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Dave999 2012-10-07 06:17
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Let's hope we don't see to many dists and uis too early in the game. User base must be solid and sailfish must be established.

Need atleast a few iterations before going with in ui.

bwalter 2012-10-07 10:04
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1277476)
There's still effort in what it takes to really productize something that can't easily happen in pure open source projects (IPR, codec licensing, added value, etc) and I think that's where Sailfish comes in.
I guess Sailfish is mostly the solution found by Jolla to create a large "ecosystem", as they like to repeat (and also as an answer to Elop's concerns about Meego's ecosystem). The main goal would be then to create a common app store but it involes also a little bit more. Some UI stuff, as well as a way to make the apps safe must be added, ...

Dave999 2012-10-07 11:33
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
So this first phone might be Demo phone and it's up to partner to great ui and adjust the OS to their market. Will be intressting to see what functionality jolla phone has. Might be some kind of user beta or devphone even if the say it publicly. Do Bad we don't have even a leaked image.

HELLASISGREECE 2012-10-07 12:15
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1277321)
Tizen 1.0 has been out for a long time, and Tizen 2.0 will be released by the end of the year. You just don't read much about it because people don't get very excited about Tizen and there are no (non-developer) devices yet...
First of all , thank you for the informative reply.
Yes, Tizen 1.0 exists as an Operating system.

The thing is he haven't seen it on a device in the market nor do we have info about when it will exist.
: (

danramos 2012-10-07 12:21
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sfiet_Konstantin (Post 1277140)
Jolla Os will be the first incarnation of an OS based on the Sailfish platform. It will integrate Jolla user experience and Jolla services. The system seems to be closed-source, but Jolla said that they might open as much as possible the device.
Oh God! This sounds eerily familiar.

thedead1440 2012-10-07 12:22
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1277583)
Oh God! This sounds eerily familiar.
Familiar people do familiar things :p

Anyway lets hold on to our horses...Stskeeps comments show that Jolla do believe more in a Community then pre-Elop Nokia ever did...

Dave999 2012-10-07 12:26
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1277584)
Familiar people do familiar things :p

Anyway lets hold on to our horses...Stskeeps comments show that Jolla do believe more in a Community then pre-Elop Nokia ever did...
Isn't he paid for saying things like that ;)

Will be intressting to see what they are doing toghter with the Community in the future. Where is the leaked image of the phone?

thedead1440 2012-10-07 12:30
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1277585)
Isn't he paid for saying things like that ;)

I'm not sure...It seemed like he was on the MeR side of things but not within Jolla...However, look thru' his record and he's quite a nice fella so him giving out half-truths while *possible* seems quite unlikely...


Edit: Also, he has always shown an affinity for the greater good of the Community so some $ seems unlikely to change a person's character...

Dave999 2012-10-07 12:38
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I don't need look at his record. I know he is a solid character.

Didn't mean that in a bad way either. But it should be clear what involvement and what he knows. I just don't like when people say something just becouse they can without any real information, without any solid information or specifics its just. WHAT IS HE SAYING? :confused:

Anyway its great to have him around

HELLASISGREECE 2012-10-07 12:47
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Tizen , Sailfish, BB10, Meltemi (r.i.p.) , Open Web OS....

so many great options but we (mortals) can't have a taste.
bad times to be a "niche mobile OS" entusiast : (

MartinK 2012-10-07 13:09
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1277595)
Tizen , Sailfish, BB10, Meltemi (r.i.p.) , Open Web OS....

so many great options but we (mortals) can't have a taste.
bad times to be a "niche mobile OS" entusiast : (
And there are also Mer, Nemo, Plasma Active, Cordia, SHR, Qt Moko & company doing their things in the open and looking for contributors. :)

Some of them also support running in a VM, so not having a compatible device is not a total blocker.

Dave999 2012-10-07 13:45
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Day 4 at the sea with Hurmola and Elop.

http://imageshack.us/a/img411/4149/g...mysailfish.png

Dave999 2012-10-08 21:15
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
" Finnish MeeGo developers to demonstrate user interface, share SDK at start-up event; commercial launch planned for spring 2013."

What does this mean. Sailfish or the first mobile device hits the markets?

