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Yes, as you I was merely mentioning other's ideas and opinions from that debate.

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Here are the numbers:

http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/10/nok...to-969m-euros/

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Profit? I didn't read anything about profits, cash down to 3564m. Of course they can survive like that for quite a while (another ~1.5 years), their smartphone business is not that relevant anymore, could as well just give it up, save all the marketing expenses and research.

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Sales on the Lumia series drop 27.5%, they "only" lost 738 million or so this quarter... and the stock went up?

Am I missing something?

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could be related to Google's "disappointed" report? toghter with nokias result was better than expected?


Google did a huge positive result, but lost major stock value. Nokia did a huge lose and a small increase in stock value.

That just shows how strange/Sick stock market is :D

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Looks like the M'Hael will have to rely on his Asha'men a little while longer.

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YES! Most stockholders are fools....

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Asha 311 had been nice little device if it was meltemi based :@

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But they cover the meltemi price range with wp7.5 now, look how sales have been increasing!!

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Even if they did build Meltemi as we've heard of, they'd probably lock off the WM so tight it'd end up being a smartphone light. It wasn't supposed to threaten the Windows Phone segment.

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I wonder how the market would react if Nokia announced that they'll abandon 'the all eggs in dismal burning platform basket' smartphone strategy and start releasing all their phones in also dualbooting Android/MeeGo variants.

edit. I think the stock would jump +50% just for the announcement that Elop and half of the board have been fired...

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My guess: Oh no, not again?

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That's not it at all. Stock market would probably think "this is proof of total strategy failure" and avoid Nokia at all costs.

Smartphone market would buy phones. Nokia still has a rep for making sturdy phones with good cameras for rather cheap. And the phones would get raving tech reviews, like the N900 and N9 did.

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Meego? If N9 is Meego, NOKIA is headed for bankruptcy tomorrow.

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The error Nokia is doing is NOT going all in with WP (smartphone vise), but NOT pricing their handsets competitively. So far the ones switching to Lumia have been the ones bored by iPhone for some years now. Nokia need to get people buying Lumia instead of Android, to boost the WP ecosystem. To do that the prices for the new Lumis series needs to be reduced by 50% and old 7.5/8 lumias must be given away.

Surface will most probably boost the WP ecosystem, but will it be enough, is it too late? This is what Nokia is gambling on right now.

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Sorry I'm a bit late today, but here's today's graph. Helsinki is already closed, so I'll put out the full week view.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...909be6a73c.png

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Nokia IS heading for bankruptcy with Windows Phone. FACT

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They chose the wrong horse then. I am still optimistic they will succeed.

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Not sure what you're holding onto...

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No they will success thats for sure...

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Simply saying so doesn't make it true. Dared, at least, has the evidence of numbers and trends so far backing up his statement.

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You're right, did you notice NOKIA's gross margin for smart devices last quarter was -3.5%? The gross margin is now negative! And even now they're giving them away at less than cost they can't shift a decent number!

Added to this we already know at the start of Q4 NOKIA were having a fire sale of 800s, so Q4 is already shaping up to be another disaster.

What's new in WP8 that's going to change any of this?

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Windows RT, Surface, Windows 8.It's a completely new game. Will it work? who knows. IMO they must have something better/more in line of what the user want than the Lumia 920, or the 820. Who exactly are they targeting with those devices? A 200g huge brick of a phone and a low res mediocre nothing?

I'll probably get myself that brick though. Not because I urge for it, but because there is nothing else that is even remotely tempting, and the camera looks real good of course. I'm not alone, the smartphone arena is getting duller each day.

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What's new to change anything of this?

Everything, Everything is new. Windows Phone 7.x is abandoning their user base and starting over. From 0.

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Can you give me a concrete example of how that benefits me?

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Its fun to see people here who said WP7.5 will success but was wrong, and now they say WP8 will success cause it totally different and restart from 0 :eek:

I also remember Elops silly answer to a engineer a year ago:

Meego was not ready but WP was :eek:


FACTS stands: Nokia is doomed...

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no, but as far as I'm concerned WP8 is a worthy candidate to take over from Symbian. The NT core is (disputably) the best core OS out there. There are no limits there and the same source can be used for basically all tech consumer products.

back in the old days long before the iPhone I didn't care about popularity, I didn't care about how many million apps existed etc etc. And I don't care now. My next phone is a lumia 920.

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@specc "The NT core is (disputably) the best core OS out there."

ok, I'll dispute that. No it isn't.

rgds

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I agree with the dispute... as it is a closed source kernel it's not possible to make any claims like that about it.

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That's no dispute, that's just a simple trollish denial. :rolleyes:

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Your post or his post?

He disputes as he has experience with it but you defend something that you have developed zilch for and wouldn't be able to know its worthiness if it didn't come with the M$ logo on it...:rolleyes:

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I merely matched Speccs assertion that was presented with a complete lack of corroborative evidence with an equivalent and opposite position.

Completely unsurprisingly Specc then resorted to juvenile name calling and was also incorrect in claiming that my response was not a dispute.

It was.

rgds

oh, that and also that I was right.

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Bla bla bla. When it sounds like a troll, smells like a troll, looks like a troll - it definitely is a troll. If I am a troll (or not) has nothing to do with it. :cool:

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if the glove fits.

rgds

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You are and it does.

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Wonderful put Mr Gerb. A real good addition to topic of this thread.

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You got it bud!

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So many trolls here....yet I gather all the votes ...must be my good looks

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I also remember people claiming that Windows Phone 7 will change everything because it was a whole new OS that has nothing to do with Windows Mobile 6.x (ironically, it was later proven to be directly related with only portions rewritten)... aaaaand it failed as it was smite to the ground.

Then Mango (Windows Phone 7.5), as you correctly pointed out, was supposed to be this vast improvement that will finally solidify Windows Phone as a real competitor to Android and Apple. That also failed, as it was stricken down to the ground.

And now the same people are arguing that Windows Phone 8 will completely change the game yet again (how often can you "change the game", before change is actually no longer a change and has lost its meaning?) and, as far as I can tell, it appears to that it too will fail as it gets thrown to the ground.

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Well, Tomi Ahonen claims in his blogs that "textbook definition of insanity is doing the same thing all over again and expecting different results"

I cannot be sure if this is correct, mainly he uses this argument to point out that Elop's strategy is not very rational but this is exactly the thing that comes to mind when looking at the WP strategy :D