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and forget about Jolla. they have no chance to succeed.

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You've seen Jolla's products have you? Please post a link.


Oh dear, a premature enunciation.

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Correction: Forget about WP8

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I read this oh so wrong the first time...

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Only Jesus will see them. Pure smoke and mirrors. And if anything, you will get N9 like abomination.

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This is simple, and truth.

As to Jolla not becoming a success, that's a question of perspective. Jolla is already more successful than 95 % of starter businesses. Better funding, more employees and from what I can tell, closer to production than most companies this young. Are they going to be top 3 smart phone makers? No. Neither is ZTE. Does that mean ZTE is a failure?

No.

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You and Jesus, two peas in a pod?

http://ffffunny.com/funny-images/470...jpg?1244920853

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NOKIA do NOT classify the Asha series as smartphones (but they should IMO).

16 M downloads per day http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/...6_million_.php

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Its seems Apple need a better Maps for IOS.

I guess Elop can help them by selling NokiaMaps to Apple and then leak a internal mail: "Nokia Maps is not ready. Its time to go Bing Maps instead."

That would not suprise me. We all know how stupid and desperate the current Nokia board is...

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ZTE are very big in China and Latin America, they recently announced 300% year on year growth, they are already the global number five smartphone manufacturer and are only a smidgen behind HTC and NOKIA. Don't rule them out of being a top 3 smartphone maker, it could happen much sooner than you think.

Early next year they are going to release Firefox OS handsets so I'll definitely be looking to buy a ZTE.

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Somebody set up us the Balmer! Make your time!

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/ph...19/ballmer.jpg

Here's the other problem with what Nokia has done by firing or losing all these people: All the talented mind-share and dedicated employees who had participated in their own capacity, to get the company on top for all those years, had to get jobs elsewhere. They've lost all that mind-share to competitors. They've done the business equivalent of painting themselves into a corner and now being stuck there. Brilliant Mr. Elop has instead decided to hobble the company by making it dependent on another corporation--his former employer. How does ANY of that sound good?

At least Tim Cook had the decency to admit Apple's mistakes with the mapping application and came out to apologize for it and is moving to quickly fix the problem. Elop is the captain that would head straight for an iceberg and ignore anybody that argues with his decision to go full steam ahead.

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Dumbramos,

Looks like you are copying what I said only a page ago: "it will be difficult for Nokia or Jolla for that matter to break into the top tier. none of the products are revolutionary and most of them are iphone imitations, including N9. price breaks and small differentiations will help fractionally increase the consumer base. until something revolutionary comes, the top tier will be iOS and Android. i am not sure that Nokia has that revolutionary spirit left in its bowels. so ashas and taleban phones will remain its best bet. "

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Just downloaded Nokia maps on iPhone 4S, works beautifully. Why couldn't it do the same on my 3 N9s. Ask Jolla leadership

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Works great for me on my 2 N9s!

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I haven't ruled them out, but then they have to beat fast-growing Huawei too. I just stated that you don't need to be top 3 to be a success. Most non-chinese people hadn't even heard of ZTE and Huawei 4 years ago.

My current phone is a ZTE.

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Get out of my thread if you can't behave better than this.

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Just a thought but if the price of the WP8 device has already been announced and the share price seems to be a trifle reluctant to move in an upward direction, have we now passed one of lumiamans milestones?

lumiaman: "Its responding to the market as a whole. Greece, spain, god knows who else.....No significant changes until pricing, availability and sales are announced "

Which would mean that there's only "availability" and "sales" left to go?

This is better than going to the movies.

rgds

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haha the jokes here are fun... Also who puts the tags? It seems lumiaman is attracted to threads containing tags that ridicule him :D

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naah u forgot nokia did admit theyr "mistake" with false camera marketing campaign ;)

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Lumiaman 09-29-12 , 02:10 PM Banned |

Name calling was the last straw, I guess.

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looks like the week starts better than last week ended.

NASDAQ OMX Helsinki, €, Week view:

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...afbcb0dfb8.png

It started below €2 today but is now just above.

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This means that the best trolling we get from now on comes from dramos and gerb?

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Stock is up in anticipation of a Nokia maps announcement related to users of Oracle applications, expected later on today at the OracleWorld conference.

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Well to me it seems the maps that Nokia is selling won't bring in more than negligible revenue...It looks more like a PR exercise designed to take the heat off Elop but nothing that substantial...

And Elop has an excuse if quesioned on the low revenue; he'll simply say that we want to tie these partners down and since this is our first time doing a deal the price is low...

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You're doing a good job by yourself. Carry on...

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LOL, what a surprise :) Nokia better hurry getting that real pureviev (41 MP) on a decently sized HW (4 inch screen) running WP8 out in the market.

