Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You look for investors bit differently than just community, if these are Ex Nokia people they already have plenty of contacts around the world

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Sure i didn't mean the community. If you are starting and expanding fast you must have lots of money. Otherwise you taking it slow to be sure you can deliver something while looking for investers everywhere unless you have i t covered.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

No. Calling it Mer would be factual. Shouting aloud MeeGo is smart marketing. They're riding on the goodwill that N9 generated. And on the disappointment that it wasn't continued.

If they would just say they're bringing a Mer based product on the market, there would be excitement in TMO and some smallish geek circles. Now there's much larger pool of interested people.

Of course, most people who recognize MeeGo from N9 think about the innovative UI, and Jolla will have different UI. So in that kind of sense it has a chance to backfire if the UI is a disappointment.

But on the whole I think it's a smart move to shout MeeGo for the time being. The time to educate about Mer is later IMO. It's good to remember that N9 itself wasn't really MeeGo but Maemo with MeeGo compatibility. In fact, looks like Jolla is more an offspring of MeeGo than Harmattan IMO.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Wonder if they are gonna use something x86 like from aava to get something out fast?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Sure, they can't be Harmattan's offspring, since all closed parts there are owned by Nokia. So it's rather Meego proper offspring through Mer.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm glad that community is for this project, even i am not active member i still read what you write.

Also if i can help i will do it.

This is really good news for Free Software, and what is more important MeeGo is alive. Well it has never died. You can't kill free software project.

If "new" MeeGo could be installed on N9 that would be great. :)

@OffTopic
@Dave999 Why in the seven suns you thank yourself on every post?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This first step is is all about marketing, get the Jolla brand name out there. Meego is a name that people know about, and in general associated with the critically acclaimed N9. So the fact that those Meego division workers, who built the N9, have formed Jolla is a concept that the technoratii can understand and buy into and thus help generate a buzz around the new company.

Now I accept that in reality Harmattan is built on a maemo core and apparantly Nokia had to argue to get Meego compliance, but if you read the general tech articles about the N9, they nearly always say Meego phone. These lazy/ignorant-about-maemo-and-meego tech journalists will know very little about mer, heck go read through the irc #mer logs from the last couple of days and see how many people going there with a n900 think that mer = nemomobile so might = jollamobile, to see how confusing the whole story is for the uninitiated.

And in reality it's not even a lie to call it Meego based. The Meego code was used as the basis for the mer project, as was the Meego community ethos. They've also been clear to say that they're building their platform on the mer core.

One of the next steps will be to launch their os name and device codename, this will be the time when they lessen the emphasis on Meego, but even then they will need to keep the name in the back of people's minds to help them understand the Story.

As a contrast, the buzz around Vivaldi was fantastic, but the story didn't generate the same level of excitement in non-linux circles because the story there was KDE, not mer, not Meego. Maybe they missed a trick ;).

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Was this posted? (And this?)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Agree with you.

Why I thank myself?

Some would say I do it because I seek attention, some say I do it for a being fun.

But the real answer is: because I can.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I know, but I think many here are thinking they are going to get an even better n9 when really, right now, something released by Jolla would be n9 minus nokia swipe ui, minus nokia maps, etc etc etc way on down the line.

Don't get me wrong i am all for what they are trying to do, but I think skepticism is more apropos than joyousness. There is a long way to go. The only way I see them releasing something this year is on an x86 reference platform with a pretty simple UI and maybe not even gsm connectivity.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I think they are actually working with Nemo mobile to use the previously accumulated effort in handset targeted releases.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This hasn't been posted here, but as it's a tasty rumor why not add it. From MyNokiaBlog comments:

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Oh yeah I know what you mean now xD well if they open donations page i am willing to help out

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

There is a high possibility that Jolla is being funded by Nokia as well, as a Plan B for them, reason why it is located next to Nokia's main campus...if this is true, more interesting as this proceeds.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I think it's just normal message body text formatted in similar way than those thank you lists. However the font is larger and if somebody actually thanks Dave, the name won't be displayed in same context. This was the case in same previous post.

So it's just kind of clever trolling. :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

RDamn it, you just learned about the uncanny valley. Good call!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The project is helped from NOKIA starter project. But i think they have some other partners. These dudes know what to do and they have connections from mobile industry. This is the real deal as i see it. And you(community) should help them. I will for sure. :)

@Dave999 Hmm, i did not think about it in that context, i can so i will do it. So continue. :) You have the right on it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I might have mentioned amazon a little earlier?
Jolla + ACL + amazon....