Edit: http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=476787

mariusmssj 2012-10-09 07:36
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1278159)
" Finnish MeeGo developers to demonstrate user interface, share SDK at start-up event; commercial launch planned for spring 2013."

What does this mean. Sailfish or the first mobile device hits the markets?

Edit: http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=476787
They will just show off their OS UI, the phone will be announced at the end of the year so I'm quite sure that the first phone will come from Jolla and then in spring 2013 they will begin to license the "Sailfish" OS to other EOM's

Zoxir 2012-10-09 08:27
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1277580)
First of all , thank you for the informative reply.
Yes, Tizen 1.0 exists as an Operating system.

The thing is he haven't seen it on a device in the market nor do we have info about when it will exist.
: (
Tizen devices were supposed to come out on Q4 2012 but Samsung recently announced that they will focus on Android and Win Phail 8 for now and that Tizen devices will arrive in early 2013

Dave999 2012-10-09 10:13
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
So it will be jolla vs tizen early 2013. Would be better if they worked together and release a common device capable of running both OS.

Zoxir 2012-10-09 10:31
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Real cause - Because Samsung doesn't care much about jolla and meego or salifish

Personal Opinion - Because the idea of tizen sucks and also done before (WebOS).

thedead1440 2012-10-09 10:38
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1278318)
Real cause - Because Samsung doesn't care much about jolla and meego or salifish

Personal Opinion - Because the idea of tizen sucks and also done before (WebOS).
As a OEM a corporation cares only for what makes it $$$...

Android is bringing in the big bucks now so why go for Tizen etc...Spend time developing it then spend more time producing devices and lastly spend time marketing something that won't even touch Andrdoid's sales...An all-round loss...

When Android growth for Samsung starts to slow, they'll look into some alternatives or jump on whichever bandwagon is the hottest...

After all, Samsung is a OEM instead of a software Company...

Dave999 2012-10-09 10:57
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Day 5 at sea. Hurmola and elop discussing windows 8.

http://imageshack.us/a/img593/769/burncu.png

don_falcone 2012-10-09 10:59
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1278325)
Android is bringing in the big bucks now so why go for Tizen etc...Spend time developing it then spend more time producing devices and lastly spend time marketing something that won't even touch Andrdoid's sales...An all-round loss...

When Android growth for Samsung starts to slow, they'll look into some alternatives or jump on whichever bandwagon is the hottest...
Yeah, that surely worked for a certain well-known (ex-? )Finnish conglomerate:

sed s/Android/Symbian/g
sed s/Samsung/Nokia/g

thedead1440 2012-10-09 11:00
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1278332)
Yeah, that surely worked for a certain well-known (ex-? )Finnish conglomerate:

sed s/Android/Symbian/g
sed s/Samsung/Nokia/g
Code:
diff Nokia Samsung

--- Nokia: Symbian to WP
+++ Samsung: Symbian to Android

MartinK 2012-10-09 11:11
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1278311)
So it will be jolla vs tizen early 2013. Would be better if they worked together and release a common device capable of running both OS.
Well, it looks like the other parties in Tizen already have quite a hard time working together with Samsung:
Intel: Samsung Clobbering Others With Tizen

ranbaxy 2012-10-09 11:14
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1278311)
Would be better if they worked together and release a common device capable of running both OS.
If at all something like that is gonna happen, I would love if Samsung stay away from designing the phone. I seriously don't want to see a curvy gay phone running Tizen/MeeGo :mad:

Dave999 2012-10-09 11:34
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1278337)
Well, it looks like the other parties in Tizen already have quite a hard time working together with Samsung:
Intel: Samsung Clobbering Others With Tizen
Nothing strange here. Always the same in all projects. Someone has to make the discission. We dont know tizen is managed. Same with jolla, What have they done with mer? We might not approve.

Stskeeps 2012-10-09 13:17
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1278345)
Nothing strange here. Always the same in all projects. Someone has to make the discission. We dont know tizen is managed. Same with jolla, What have they done with mer? We might not approve.
Mer is meritocratic and technically driven, code is king with open governance

If you disagree, you're free to make your own build.

tissot 2012-10-09 13:22
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1278345)
Nothing strange here. Always the same in all projects. Someone has to make the discission. We dont know tizen is managed. Same with jolla, What have they done with mer? We might not approve.
Seems to be heading exactly the same route as the mangled decision making that Symbian Foundation and MeeGo where.

