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volt 2012-10-17 10:56

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They still have a tenth of a million employees they need to fire, we can expect to see a lot of changes in organization and shifting of values into new/different entities. And employees in the opposite direction.

specc 2012-10-17 11:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1281602)
Just a reminder... this is a company that sold their own HQ to start renting it. Isn't that the sort of thing a teetering business would do just before collapsing in on itself, turning into a legal entity like a holdings company?

they do that to reduce cost. No reason to get all funky about it speculating like an old grandmother. The 920 is too big, the 820 is too ordinary. It doesn't look good for the Lumias. Luckily Nokia have the Ashas. Still, the 920 is really tempting, and it will sell OK, but far from spectacular like the iPhone.

shinogami 2012-10-17 11:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1281602)
Just a reminder... this is a company that sold their own HQ to start renting it. Isn't that the sort of thing a teetering business would do just before collapsing in on itself, turning into a legal entity like a holdings company?

Way to spread misinformation. Nokia did not sell its HQ. However, it's considering the possibility of selling it.

Lumiaman 2012-10-17 11:54

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Yeaaaa...they need to stop wasting money on this site and support all of the Nokia haters.

thedead1440 2012-10-17 12:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1281682)
Yeaaaa...they need to stop wasting money on this site and support all of the Nokia haters.

The NFP is going to take over the running of this site anyway in the new year...

Also its a nice form of censorship to reduce support from those who disagree with you and had paid you money to buy your products...

Sometimes I wonder whether you really are just one of those who really wishes for Nokia to succeed or are nothing but a glorified troll...

volt 2012-10-17 12:22

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This site and Nokia has already declared a intent of parting, troll. And many of us used this site before Nokia even had a role here, though it used the original site name at that time.

uTMY 2012-10-17 12:24

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@lumiaman, Now you are becoming repetitive, I haven't seen anyone on here even vaguely showing themselves as a Nokia hater. On the contrary the only person I see stating that is you.

I am sure everyone here on this Maemo forum only wishes Nokia to succeed but since Nokia has turned its back on Maemo supporters like myself then I have absolutely no idea why you still remain here?

I see you as nothing more than a vaguely amusing distraction from an otherwise fairly reasonable discussion about Maemo's former companies missteps as reflected in the share price as they flounder in the Microsoft mire.

rgds

Rauha 2012-10-17 13:20

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I came up with a plan thats 100% sure way of make profit with Nokia stock.

Requirements for making sure profit with Nokia stock:
1. Live in the metropolitan Helsinki area (Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa or Kauniainen)
2. Use public transport regularily enough to have weekly/monthly public transport card anyway. Alternatively for car owners, your daily work drive goes past Nokia HQ
3. Being a coffee drinker.

How my swindle works:

A. Shareholders who go to the annual shareholder meeting get free cup of coffee and a piece of cake/cookie/bun/etc.
B. Cup of coffee in Helsinki metro area 2-5€.
C. Price of cookie/pie/whatever with your coffee another 2-5€
D. Nokia stock about 2.2€/piece.

So for 2.2€ investment you are guaranteed to receive value worth of 4-10€. And thats not even counting in the annual dividend, which was worth 0,2€ per share this year. Free money.

thedead1440 2012-10-17 13:27

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Rauha,

Now that is called a plan :p

Lumiaman 2012-10-17 15:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1281701)
@lumiaman, Now you are becoming repetitive, I haven't seen anyone on here even vaguely showing themselves as a Nokia hater. On the contrary the only person I see stating that is you.

I am sure everyone here on this Maemo forum only wishes Nokia to succeed but since Nokia has turned its back on Maemo supporters like myself then I have absolutely no idea why you still remain here?

I see you as nothing more than a vaguely amusing distraction from an otherwise fairly reasonable discussion about Maemo's former companies missteps as reflected in the share price as they flounder in the Microsoft mire.

rgds


If you are looking for savings, cut the fat as much as you can. If you are desperate for money companies won't even buy coffee cups. And for the assertions that this site is unbiased ....LOL....I have been banned for sneezing here.

Lumiaman 2012-10-17 15:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1281691)
The NFP is going to take over the running of this site anyway in the new year...

Also its a nice form of censorship to reduce support from those who disagree with you and had paid you money to buy your products...

Sometimes I wonder whether you really are just one of those who really wishes for Nokia to succeed or are nothing but a glorified troll...

? It's all money. You either have it or not. When you do, you can support beta OS products, when you don't, you got to cut fat.

volt 2012-10-17 16:27

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You have been banned for misbehaving here. That's because you're regularly misbehaving.

Lumiaman 2012-10-17 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1281812)
You have been banning for misbehaving here. That's because you're regularly misbehaving.

Give me an example of that. I got banned for calling Jolla fans jsheep. Is that so offensive to be banned.

volt 2012-10-17 16:38

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One example? Is that all you require?

volt 2012-10-17 16:44

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Example of what is considered an important rule of Netiquette:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Internet, on Netiquette
Flaming is a form of verbal abuse when you intentionally attack or disrespect somebody for whatever reason. Maybe you didn't agree with something they said, but there's a nice way to share a different point of view without name calling or attacking someone.