High end OS with instant "ecosystem" and app market...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

totally agree with gerbick.

all i ask is a way to allow some threads/boards to keep focus purely on dev talk (for bugs, experimental builds etc.), to seperate user support from development. be it a different sub-board or a minimum karma. just get tired of seeing stuff like cssu-thumb where people are installing kernel-power in place of the correct kernel and don't know why it doesn't work.

additionally, a bug tracker that is used and maintained by *all* hosted projects. its annoying when your looking through page after page to see if an issue is reported or fixed because a project doesn't list or check a bug tracker.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

lolz, I wounder how many ppl did u troll :p

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

There's almost no possibility that this is a Plan B for Nokia. Stop taking those delusional fanboi dreams on Mynokiablog.com seriously. If Nokia wanted Meego/Linux to be their Plan B, it would have been simpler to not fire Meego people, not to kill all internal Linux projects, not to start divesting away from Qt, not to have CEO giving interviews about never returning to Meego, not to have the Plan B based on 5 dudes in a basement, etc etc etc.

They were using Nokia Bridge money, but so were almost all people who were fired during the Elopcalypse. They can't all be Plan Bs.

Location near NRC means nothing. Ruoholahti is full of high tech corporations ('Slush valley', ie. northern Silicon valley). Their adress is in a building that provides office space for small startups. Its also the newest of Ruoholahti's latest batch of big office buildings. Just the type of address that a new finnish high tech startup is expected to have. No Nokia link required.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The "old nokia" that we is used to love don't exists anymore.. bye bye. Forget nokia!

The "new nokia" is now one more sillicon valley corporation since elops arrived.

So, forget Nokia and lets look forward. I hope Jolla capture the magic that Nokia used to have pre-elops

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Would be interesting if they were funded by Rovio...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I don't see how you will not be patent trolled (sued) by Microhard if you ship out your product with ACL included or even easily available as an app. They will say you are making in essence an android phone and still violating their lame inapplicable patents that are just an excuse to sue other mobile companies because they are losers in the mobile market. I don't want to see Microsoft put a hole in your dingy.

Microsoft claims collecting royalties on 70% of all Android devices

The patents they used to sue B&N
Here or here

Detailed breakdown of how MS basically bullied android manufacturers with their patent trolling using lame patents







http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...on-cartoon.jpg

ignore him ^

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I dearly hope that the Harmattan UX gets a second life through Jolla. Surely a licensing option is possible.

Nokia has nothing to lose from licensing Harmattan Swipe UX to Jolla now that Meltemi is kaput. What a waste it would be if Nokia hoards the UX, never to be seen in a commercial device again.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

no ui can be better than swipe on n9. Jolla, it is time to copy, use or license it. Nokia will not sue you:)

i need a pure touch(no button) os with swipe to go back to homescreen. Ipod nano have this basic feature if i am not wrong.

It will be a waste if we never see swipe again.

Btw maemo6 ui concept revealed in 2009 is not too bad.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

@JollaMobile not sure if this was asked,saw Tizen mentioned, will there be any involvement in the Nemo project?

Jolla ‏@JollaMobile

@tiberiuromanti We are involved in the community, and also with ‪#nemomobile‬ from the beginning. Check who is making the releases ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

And now imagine in addition to ACL they license Nokia Drive. The code is there, it would run 1:1 on Mer (still Qt after all).

And heck, all Windows Phone licensees will get Nokia Drive with WP8, why shouldn't it be possible for Jolla to get it?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I hope they would use ARM with NEON at least, just a hope.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Finnish market journal called Kauppalehti has an interesting article about Jolla and little bit about the financing they have this far

http://www.kauppalehti.fi/omayritys/...s/201207211719

Quick translation to english (rest is google translated cause my time ran out):

MeeGo is "a hobby worth 10 millions"

The financing of Jolla-company is a mystery, although they have promissed to release a new MeeGo smartphone with a quick schedule. An expert thinks, that their plans are possible to implement and achieve because a functional software is already existing.

Manufacturing a MeeGo phone and getting it to break through the market require some capital, but CEO of Jolla, Jussi Hurmola, right now refuses to tell about the donors and the amounts. Fuss around the company, founded last year by ex-nokians, have been increasing since the company told last weekend that they will publish a MeeGo phone of their own later this year.

