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group is not official, but 15th comment on that post.
so...idk, really

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He is not but apparently the guy who posted the comment is, Bernd Wachter. Engineer at jolla.
Some other comments he made:

"I am a Jolla employee. This statement should not be read as "the device will be locked""

"I can only repeat what I already said: This statement is supposed to be read as 'the average customer lacks the skill to hack the kernel', and to emphasize that we never announced that we will lock the device. Before you get annoyed with us: Please check sources when reading news articles, to see if there might be translation errors from Finnish articles. Re-read carefully, especially when english is not your mother-tongue, and bear in mind that some or all parties involved in the interview might not be native speakers as well."

"Please read my comments, I already clarified it in more than one post. One last time: According to Merriam-Webster dictionary one definition of 'able' is 'having sufficient power, skill, or resources to accomplish an object'. If you apply this definition to the sentence mentioned you should come to the conclusion that the statement was "Consumers don't have the skill to hack the device", not -- what you constantly repeat -- consumers will be prevented from hacking the device."

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I can confirm that Bernd is an employee and this is accurate.

Think 'developer mode' that doesn't suck and enables you to flash own OS/kernel if you want.

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Thank-you. Which was exactly my point in my first post here...

Exactly, the people that still don't get this but have been reading the main thread & other main sources.
Well, I can only assume they have very poor reading comprehension or they just enjoy flame-baiting.

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Bang on the money with both points.
Easier to argue here where you have a captive audience, than at the pub where you might get a black eye for you stupidity...

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Generally speaking, people seem to have forgetten that this is a tiny startup that suddenly got 10k+ twitter followers and a flood of interviews and media attention from all the way to the Wall Street Journal.

Their communication capabilities have been totally overreached. Lets just wait until they got something to show and judge them on that basis. Right now I would prefer that they communicate even less and instead focus on finishing the product and business plans. Both the positive hype and (especially) scepticism on maemotalk has gone totally overboard.

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Might I suggest that they try to get their PR message together and put it on an official website or something rather than badly translated interviews and random posts on twitter and facebook?

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That's reasonable, but it doesn't excuse the sheer FUD due to folks who can't or won't read.
Not talking about the MANY MORE who haven't read or know, not entirely their fault.

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FUD? if Jolla knew the basics of communication things would be much better.

What he did was to say one thing, then turn 180 degree and say what he really meant was the opposite! Grow up! or at least learn basic communication. Stop talking in half finished sentences and half truths is a good start.

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looking at the responses here i can honestly say i totally agree with the tags...sometimes its about broadening your own vision...

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Okay you're right, totally terrible communication, they should just give up now while they're behind.
Argument done and dusted, you win, now can we go back to the main thread please.

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Good idea, but you should be telling it to them instead of us.

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If they are so into open source and the community (as they all of the sudden started being), why aren't they here, at least one of them. If for no other reason than to set things straight.

Just some short straight sentences of what to expect wouldn't hurt.

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There we go, now please close this thread !

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Not good enough. They have to come here and tell us "in person" !

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We did, but nobody seems to listen..

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Cheers, looks like pretty proactive & clear communication.
Please report your post to the mods, I've reported one of mine here.
The more that do, the greater the chance they'll close this redundant thread.
Don't everyone do it, that may just piss them off! :-)

C'mon now, now you really are just flame-baiting ;)

I hear/feel ya :rolleyes:

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Here's a thought: why don't we do our own interview? We could collect questions here and once we have a good set have the council forward them via email, or perhaps a moderated chat on #maemo-meeting?

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Hahaha this guy! Let's also ask them to send all of us prototypes so we can physically verify this! :D

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Great idea, MyNokiaBlog has recently done this, it has many members from this commune, but TMO-centric would be better
But collect them in the original thread & close this one....

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It's a great idea, but do we have to ask the Council to do this? They've got their work cut out with the whole transition thing and to heap more work might be unkind.

I think the moderated chat idea might be far better so people ca ask what they like, and Jolla can answer what they want to. Although can we already do that at #jollamobile?

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Please don't feed the troll...

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Yes they should have a site but setting up such proffesionell site is not done in a week, they can't just setup a random "wordpress site" with all the attention they had gotten latelly.

Give them some time for got sake. Have anyone here ever tried to setup a new company? I doubt....

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Better to formulate a list of Qns systematically, instead of devising them on-the-spot in a chat session...
Even if we had pre-formulated Qns, still best to let them have time to mull over them, instead of having to answer "real-time" in a chat session.
Even if they had time to mull over them before the chat session, it's still all a bit messy, not to mention exlusionary.
The thread's best suited IMO, we can link to a Google doc or wiki from it, so we have one central repository in which to place all our thoughts/Qns.
Then when done we can send the link & they can answer in-line, or directly in the thread, whatever suits.

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jalyst i think you should start a thread where people can post their suggested questions then accordingly create a wiki for it....if everyone from the very beginning starts editing the wiki, its going to be a mess and some people as we have seen earlier today will just be posting madness...

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Okay I've placed a link to a google doc in the main thread here.
If others strongly disagree with this approach for some reason we can do something else, doesn't bother me either way.

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Fremantle?

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or simply don't have the time to read nearly 1'000 posts...
:rolleyes:

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not yet locked :-O :S (how to add tags? :D)

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Nice of you to conveniently omit the sentence before the one you quoted:

Anyway, why flog a dead horse, we're going to get answers to many of the lingering Qns now.
Which should hopefully make people at least a bit happier...

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Can't make strawberry jam out of cowsh*t.
the people complaining loudest have already been given the answers, but unlike most of us, have chosen to ignore them.

If nothing else this, and the other Jolla thread has allowed me to add some new idiots to my blocked list

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So with the closed/open discussion behind us, I want to see the device now.

Or at least a few screens.

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:D Fair enough. But you are a soft spoken person. What is needed is load and clear speech, accurate and precise. That's the only thing working to clear these woods of all the trolls ;)

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You can create tags after you reach 300 posts.

Keep plugging away, you are almost there mate :)

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This have to be it... Nice design, something familiar bout it though, don't know what exactly :rolleyes:

http://www.lajollabluebook.com/asset...lla-iPhone.jpg

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Eeewww, where is the keyboard, Is that one of Taliban phones that I keep reading about?

;)

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Still, it's possible to build a working AOSP with working userspace for the N900/N9 (phone calls, etc.. are "hardware adaption", and that's just not done yet), but you can't build Harmattan for an Android device (driver issues aside). The equivalent to AOSP would be Nemo, but it's not day-to-day usable as a phone OS (at least for me). The AOSP UX is (basically) used by Google for their Nexus phones, so it has to work as "standalone product".

Differentiation in Android happens by adding non-essential components or replacing fully working components in AOSP by something from the vendor (TouchWiz, Sense, etc..) whereas in MeeGo/Maemo (what I've seen so far), it happens by *providing* components in the first place - with no or incomplete open source replacements available (mostly that's the UX - "window manager", phone, SMS, contacts apps, web browser, camera app, etc...).

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Hahaha, i knew i've seen this around two months ago in .AU:

>>http://cdn.portfoliobox.net/__client.../menu-logo.png<<

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I take offense to the insinuation!!! ;)

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mmmmm food :D