Let's not go into flaming, since you only asked for one example. Here's you doing name calling:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1273839)
Dumbramos

There have been times when I've felt you've done something to contribute in a positive way. Those are precious few.

Lumiaman 2012-10-17 17:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1281819)
Example of what is considered an important rule of Netiquette:



Let's not go into flaming, since you only asked for one example. Here's you doing name calling:



There have been times when I've felt you've done something to contribute in a positive way. Those are precious few.

I somehow feel the same about you. Staring at the trees and missing the forest. And Dumbramos called me plenty of fun names, hence dumbramos. But he is not as sensitive as some other "open-minded" folks here, who click the ban button instantenously.

gerbick 2012-10-17 19:35

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This thread doesn't need to devolve any further. I'm not for the banning - ignoring and/or not answering is usually good enough.

But volt and the others have been dispensing good information in this thread. Can we move this idle talk about who is the biggest troll to another general purpose thread? If one doesn't exist, can we create one?

Dave999 2012-10-17 21:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1281868)
This thread doesn't need to devolve any further. I'm not for the banning - ignoring and/or not answering is usually good enough.

But volt and the others have been dispensing good information in this thread. Can we move this idle talk about who is the biggest troll to another general purpose thread? If one doesn't exist, can we create one?

We have already lost stock talk in the old thread and now in this one too. That why it's no point reading it. Too few stock holders, possibly? To many fanboy? Either way the word stock must be at least twice in every post from now on. If not you might get banned. Prepare for Q3.

gerbick 2012-10-17 22:49

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Don't add to it. You're already in far too many other threads adding nonsense.

Lumiaman 2012-10-18 03:09

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hahahahahahahahaah.....oh my, oh my, oh my....this is one funny thread

danramos 2012-10-18 03:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1281659)
They still have a tenth of a million employees they need to fire, we can expect to see a lot of changes in organization and shifting of values into new/different entities. And employees in the opposite direction.

100,000 employees and still quickly shrinking. Right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1281662)
they do that to reduce cost. No reason to get all funky about it speculating like an old grandmother.

That might be true but, along with the other details, it looks like the same dance I've seen so many times that I can't help noticing a certain amount of similarity and pattern here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinogami (Post 1281681)
Way to spread misinformation. Nokia did not sell its HQ. However, it's considering the possibility of selling it.

True enough--to be perfectly accurate, they didn't sell it yet but do you think it won't happen? They seem pretty intent on carrying this out as a way to keep themselves alive.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nokia-...120428628.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1281785)
If you are looking for savings, cut the fat as much as you can. If you are desperate for money companies won't even buy coffee cups. And for the assertions that this site is unbiased ....LOL....I have been banned for sneezing here.

Did you just admit to sneezing? *snaps fingers* SECURITY!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1281826)
I somehow feel the same about you. Staring at the trees and missing the forest. And Dumbramos called me plenty of fun names, hence dumbramos. But he is not as sensitive as some other "open-minded" folks here, who click the ban button instantenously.

What?! Why aren't my ban-button clicks getting registered??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1281897)
We have already lost stock talk in the old thread and now in this one too. That why it's no point reading it. Too few stock holders, possibly? To many fanboy? Either way the word stock must be at least twice in every post from now on. If not you might get banned. Prepare for Q3.

How's the stock doing? The general trend in this stock appears to be ill to me--perhaps Nokia could try to fix that by genuinely competing? They're not trying very hard. Stock, stock. Next topic?

volt 2012-10-18 07:40

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Right.

We have not lost stock talk in this talk, that's just bull.

There were several graphs of stock development and talk of the cause of it as late as yesterday. The Helsinki sxc has been closed for the night. I can't be posting developments when there aren't any. So if anyone would want updates, there's always New York.

It's still a bit early to put out a graph of today, as the current graph only shows 20+ minutes. So for now, let's once again have a look at the development the last few days, in a month perspective.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...f935bdafbf.png

From € 1.96 to 2.20, with perfect timing there's money to be made on Nokia. Sell when Lumiaman is buying, he always seems to know the peaks.

shinogami 2012-10-18 10:33

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Feels like Christmas

http://i.imgur.com/py0iC.png

kojacker 2012-10-18 11:53

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NOK sitting currently at $3.06 in NYSE premarket. Nokia recorded their 6th straight loss but, according to analysis I'm reading now, the results are pretty dire but not as bad as feared - due in part to bumper Nokia Siemens Networks profits (the best profits NSN ever recorded). Net cash in the company has gone down from $4.2bn in June to $3.6bn this quarter, beating estimates of $3.4bn. Investors still have some hopes for the November launch of the new Lumia handsets which is holding the stock price up at the moment. There isn't a lot of room to go up but once/if those hopes should disappear, the price could half.

Dave999 2012-10-18 11:54

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Nokia suprised market even if still loosing money. The result is much better than expect. Happy Hour all nokia stock owners.

