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That is the complete opposite of reality.

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What does that have to do with price of rice in CHINA?

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You previously said:
I'm sure if you were experiencing problems creating cross-platform applications with Qt there are people here who would willingly help you overcome your difficulties.

I'm sure none of us could believe, even for a nano-second, that you would pontificate about a subject you have no real understanding of.

No, not our Lumiaman - he wouldn't talk out of his 4r53 would he?

So let us help you, a problem shared is a problem halved.

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If Qt is such a great thing, why it didnt help NOKIA? Why it didnt help Maemo or Harmattan? Why did it take eons for them to put a product together? I will tell you why: NOKIA IS NOT A COMPETITIVE SOFTWARE COMPANY. PERIOD. They were good with simpler thing, and got overrun by more competitive companies.

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Mmm, that's a tricky one... could it be because NOKIA's Qt Creator IDE and QtQuick were still in Beta when Elop announced Symbian and MeeGo were deprecated? It's always a bit more difficult for software to make an impact before it's been released.


It would have. Now it will help Android and iOS instead.


More competitive companies? Ah yes... Samsung. Of course, they do have a pedigree in software that NOKIA simply can't match don't they? I have to admit I can't think of their fabulous, incomparable software off the top of my head but I assume it must be great or you wouldn't be making that point.

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WP not only raises the commercial bar, but it also enlargens your penis, gives you collegue degrees, gets you ripped in three weeks, and wins you green cards, right?

Suffices to say that MS has never competed on the basis of technology and innovation, most of it's "competing" resumes itself to legal manouvering, backroom deals, and putting the weight of its monopoly to good use. Let those cash hordes do their job, baby, that's how MS "competes".

Technology? There's nothing to compete with in said offering. Last I checked, it only runs on hardware MS selects, so an OEM can't select what hardware to implement it on.

Innovation? MS also has a tight grip on the code, no modifications allowed. What's there to innovate on, should Nokia release the next Lumias in a box of dry feces, so it matches the content inside? That would surely be a novelty..

While the situation of OEMs using others software is precisely the same, you seem to fail to acknowledge it due to being partial to WP. While android provides relative freedom for Oems AND users to modify the software, and provides Oems the freedom to run it in hardware of their choise, WP provides none of those, leaving no differentiation...

Come to think of it, it's the other way around... Android still has room for differentiation... On WP, given that both hardware and software are third-party controlled... That's where one can only compete on price.

But then again, much like WP won against an Android that beat it fair and square (in spite of WP cheating), WP is better "just because".

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How many smartphones ran Qt, once again? Qt hasn't helped nokia because nokia took the asinine decision to not use in more than two phones, both of which were underpromoted.

Then the Chief Executioner Officer took the decision to give Qt the axe, and had the company shoot itself in the foot.

It's hard for a resource to help if you don't put it to use.

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The main idea behind Qt is to be platform independent. During the years Qt established as a leading platform independent C++ framework for desktops and it is very likely to have the same future for mobile devices.

No matter how good is a C++ framework it could not help marketing and sales guys :) Don't blame Qt for poor product management and marketing solutions.

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For Nokia, Qt is no longer relevant, and what they sold off was not all of it. They bought but one Trolltech, but they've sold off Qt in two rounds.

As a software tool, Qt was always more relevant outside of Nokia anyway. To quote KDE.org:

So le's end the Qt failure disscussion here, because it makes y'all seem extremely context inaware. It's like "Petrol is a failure, it didn't help Tesla sell a single car!"

Back to the off topic topic:

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...93ad8908b6.png

One week view. No stock price trouble over the weekend. As usual, this is NOK1V, Helsinki, €.

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why do you even discussing Qt here. Nokia don't need or care for Qt anymore, get over it. It's a relevant as if I buy a nokia device or not!

Stock gets a slow start today but I'm sure the will come around.

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For the same reasons that we discuss other things Nokia sell out, because it's relevant to the company's assets, future, stock prices.

I would think that's why.

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Oh, Thats why :)

Can this do it for nokia?

Real or Fake...Nokia Phi :p

http://www.wpdang.com/wp-content/upl...WP8-RUMOR1.jpg

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia...-board_id33148

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for **** same i have added lumiaman on my ignore list aand still see his qutotes and now I probdly get banned but anyway shut the **** up lumiaman eather your are really a ***** or just plain stupid troll. Swhat he hell is your point? You don have clue what you talk about and its only damn ****ing bussines and marketing ******** that made company doing stupid decision. Ou are just a damn nokia fanboy who would follow what ****ing damn direction they go anywayx just ****ing conti ue buy stocks if you beleive bey sttragegy!!

personally I will not.

