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jalyst 2012-09-15 09:45
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Put it in your calendar for Dec/Jan+ ;) Just to clarify...
My argument is if it doesn't arrive officially, Jolla will be implemented in such a way that it facilitates the community adding it very soon after the 1st public releases.

thedead1440 2012-09-15 09:50
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1266750)
Put it in your calendar for Dec/Jan+ ;) Just to clarify...
My argument is if it doesn't arrive officially, Jolla will be implemented in such a way that it facilitates the community adding it very soon after the 1st public releases.

You don't need to quantify it to that extent anyway as its almost dead-sure that it will arrive...Unless Dave manages to bribe them into the tune of millions to avoid his signature going will it not arrive :p

Dave999 where are you? You haven't confirmed yet :D

jalyst 2012-09-15 09:53
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1266753)
You don't need to quantify it to that extent anyway as its almost dead-sure that it will arrive...Unless Dave manages to bribe them into the tune of millions to avoid his signature going will it not arrive :p
Dave999 where are you? You haven't confirmed yet :D
LOL true... :D
Anyway, I'm unsubscribing from this thread.
Happy boredom peeps, adios!

*Update*
If Oppo can release a screen with this PPI, then hopefully Jolla will be as aggressive:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Opp...oid,17494.html
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/15/o...ppi-quad-core/
I prefer they stick to 4.1-4.8", 5"+ is too big IMO, but the same PPI would be awesome.

Dave999 2012-09-15 09:58
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1266753)
You don't need to quantify it to that extent anyway as its almost dead-sure that it will arrive...Unless Dave manages to bribe them into the tune of millions to avoid his signature going will it not arrive :p

Dave999 where are you? You haven't confirmed yet :D
Confirmed what?

thedead1440 2012-09-15 10:01
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1266761)
Confirmed what?
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1282

Oh don't tell me you are backing out now? :eek:

I've held you in higher esteem than this :rolleyes: So...

Dave999 2012-09-15 10:03
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1266764)
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1282

Oh don't tell me you are backing out now? :eek:

I've held you in higher esteem than this :rolleyes: So...

Sure what's the bet?

thedead1440 2012-09-15 10:04
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1266766)
Sure what's the bet?
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1289

Regarding python support...

Dave999 2012-09-15 10:09
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1266768)
LOL,

I'm in if we are talking official support from jolla at release day. I'm happy trade my thanks myself signature for official python support.

What do I win?

thedead1440 2012-09-15 10:22
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Wow Dave999...I didn't know you found it that hard...

Post 1289 is jalyst's challenge and post 1282 is the prizes for you and him...How hard is it to read it when you have quoted my post too o.O

Dave999 2012-09-15 10:27
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1266778)
Wow Dave999...I didn't know you found it that hard...

Post 1289 is jalyst's challenge and post 1282 is the prizes for you and him...How hard is it to read it when you have quoted my post too o.O
Ok, I'm in.

Well, I came here asking a simple question about jolla/python and ended up in a one page discussion about a bet of some kind. Let's focus on jolla.

And I will remove the thank signature soon.

thedead1440 2012-09-15 10:37
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Well its just for LOLZ as you were not getting his message that python is a bang-on certainity :p

Anyway the bet will indeed be fun to administer :D

mikecomputing 2012-09-15 13:49
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1266684)
It's been mentioned by stkeeps/others several times here/elsewhere that Python's supported in MeR/Nemo, so it's likely that it'll also be supported in Jolla.
Why do you ask, is Python support important for some app/s you have in mind?
I also think python will be supported from scratch but not so sure if pyside will be officially supported? Or is pyside in mercore too?

Dave999 2012-09-15 14:42
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1266878)
I also think python will be supported from scratch but not so sure if pyside will be officially supported? Or is pyside in mercore too?
Not, sure but since Qt seems to be important to jolla, pyside will be available as well. This is important to have.