I so wish Nokia had not gone for the similar kind of trees and butterfly open management projects with those two. Should have learned with Symbian Foundation already.

PMaff 2012-10-09 13:38
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1233293)
If they are trying to make a tablet (4in-10in)... this could be ambitious.
I think they should use a current product and expand on it, something like the Ainol Novo7 Elf2 would make the prime kickstarter:
~ $99
- Decent quality 1024x600 LCD
- 1.4GHz Dual-Cortex A9 (40nm)
- Mali-400 (dualcore gpu)
- 1GB DDR3 RAM
- 16GB NAND, microSD, microHDMI, microUSB-HOST
- Wifi bgn, BT, 2MP camera, gyro, speaker, mic, headset
- 3,700mAh (with dedicated charge port)
Or wait, till the Nexus 7 fullfills the above requirements (microSD, microHDMI,microUSB-HOST, perhaps 32GB) and then rip off Android and put on something like Maemo 6 or
MeeGo. ;)

Dave999 2012-10-09 13:39
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
w
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1278373)
Mer is meritocratic and technically driven, code is king with open governance

If you disagree, you're free to make your own build.
It was an example. Might Not be the best one.

Still someone must be behind the code and make decisions unless the code generates its own code :)

Stskeeps 2012-10-09 14:05
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1278385)
w

It was an example. Might Not be the best one.

Still someone must be behind the code and make decisions unless the code generates its own code :)
Mer had a bootstrap process :)

Zoxir 2012-10-09 14:06
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1278325)
As a OEM a corporation cares only for what makes it $$$...

Android is bringing in the big bucks now so why go for Tizen etc...Spend time developing it then spend more time producing devices and lastly spend time marketing something that won't even touch Andrdoid's sales...An all-round loss...

When Android growth for Samsung starts to slow, they'll look into some alternatives or jump on whichever bandwagon is the hottest...

After all, Samsung is a OEM instead of a software Company...
One does not just snap his fingers and come up with an alternative lol. The alternative must be ready or else you will end up like micronokia

Samsug is making a faktone of money now and they can afford to invest it wherever they want. So tizen can be there when androind is not an option any more.

Dave999 2012-10-09 16:56
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Device details by Christmas.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/04/j...november-21st/

while waiting check out the cool space dive record:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/09/w...ve-right-here/

Dave999 2012-10-10 08:11
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
SDK release is what I'm looking for. Devices are secondary ATM.

Dave999 2012-10-10 11:40
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
No news of the phone or sdk or Jolla.com. Seems that they took a month of and be back at work around the 10th of November to prepare for the presentation.

MINKIN2 2012-10-10 12:49
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
So what projects do you guys have planned for the Jolla OS that are reliant on the SDK? Could you not start developing for Mer already, in preparation for an easy port for your work?

Dave999 2012-10-10 13:03
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
You could but you are flying blind. you don't know what Jolla is up to so not before they release some reliable sdk info and supported api s.

Edit: and a actuall devices with keyboard as well is a must for me.

HELLASISGREECE 2012-10-10 13:17
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1278465)
Device details by Christmas.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/04/j...november-21st/

while waiting check out the cool space dive record:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/09/w...ve-right-here/
Will it be the spiritual son of the N900?
let's hope it will

Dave999 2012-10-10 13:24
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1278808)
Will it be the spiritual son of the N900?
let's hope it will
Yes, anything else is unacceptable!

kollin 2012-10-10 13:55
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1278811)
Yes, anything else is unacceptable!

What about a 'spiritual daughter' instead :D:D

Dave999 2012-10-10 14:27
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kollin (Post 1278826)
What about a 'spiritual daughter' instead :D:D
That's acceptable too.

shmerl 2012-10-10 16:03
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
SDK wise you can already use Mer SDK with Nemo image. That's what Jolla advised to do for your current development until they'll release Jolla images. I.e. no point to wait for anything - changing code targeted for Nemo to being targeted for Jolla is supposed to be a minor change.


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