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although i can't fault you for your thoughts, i think it's in your best interest with a bit of self moderation there, mike grabben.

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Way to many stars in that troll post.

On topic. Not so great day today for nokia stock :(

I wonder why?

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Grow up please. It's not about what is best using any of your favorite measuring sticks. Producing high quality HW is no less expensive for a Chinese company than a non-chinese company. The HW is produced in China regardless (or where ever the cost is smallest). With WP you have several sets of specs, lowest common denominator if you like, that (besides functionality and quality) also assures that it will be impossible for one company to just hack together some non branded HW and put WP on it.

At the same time there are no restrictions upward. The result is a competition about technology and features, not on price alone. Android has some of this, but not enough to create a lucerative market for the manufacturers. Samsung is the only manufacturer besides Huawei and ZTE that is able to make a profit. In a year Samsung will hit the wall. The economy is not sustainable, and there is nothing new or speculative about this. Google makes loads of profit, but nothing of that profit is redistributed to the HW manufacturers is another way of understanding this, there exist no mechanisms of doing it. Google will soon have to do something about this, or everything they have built will be gone. That is where Nexus an Motorola comes in. The only real Androids today are Nexus branded or is a Motorola. The others are copies.

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Let's see :o

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Asha, not Lumia, has been lifting Nokia's stock prices. http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/13/nokia-...ness-analysis/

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That is hilarious. :) ...And surprisingly commendable, I might add.

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It's kinda like the market telling Nokia what they want, innit? You want to sell us WP? Here's what we'll do. We'll buy whatever else you have.

However Ashas success might be short lived. Other feature phone manufacturers, including Motorola, is dropping the entire segment because Android is falling in price.

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http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...4644f2a525.png

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...24bc0787ae.png

I honestly can't tell (see a trend) where this is going next.
As for what is causing Nokias fall, I'll point out from the news that the macro outlook for Europe is bad, entire market down. May be the primary reason today, may not.

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The Euro crise?

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Surprise of the year: Elop wants to stick with Windows on Nokias phones. Yes, that's right, he's NOT jumping over to, say, Tizen, iOS, or Bada. Here's the shocking revelation:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/0...87E03G20120815

Anyway, my usual graph source seems to be down, so you'll have to have a look at i.e. google: https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...L:NOK1V&ntsp=0

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Im not sure what is best from a nokia stock perspective. The anticipation for new devices or actuall an announcement of devices and delivery to shelfs?

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My limited observations is that the only thing that is better than anticipation is when you deliver beyond expectations. :B But, I've got very limited data behind my observations.

Standard & Poor`s cuts Nokia's credit rating further from BB+ to BB-

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Who cares. No matter how you look at it, the stock must go up. Nokia has made it. We need to switch over to HTC and Samsung now to see if they are able to make it.

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Nope, they haven't made it - and their stock could easily go down. If the WP8 phones are a failure (or perceived as a failure) then their stock price will fall

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I think the price is inching up in anticipation of September announcement, and I suspect the price will double by October

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Interesting reading.
http://www.1800pocketpc.com/why-we-l...81/#more-33781

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But it isn't inching up.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...a44780edbb.png

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Haha, this is very funny *chuckles*

You do realise what this article screams, don't you....

That Windows Phone is missing a lot of features that are standard on other smart phones. You don't try to justify a decision for no reason ;)

You make me laugh

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I didn't write that. I didn't make you laugh.

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Hey Dan, Don't be *** like Elop! Nokia will survive...

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1...eElopNokia.png

Great icon for n9 if you are working on a fart app :D

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But you DID make me laugh!! You didn't write it, sure, but you fully believed it, which is even funnier

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WIth all respect dared dude (not much but still), I only gave a reference to an interesting reading with no comments what so ever. Everything you think I did or did not - is all in your imagination. It has nothing to do with me :)

Having said that, my N9 is in the drawer and my Lumia is in my hand :D It could have been the other way around, but there is a reason for everything. Not the reason your imagination tells you though.

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http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...a72067c611.png

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...70496153aa.png

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...5a5de8d367.png

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...9af52f88a1.png

Starting to look like the worst has passed for now. (Now = until Windows Phone 8 is out)

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Take a look at HTC. 80% drop from June 2011.
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=2...rce=undefined;

HTC is still going down. Nokia will survive, HTC is in big trouble.