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Ain't gonna happen, due to WP limitations.

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Nokia have really lost their way, talk about getting into bed with the two worst tech companies on the planet, Microsoft and Oracle.

All that can come from this is a closed ecosystem with horrendous pricing, zero customer service and realms of infighting. Oh dear.

I was going to offer a purile comment to Specc and Lumiaman over the current stock about writing an app called iGloat but the fact is it just saddens me that a company with such a great past as Nokia has been reduced to begging for scraps.

Even if the spawn of Nokia/Microsoft/Oracle can compete and try to become the third ecosystem the best they can hope for is a small fraction of the iPhone market share and that closed ecosystem is already shrinking.

Too little too late and no innovation.

rgds

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from http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/10/res...in-the-market/

2.5% of market share in the smartphone market by end of 2013, surely not! :eek: I think the re-defintinion of the Nokia Asha series from dumb phone to smartphone will boost the market share numbers. But I remember, only a few years ago, giving a presentation to a US company regarding Symbian which was at 60% market share at that time! It's only been 3 or 4 years but seems like a lifetime ago now.

In other Nokia related news today, Nokia Siemens Networks sells off IPTV assets to favourite dumping ground Accenture
Accenture will be rolling these into their Accenture Video Solution product.

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I think NOKIA's budget devices have a very limited future because of the dumping of Symbian, Meltemi and Qt. Putting the swipe interface on Series 40 has undoubtedly made the Ashas more desirable than previous incarnations but I don't see many people choosing a J2ME only device now.

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Maybe you don't see it, but remember that we're still talking about a price advantage, and sales in markets where the even cheapest phones are considered very expensive.

In the west, budget phones have no appeal, I'll grant you that. But even in developing countries, most people despite the growing middle classes are still very poor.

There are phones that cost £30 without a contract. There won't be an android alternative to that for many winters yet.

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Well apart from this one of course at around £40

http://www.themobileindian.com/news/...phone-tomorrow

rgds

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The new Ashas are not going to be £30, they are going to be around £65 before taxes, that makes them at least £80 in the UK.

My daughter just bought a new Galaxy Europa for £40 from 3 and she paid them another £15 to get an unlock code.

I think you'll actually find budget smartphones are a significant percentage of sales in the west, according to Kantar Worldpanel most growth in European sales of WPx devices is down to the NOKIA 610 not the higher end devices.

When I Iook around my friends, family and work colleagues the ones that aren't really interested in smartphones have devices such as the Galaxy Europa, Galaxy Ace, Desire C, etc...

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And then Microsoft Buys ORACLE ...

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Loving this rumor about Microsoft planning to release their own WP8 phone. Is it just some institution shorting Nokia stock or a real plan? Either way, so nice that Nokia put all their eggs in the WP basket..

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That was a huge mistake. Microsoft has never played well with their mobile strategic partners. They've undercut the other manufacturers for tablets with their Surface tablet and now it seems like they're going to undercut Nokia and even HTC with this upcoming rumored WP8 phone made by Microsoft.

That's the cost of doing business with Ballmer. He's going to screw you.

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Well, you said budget phones, the Ashas aren't Nokias low end.

The Galaxy i5500 is, as far as the local pricewatch can tell me, a £80 phone, not a £40 phone. So, 3 has a low fee to break a contract - that's really not relevant to the actual price of the phone. That's compared to i.e. the Nokia 100, that goes for about £18 locally. Without having to sign a contract and breaking it.

But I see that there are cheaper android handsets than I thought.

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Sorry, I should have said 'budget smart devices' for clarity but seeing as I was responding to your comment about the Ashas I thought it would be clear that's what I was referring to.


It's a PAYG phone so there is no contract. I think £15 is pretty much a standard charge across UK carriers for unlocking a carrier locked device, it's also what I paid O2 to unlock my iPhone. Is the UK market unusual in that regard?


Anyhow, China has a plentiful supply of < $99 Androids, also I've read > 45% of the Indian smartphone market is already served by indigenous brands like Micromax, Karbonn and Lava which offer Android handsets starting at around £45. NOKIA is going to face tough competition from Android devices in the markets they are targeting with the Ashas, I think leaving their budget 'smart' devices stuck in the mud with J2ME is not going to help them compete.

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Samsung has phones that cost as little as £9 here, but that's probably unsold stock. Many, many people in Asia and Africa would buy a £9 phone over a £39 phone. Lowest end is traditionally where Nokia's been the strongest. So it's real money for them. But as it is, Nokia's losing fast in the lowest end too.

Anyway, half way through the week, this is the status for NOK1V/HELSINKI:

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...f6562d0a41.png