Python 2.7 and also pyside is available in mer. So im sure it will available.

sifo 2012-09-15 14:50
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
To be honest i only click on this thread to read Dave999 posts :D
keep it going Jolla !

shmerl 2012-09-16 05:01
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
There is no kick in apt-get. Only purge ;)

sifo 2012-09-16 09:08
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
i know but kick seems better :p

Dave999 2012-09-16 09:45
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
A small company like jolla should try crowed source testing. If they dont want or can afford sending realdevices they should set up virtual devices.

I would be happy to help them and that would eliminte more bugs before release. And so would you. I cant believe the vendors dont go for that.especially when it comes to firmware updates and the os is already in the open.

No bugs, no cry!

jalyst 2012-09-16 10:19
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
So suggest that idea to them via Twitter, can't hurt. I broke my rule of not reading this thread darn it! :)
They could have a small external crack team from TMO, who signs NDA's & agrees to provide feedback.

Dave999 2012-09-16 10:37
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
No, this have to come from them.

To me they are just a black hole. Nothing gets in and nothing gets out.

Plus, most of them have been locked in in the nokia world and never seen the light outside. I guess they have their way of working.

I'm waiting impatantly and judging when I find the device.

jalyst 2012-09-16 10:53
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1267317)
No, this have to come from them.

To me they are just a black hole. Nothing gets in and nothing gets out.

Plus, most of them have been locked in in the nokia world and never seen the light outside. I guess they have their way of working.

I'm waiting impatantly and judging when I find the device.
What are you talking about, they're a tiny co. that's nothing like the monolithic machine some of them came from.
Any ideas you can suggest that really are good/practical, may be helpful...

Daneel 2012-09-16 11:16
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I would love if one of the first issues to be resolved when tmo makes the foundation move is a proper ignore list for this forum.
This is really getting too tiresome to read.

MartinK 2012-09-16 11:19
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1266878)
I also think python will be supported from scratch but not so sure if pyside will be officially supported? Or is pyside in mercore too?
Since last week, the PySide package (ported by Elleo) is now part of the main Nemo repository. This means that it should be now possible to run PySide applications on Nemo without the need for adding outside repositories. :)

Considering how close will Jolla probably be to both Mer & Nemo, it should be very easy to just install the Nemo PySide package, if it is not available out of the box in the first place.

mikecomputing 2012-09-16 11:26
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1267333)
Since last week, the PySide package (ported by Elleo) is now part of the main Nemo repository. This means that it should be now possible to run PySide applications on Nemo without the need for adding outside repositories. :)

Considering how close will Jolla probably be to both Mer & Nemo, it should be very easy to just install the Nemo PySide package, if it is not available out of the box in the first place.
agree it probadly simple but would be great if it was officially supported in the "jolla SDK" and its unknown "store"

well, lets wait and see :)

mikecomputing 2012-09-16 11:35
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sifo (Post 1267180)
mikecomputing.... are you paid by Microsoft ? i cant beleive that you are a member here since 2010 and cheering up WP and MS :S

Code:
sudo apt-get kick Elop
./sifo
Dont know if u joking me or just beleived I really was a wp fanboy, anyway it was a stupid joke from my side bu its seems I actually startwd feed some trolls so I decided remove my pointless post..

so back to what this thread is about, namely jolla/meego future :)

Dave999 2012-09-16 11:41
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Do jolla select parts of mer core or just going with what mer provides?

I'm running Nemo, but when it comes to functionality. Do you think jolla planning to follow mer or try to build their own merish. And if so, what version of mer?

sifo 2012-09-16 13:16
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1267338)
Dont know if u joking me or just beleived I really was a wp fanboy, anyway it was a stupid joke from my side bu its seems I actually startwd feed some trolls so I decided remove my pointless post..

so back to what this thread is about, namely jolla/meego future :)
NO, i meant no troll, just a silly joke...:) i removed mine.
Enjoy

./sifo

pycage 2012-09-16 15:16
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1267341)
Do jolla select parts of mer core or just going with what mer provides?

I'm running Nemo, but when it comes to functionality. Do you think jolla planning to follow mer or try to build their own merish. And if so, what version of mer?
Check the Mer and Nemo commit logs and you'll find a lot of work by Jolla on Mer and Nemo.