According to Hurmola, financing for the first phase is ready and done, when the first device will be launched for market. The money will be spent for example to research and development, marketing, manufacturing and also to mezzanine financing, with a result of working and complete device.

"In a modern world, It doesn't anymore require so huge amounts of money. It is like a hobby worth of ten million euros", says Hurmola.

According to six months old financial statements, the company still seems quite modest: the amount of invested capital is 103 700 euros and they have about 89 000 euros cash in store. According to Trade Register data, the capital still is 2500

"There have been lots of changes. The information about the company is outdated", says Hurmola. "We have both domestic and foreign private investors. Private for the reason that we are able to keep the companys strategy in our hands."

Research director Pekka Ylä-Anttila of Economy Research Institute (Elinkeinoelämän tutkimuslaitoksen (ETLA)) is surprised by the news, but thinks the project is possible

"A functional operating system already exists so making and arranging a phone with this quick schedule is feasible", Ylä-Anttila says.

What Ylä-Anttila thinks is interesting is that Nokia still owns lots of MeeGo patents and the upcoming product will become a competitor to Nokia in to the already very crowded mobile phone market.

"My point of view is that the device now in development is made for very narrow customer field. Is the device ment to be for Linux-geeks or will they implement something new into the device what other competitors are not able to provide, is difficult to assess at this stage.

Ecstasy and major changes

The former director of Nokia Tomi Ahonen, now influences in Hong Kong, praises Jolla on Twitter: "All investors, Jolla is the possibility, which you have been waiting for, when you began to follow me (on Twitter). Please find out about it."

According to Wall Street Journal, Jolla is a strong player with a number of employers from Nokia's MeeGo team, including chief engineer Marc Dillon and product manager Jukka Eklund .

Hurmola says that the company currently has approximately 50 employees and by the end of the year a hundred. Main sections are calculated firm's payroll for the occupants. In addition, the company uses a number of sub-contractors, and discussions with large partners are well advanced.

Hurmola says that the unit of production carried out in collaboration with major international companies, which design and produce products that other companies are marketing their own brand names.

MeeGo system is familiar from the Nokia N9.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

M$ would just waste their time suing the new MeeGo xD at this point in time MeeGo is no threat for them, tbh it would be better for them if MeeGo would kick off well get fame for them to sue later on



@jamqpa so what about the news in Finland are peple getting behind the whole things excited to have a Finish to finally make true Finish phones ???

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I think the Mer project, if they want to stay vendor-focused, will not be the focus of a large community. You will have engineers from vendors working on the parts of the project that concern them, and hopefully contributing back, but it will be fairly dry and business-like.

I'm not sure the Jolla community, if there is to be one, should form around Mer. The communities that form around open consumer products look very different from what was happening on meego.com.

I agree with many of the other contributers to this thread: TMO in its pre-MeeGo heyday was an amazing thing to behold. For every troll it seems there was some hacker genius giving back to the community. (Not to say that the spirit has gone from TMO, but it is much muted in these sunset days)

Oh and

WHAT HE SAID.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Agreed, but at least it's possible to properly participate on this level now. Even the stuff in base is areas that people end up touching somehow. Mer's vendor focused, yes, but honestly, there's not terribly much difference between what a commercial contributor and a passionate hobbyist is doing, in practical output.

But as I said, stay tuned for more information.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Have you bothered to read this thread?

No, it will not have Harmattan SwipeUI cause its Nokia properiaty. It may have SOME of the ideas taken from WebOS and Harmattan. (Swipe up to close apps for example)

but dont expect eventview etc...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

In my opinion Jolla has received very positive reception and feedback from Finnish people when you look on the newspapers, forums, internet articles and their comment sections. Of course, there are some people who are saying that this is not even worth trying but overall reception has been very positive and admiring.

People wants to give Jolla credit for trying. Also I think Finnish people are a bit frustrated about Nokias current situation and the decision they made year and a half ago which is not turning out as well as predicted.

People wants to see the "what if they would have chosen differently" -case and now it is possible with Finnish company with the same people behind Nokia N9 and MeeGo (Harmattan), which also received very positive reception when it was launched.

I'm also very happy and excited about this :) Love my N9! But, we'll see.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I see alot people want to donate to Jolla.

Personally I dont think Jolla is needing money atm.

What they need is Qt and MER and a comunitty who drives those projects forward.