Small victory for Windows and Nokia, but still a victory.

volt 2012-10-18 11:56

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Look at this:

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...64688b8b39.png

T'is fun! Might be an error in the data for all I know. Or bots.

kojacker 2012-10-18 12:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1282068)

The high volume flurry of peaks and troughs at 12:00-ish is probably caused by automated trading systems kicking in

Edit: stock price looks to be starting to drop a little and flirting at the $3.00 mark on NYSE premarket. It briefly hit $2.98 before coming back at $3.03

I also see Google have announced an event on the same day as the Windows 8 launch event - http://www.reghardware.com/2012/10/1...october_event/

Quote:

Crafty Google is hosting an announcement a week on Monday - the same day Microsoft will be formally launching Windows Phone 8. It’s also less than a week after Apple is expected to announced the ‘iPad Mini’.

Lumiaman 2012-10-18 12:13

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Nokia Bears Fooled Again
SHARE:




As I predicted yesterday, Wall Street’s Nokia perma bears turned out to be out to lunch for the second quarter in a row. Nokia beat revenue consensus by more than 200 Million euros and delivered a tiny adjusted operating profit instead of the expected loss. The share price is up 9% in Helsinki. Exactly as with 2Q12, the revenue and margin surprises were created by the powerful Asha feature phone sales in emerging markets. By far the biggest shocker in the 3Q report was the feature phone volume, which grew by 3 Million units from 2Q12 to 3Q12. The slick new UI and the app quality of the Asha range is clearly a step above what the third-tier brands are able to deliver in the sub-100 euro category. Nokia is making gains particularly in 60-90 euro bracket – and that is why Nokia’s overall feature phone ASP did not decline from 3Q11 level. That was a major surprise for investors.

Lumiaman 2012-10-18 12:14

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Above was taken from Forbes

Lumiaman 2012-10-18 12:26

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I wish I had more cash to buy more.....

volt 2012-10-18 12:40

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Thanks, Lumiaman.

Ah, it's Asha lifting Nokia again. Looks like it's surprising even Nokia management who only looked to Lumia and expected a loss. ;p

kojacker 2012-10-18 12:51

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NYSE premarket now showing stock price is below end of day price yesterday, currently down 3.40%

Quote:

2.94
0.00 (0.00%)
Pre-market: 2.84 -0.10 (-3.40%)
Oct 18, 8:49AM EDT
Nokia stock is now open for trading on NYSE at $2.82, down 4.08% on yesterdays closing price, following today's earning results.

Quote:

2.82
-0.12 (-4.08%)
Real-time: 9:30AM EDT

shinogami 2012-10-18 13:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kojacker (Post 1282095)
NYSE premarket now showing stock price is below end of day price yesterday, currently down 3.40%

Yeah. What the hell? First +10% and now -3% in Helsinki. They beat all expectations and even turned a profit.. :confused:

danramos 2012-10-18 13:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shinogami (Post 1282111)
Yeah. What the hell? First +10% and now -3% in Helsinki. They beat all expectations and even turned a profit.. :confused:

It's not good enough. They turned a weak profit in the face of a LOT of losses (patents, employees, etc.). My bet is that shrinking the business still doesn't look good if the trending shows more shrinking, even if you're shrugging off possessions to look profitable.

shinogami 2012-10-18 14:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1282117)
It's not good enough. They turned a weak profit in the face of a LOT of losses (patents, employees, etc.). My bet is that shrinking the business still doesn't look good if the trending shows more shrinking, even if you're shrugging off possessions to look profitable.

But what's up with the first +10% and then -3%..

volt 2012-10-18 14:16

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I saw an analyse that called the numbers from Nokia "gruesome", so there seems to be a spit jury on the verdict. Either way, relying on the Asha sales for a profit is a bitter victory... $60-$100? These aren't lower end feature phones - which means they're rapidly gaining competition by lower end Android phones. Also, it means that they're gaining in a segment where parts of the competition has already been pulling out. I almost said where even Nokia itself has been pulling out (Symbian).

Here's more from Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/terokuit...e-as-it-seems/

volt 2012-10-18 14:18

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The Forbes article is explaining the rollercoaster, as well.

Dave999 2012-10-18 14:35

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I think it time for apple to make move on Nokia soon. They would get nokia very cheap. The would get excellent map functions instantly and big patent portfolio. They would even **** with Microsoft in a way never seen before ;)

volt 2012-10-18 14:52

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They would get 100,000 employees they don't want. There are other mapping companies that come cheaper. And Microsoft already got their clammy hands on Nokias patent portfolio. That's what "that" $1b was all about.

As it is, they (Nokia and Microsoft) have a joint patent troll they (Nokia) are shifting patents into, as we speak.

Dave999 2012-10-18 14:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1282146)
They would get 100,000 employees they don't want.

That is true, there are always downsides with all over-takings. Nokia will have to keep firing w orkers. It really no difference.

But look at the upside it could be a really good move. There are several directions apple could move nokia to.

There are also lots of hits on the subject.

http://theweek.com/article/index/234...ould-buy-nokia


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