happy with MeeGo being alive thanks to Jolla team.

Dave999 2012-08-22 10:02

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
This seems to be like the Tizen. First lots of information, trolling, and stuff. then...NOTHING!

What is going on?

mikecomputing 2012-08-22 10:20

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1254331)
I wonder what Marko Ahtisaari thinks of Jolla.
I believe somewhere deep inside he is happy with MeeGo being alive thanks to Jolla team.

he dont give a **** bout meego. He probadly got alot more money from elop to design wp phones.

mariusmssj 2012-08-22 15:44

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1254480)
This seems to be like the Tizen. First lots of information, trolling, and stuff. then...NOTHING!

What is going on?

It's because they announced Jolla pre-maturely.

The CEO said they planned to make an announcement much later but after the P.R.1.3 release and the whole news of MeeGo being dead they had to come out and say that's it's not dead.


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