What scares me a bit is Qt? Whom is paying for qt-projects.org site now when Nokia seems to pull out the plug? Whom will take over the engineers working with QT inside Nokia after latest cut?

Are there any plan to restart Trolltech?

Yes I know there i plenty of companys using Qt, for example RIM. But RIM seems to be doomed very soon to... So Qt really needs to have some backup...

Without QT no Jolla, so we have to start contribute to QT5 IMHO...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That's not to say engineers don't have fun, because I certainly do (both on #qt-labs, and #mer for instance). But the geekier you get, the more strange the sense of humour becomes, I guess. I'd still certainly not call it exactly dry :-)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Just like the banks were too big to fail, Qt is "too good to die". You might not see a corporate overlord the size of Nokia again, but I'd say that for many reasons, that might not be a bad thing.

There are a large number of people (and that number is growing) who are not paid by Nokia to work on Qt (disclaimer: I'm one of them). If you look at qtbase (where those numbers are the highest), then Nokia contributions account for around 60% of the total activity. This isn't so much because Qt development has been slowing down (though it has lately, with the push towards 5.0 release), but because a lot of other people have been pushing their work forward.

http://www.macieira.org/~thiago/qt-s...r.relative.png

Take a look at the other stats on http://www.macieira.org/blog/qt-stats/.

tl;dr, don't worry, everything will be fine, thanks to Jolla, and other companies/individuals interested in the future of Qt. But by all means, come contribute.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I continue translating Finnish articles :)

This one is from IT-viikko (roughly translated IT-week). There is interesting part about the patents and that Nokia might have given some patents for people leaving the company..

http://www.itviikko.fi/teknologia/20...us/201233217/7


Does Jolla have a solution to shortage of applications? "An interesting response"

Jolla, founded onto the ruins of Nokias MeeGo, is not saying how the company will get enough applications for their upcoming Jolla-device and operating system. CEO of Jolla says in an interview, made by IT-week, that the company is considering a break from the formerly known device categories.

Mobile phone manufacturer Jollas CEO Jussi Hurmola remains silent about the ways how their MeeGo based operating system will compete with the amount of applications against Googles Android and Apples iOS.

"It is quite clear that we need to have the answer to this question. And we have one but it is, however, that much interesting that we will tell it upon the release", Hurmola smiles secretly.

Hurmola does not want to comment on whether the applications built for Nokia N9 will work with their Jolla-devices or is Jolla trying to create completely new ecosystem of their own.

The amount and the quality of the Third-party applications determine the extent the popularity of smart phones. For example, Nokia and Microsoft are stepping up the Microsoft Phone in application development with millions of euros.

Jolla said this weekend that it will publish this year a new MeeGo-based Smartphone. The company is based on the former people of nokia, who worked with Nokia's likely to remain as the only MeeGo phone, the Nokia N9.

According to Hurmola, the negotiations with manufacturers have gone a long way. Jolla is going to tell soon who is the manufacturer for their devices.

"I want to thank Nokia"

Jolla is one of the companys, which are founded within Nokias Bridge -program. Bridge -program is targeted to people who have been or are at risk of getting fired.

"I would definitely like to thank Nokia. Nokia and Jolla is in a good and open relationship", Hurmola says.

"Jolla is founded inside the Nokias Bridge -programs incubator. At that time we presented our strategy and received approval to it from Nokia", he continues.

Nokia has also shared their patents for people leaving the company, so that they could ground new business activity with the patents.

At the time, Jolla has approximately 50 workers in Tampere and in Helsinki. Hurmiola believes that at the end of year privately financed Jolla will employ over 100 people.

"We are considering a break with"

In addition with the first phone coming later this year, Jolla is already planning for the next following phone models. Hurmola says that Jolla "is listening very strongly the signals coming from the market."

"We are considering a serious break with from the so-called smartphones. But first we however will do our phone that is released later this year", he says.

"My own opinion is that the categories of devices are changing every year. Also the amount of smartphone users is increasing all the time. It is interesting to see what kind of new device categories there will be in the market in near future"

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Bernd Wachter ‎has been answering questions on FB:

"We're basing on Mer/Nemo, which already works on N9, N900 and other hardware. Community efforts to port this base to other phones are ongoing."

Me: "Do Nokia have a patent on Swipe-type UI or can you implement that too?"
Bernd Wachter: "I can't comment on anything UI related at this point, you'll have to wait for official statements when we're closer to launching the device, sorry."

https://www.facebook.com/groups/3203...1128597976611/