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I don't see the point in sending of a bunch of questions to Jolla to get some straight answers as I don't see them being more straight than allready stated from them.

It's a company and they will be kind of blured as they could change direction along the cause and if they promise/state something and in the end it won't be as stated alot will come whinning and moning about broken promises and stuff.

Why not just use the channels already provided and get your info there or better wait for the device to surface.

Regards Dousan...

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Well it was suggested here by Ima, discussed further, & we've begun, so we may as well finish it.
Sounded like a sound idea in principle, we're the ones with the "gazillion" questions...
Of course they can't or won't answer many of them....
But if it clears up at least some of the misconceptions/concerns, then that's better than nothing.
I just wish this thread would be closed or merged into the main one already...

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As per https://twitter.com/JollaMobile :
"Most of the Jolla OS will be open source, yes."
"The details about developer mode and device will be clarified in near future, thanks!"

Nobody ever promised something that is 100% open and it's been explained a billion times on this forum why it's so hard to be 100% open. If people still know better, they can try themselves. ;)

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Jolla phones: not so open

OK. That's fine with me.

End of story.

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What do you mean by 'not so open'? Do you think maemo/meego are fully open? If yes, you are very, very wrong. I will give you some examples on the N900's maemo - camera app, music player, phone app, calendar and many many more are not open source.

PERSONALLY What I need from a 'open' phone is

1.Based on Linux
2.The ability to tweak files inside the phone, modifying system/settings files

and if jolla devices or any other newer OS doesn't offer me that ability I will stay with my N900, even if it has to be forever!

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Here we go again....

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Yes, thats why it's a forum and everybody can freely say his/her opinion, if you dont like it - leave.

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thread reloop

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If I say it's open. Someone say it's not open.
If I say it's not open. Someone say it open.

It's not open and it's not closed.

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blah-blah-blah

Are all your comments like that? Seriously, type something meaningful. Maybe some real sentences will do the trick.

Are you talking about me? Because I dont remember saying its fully open/closed.

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Woah, Tanago why so upset?

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We don't know yet how open Sailfish will be. Hopefully fully open. So no point to speculate until the release and further announcements.

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Actually, there is a point to speculation: so that Jolla knows what will happen when/if they fail to deliver a fully open phone :)

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think nokia, with the nokia price tag only difference is the cheap hardware.
Dont expect it to be open at all!

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http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...18#post1239418
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...30#post1239730
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...25#post1239825
After skimming through this entire thread again, I wonder why it never ended-up being closed at #82 or #84.
It was def. redundant at the time given the several other points of discussion we already had, perhaps there wasn't enough mods then.

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Which Nokia price tag?

I paid for my Nokia N9 on 26th of November 2011:577,90 EUR

For my Jolla I will pay not more than 399€. So it could be even less than 399€.

How do you know it's cheap hardware? Have you seen the final product quality, do you know final hardware specs?

Go away troll.


Reported your post with a request to close this thread.

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When this thread was last most active, we knew very little, far more has become known since, there's still unanswered elements admittedly.
I suppose we could establish a thread dedicated to this area of discussion (or renew this one), but it seems redundant when:

(1)
We already have threads where we can (& do) discuss such subject matter
(2)
We're not likely to get the final pieces to the puzzle until after the 1st device is out
(We've been given several explanations as-to-why that's the case...)

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How do we know more now then we did before about this?

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So, Jolla admits that there'll be no custom ROMs or kernels.

Well, if it's truly a more open experience that people want, why not go Android? I had a custom kernel and ROM flashed in no time, after unlocking the bootloader, rooting, getting ADB + Fastboot, and flashing a custom recovery.

I just flashed a custom ROM based on 4.2.2 yesterday on my HTC One. The freedom does make a positive difference.

To each his or her own, and I still may get the Jolla phone later this year, but I'm sure it won't be as open.

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REALLY? REALLY?
Are you srsly trying to suggest we haven't learnt a **** load more about their approach since July 2012 when we 1st heard about them? What about all the **** we learnt just before/after Slush?
Just because you have some kind of short --> long-term memory problem, doesn't mean folks should have to constantly re-hash stuff for you. :rolleyes:

Relax, very old thread, someone massively necro'd it, it died July 20th 2012.
Skim through it, or if you can't do that, at least see my post at #95...

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Yeah, I'm sure that Jolla has someone monitoring this thread to help determine their strategic direction...

;)

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Reported this thread to be closed.. Nothing new will come out of it that hasn't been already said.

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We might have learned a **** load of stuff between now and then. But you don't know if and how open or closed or what you need to do to access the phone. Sure we know what Stskeeps are saying. But he doesn't make the decisions at jolla. And even to I trust his character and expertise, I don't take it as facts until jolla announce it and neither should you.

We can discuss it here or in another thread. But closing the thread doesn't help us get any answers or the device.

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Where did you get that kind of information?
AFAIK the device will have open kernel and open middleware, only the top part of Sailfish is closed.

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Open or closed, if it doesn't sell well, it won't matter.

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You are wrong. It might not matter to you but I bet it still matters to the once with the device. Except mikecomputing it seems. :D

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"Jolla is going to release a developer edition of the device which gives full access to linux hackers and technology enthusiasts. Jolla will fully support the communities and be part of them, and wants them to be part of creating and developing our device," the spokeswoman confirmed.

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Um yes we do, not all of it, but we have found out significant chunks, your memory failing you doesn't make it true for most who've been following along.

There's no qualifications about what he said in this area, if there was any doubt whatsoever he wouldn't say a word, this is one area we know they'll deliver on.
There's been other areas he/others won't comment on, but this is one in which they've come out very early, & stated the facts in no uncertain terms.
And it makes sense, it's not something that'd hurt them, to the contrary, given their background & all their stated intents, it's something they would do.

And having a 2nd, 3rd, or 7th thread discussing the same content doesn't make getting answers more effective, if messaging is scattered/confused it only hinders that.
Besides, I already said perhaps a dedicated thread for this topic is fine...
I merely qualified that by saying it doesn't make much sense, because they're not likely to reveal the "final pieces" until after the first device is out.

Yep, all this was asked & then clarified towards the end of last year, & early this year.
But, once again, the same users are out & about, feeding on their staple diet of FUD.

The article is deprecated/irrelevant, read through the thread....

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Ok, let's not close the thread. The thread close itself when the time is right.

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GTA-04 is open source hardware which is commercially produced. It is based on another open source hardware project - BeagleBoard. Arduino is open hardware, which makes it possible to produce Arduino's in Armenia: http://norayr.arnet.am/weblog/tag/arduino/

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no no, beagle is NOT fully open source.