Dave999 2012-09-16 15:41
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1267435)
Check the Mer and Nemo commit logs and you'll find a lot of work by Jolla on Mer and Nemo.
I have checked the Mer logs. But jolla most close down for release? Can't check in until release...and what version do jolla use?

dumpystig 2012-09-16 16:01
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
It's quite interesting that there are 132 pages in this thread - 132 pages of speculation.

But I reckon it just shows that there is a great amount of interest in Jolla and what device / OS they will release.

I for one am eager to see if it's as good as most of us are hoping...

BTW, that Oppo Find looks good too.

Dave999 2012-09-16 16:18
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dumpystig (Post 1267461)
It's quite interesting that there are 132 pages in this thread - 132 pages of speculation.

But I reckon it just shows that there is a great amount of interest in Jolla and what device / OS they will release.

I for one am eager to see if it's as good as most of us are hoping...

BTW, that Oppo Find looks good too.
Yep i dep. Speculation is a healthy thing and that increasing the interested even further.

132 pages is nothing if you lived during the happy days of n900 and the smaller brother n9.

What do mean with "as good as most of us hoping..." [ what's your expectations?

aironeous 2012-09-16 18:35
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
mer/pyside commits
"wrong link see next post"

Mer master
"wrong link see next post"

Wayland 1.0 is 1 to 2 months away from being released which will be a substantial improvement. Here is an hour long video of a wayland dev explaining why wayland http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTE4NTA

Wayland FAQ's (easier than watching the hour long video) geared towards ubuntu but relevent and informative here
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland

Wayland progress for QT5 (<--future Jolla), GTK+, Clutter, SDL, EFL (<--Tizen)

So I'm guessing the way things will go is Jolla will release their first phone with QT4, then Wayland port for QT5 will get released a few months later and they/us will be installing it on the Jolla phones and any other devices as it will be a nice improvement and the second or third Jolla phones will have QT5 and wayland.

Hmm wait a second I guess meegos compositor works with wayland. I really am a newbie when it comes to understanding this linux stuff.

Stskeeps 2012-09-16 18:42
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1267563)
That's from "old" Mer, FWIW. But PySide does exist for Mer and Nemo.

aironeous 2012-09-16 19:39
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
OK then this is the repo
http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb

and these are the commits
http://review.merproject.org/#q,status:open,n,z

and these are the bugs
https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=mer

mariusmssj 2012-09-17 10:12
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
1 Attachment(s)
Dave999 here you go:

Dave999 2012-09-17 11:01
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
JOLLA SDK... November, device announcment December and device release Feb 2013.

Lumiaman 2012-09-17 11:24
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
The Jokers at Jolla need to watch the movie: "Jiro Dreams of Sushi". They can learn from Jiro what it takes to be the best. This is how apple operates. This is how winners operate.

Kangal 2012-09-17 11:25
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Device delays Jan 2013, device expectant May 2013, device arrives Jul 2013, device arrives with buggy, incomplete software.

Major bug fix and software update arrives Nov 2013. People hyped about the Motorola Nexus X in Oct 2013 with Android 5.1 with Mainline Linux Kernel, and new features.

Dave999 2012-09-17 11:28
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1267882)
The Jokers at Jolla need to watch the movie: "Jiro Dreams of Sushi". They can learn from Jiro what it takes to be the best. This is how apple operates. This is how winners operate.
Noone is winner forever, luckly.

You can't dissmis jolla without giving them a chance. New OSes should always be supported by users, at least until you tried it. You can't fly, jump or rule before walking.

The Wizard of Huz 2012-09-17 14:18
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Maybe it's time to change the name to "Mega Jolla Thread".
:-)

Dave999 2012-09-17 14:56
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wizard of Huz (Post 1267970)
Maybe it's time to change the name to "Mega Jolla Thread".
:-)
This is a decision for the king of the thread. Mr www.rzr.online.fr.

Whats wrong with the current one?


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