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Lumiaman

2012-12-03 19:37

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Was just notified that my Lumia 920 CYAN is IN!!. And, they will only charge it as if it is an upgrade, $99, instead of the full price originally. Yay!

Stock will keep going up. Its a decent product that will do well.

Dave999

2012-12-03 19:39

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Picture or lie...

Lumiaman

2012-12-03 19:42

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Just like I lied about the 3 N9s.....

Lumiaman

2012-12-03 19:43

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It's a big phone. I mean real big. You can kill someone with this thing.

specc

2012-12-03 19:44

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1301085)

The State of Smartphones in 2012: Part I of our Ultimate Guide

Best Windows Phone 8 handset: [hint: It's not a Nokia]

And this will effect the Nokia stock exactly how?

specc

2012-12-03 19:51

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1301100)

It's a big phone. I mean real big. You can kill someone with this thing.

pst: what about that daperl/shitter/dramos trio ? :D

daperl

2012-12-03 20:07

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1301101)

And this will effect the Nokia stock exactly how?

If high end smartphones are part of their success strategy, poorly. People generally don't like the way Nokia's flagship phone feels. This bad first impression points to a core ineptitude on Nokia's part, but most of us saw this coming with the size transition from the Lumia 800 to the Lumia 900. Hey, I love big phones, my Galaxy Nexus kicks a*s, but I bet the Galaxy Note II feels better in the hand than a Lumia 920.

Nokia didn't get the memo on how to compete in the high end smartphone arena. But that's okay, according to the graph you pointed to, Series 40 will pull them through.

Elop rules!

Lumiaman

2012-12-03 20:35

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Yay!!! ELOP rules in Europe

MINKIN2

2012-12-03 21:26

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1301110)

Nokia didn't get the memo on how to compete in the high end smartphone arena. But that's okay, according to the graph you pointed to, Series 40 will pull them through.

Looking at the stat counter, I am quite surprised at how well our good old friend Symbian is still doing. If you pick any area or region you will find it amongst the top 4 mobile OS's and constantly ahead of WP. It's only immediate competition is BB and the "other os" category (that is when it is not in the #1 slot).

Not bad for OS that has been put out to pasture.

danramos

2012-12-05 05:16

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1300947)

I picked Europe, because Europe is the place where people change phones at a most rapid paste. It is also the place with most varying user base regarding what's hot and what's not.

Android is growing, but that is not all that is happening. WP is getting a larger and larger user base, it's the ecosystem with largest relative growth, by far.

WP may never become as large as android, but it may already be large enough to be viable.

s/paste/pace/

You seem to be trying to exercise "cherry-picking." The key word you used was 'relative', in addition to trying to choose a best-case scenario for what you wish was a trend... once again, framing things in the best light possible despite the fact that you could also frame a user-base that went from one user to two users in the last six months in a large meeting room as 'doubled marketshare!' despite still only being two users in a crowded building full of comparatively thousands of other users of anything else. That's hardly 'viable.'

Quote:

Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1300956)

Thanks :o I like you too.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile...9_973057_n.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1300956)

I think you find it nearly as hard to resist as I do :D

I do.

specc

2012-12-05 08:54

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1301521)

Cherrypicking would be to choose 1 or two countries and generalize a trend out of the data. Europe is big, lots of people and there are great differences from place to place. Besides, for now WP is sold mainly in Europe. But most important, Europe is what counts.

thedead1440

2012-12-05 08:58

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The population of Europe is less than that of India or China...If you picked only India or China's stats you would yourself say:

Quote:

Cherrypicking would be to choose 1 or two countries and generalize a trend out of the data.

So you ARE indeed cherrypicking specc...

danramos

2012-12-05 10:30

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1301552)

No, it's pretty clear cherry-picking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias. Cherry picking may be committed unintentionally.

The term is based on the perceived process of harvesting fruit, such as cherries. The picker would be expected to only select the ripest and healthiest fruits. An observer who only sees the selected fruit may thus wrongly conclude that most, or even all, of the fruit is in such good condition.

To your point anyway, Europe doesn't appear to be quite as important to Windows Phone as you make it out to be:
http://bgr.com/2012/12/04/windows-ph...rging-markets/

Anyway, here's a little something to lighten the mood:
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6511241728/hE4061255/

Dave999

2012-12-05 10:53

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LoL, you are doing great work here, writing a great script for the new movie Trollmageddon. Its about a gang of trolls who are selected to save the world from an asteroid, the size of Texas . You will all have a role.

I can collect your requirments to perticipate, these are the request I've got so far:

Well, there's uh, few things here, uh... nothin' really big, uh, just- Well, as an example, uh, uh, danramos here, he's got some outstanding parking tickets. Wants them wiped off his record.

Uh, thedead1440's got two women friends that he'd like to see made American citizens no questions asked.

specc would like you to... bring back eight-track tapes.

Um, Lumiaman wants a full week's Emperor's Package at Caesar's Palace.

Yeah, daperl like to stay in the Lincoln bedroom of the White House for the summer.

If you have any more request. Please send them ASAP.

Yeah one more thing, um... none of them wanna pay taxes again.

Ever.

thedead1440

2012-12-05 12:00

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Dave and what role would be you playing? The Director, Producer or Spot-Boy who cleans up everyone's mess when they leave :p

switch-hitter

2012-12-05 13:29

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NOKIA's first viable WPx device?

This is the first NOKIA WPx device I can actually imagine people buying.

Dave999

2012-12-05 14:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1301611)

NOKIA's first viable WPx device?

This is the first NOKIA WPx device I can actually imagine people buying.

Looks ok. Pretty cheap as well. Anyone uning nokia music. Is that any good?

Nokia stock loves this device :D It's like a jelly bean with all the colours.

specc

2012-12-05 15:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1301620)

Looks ok. Pretty cheap as well. Anyone uning nokia music. Is that any good?

Nokia stock loves this device :D It's like a jelly bean with all the colours.

Nokia music is OK. The really good thing is everything is vanilla mp3 with no DRM strings attached.

specc

2012-12-05 15:26

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1301571)

No, it's pretty clear cherry-picking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias. Cherry picking may be committed unintentionally.

The term is based on the perceived process of harvesting fruit, such as cherries. The picker would be expected to only select the ripest and healthiest fruits. An observer who only sees the selected fruit may thus wrongly conclude that most, or even all, of the fruit is in such good condition.

so you are prooving my cherrypickiness by cherrypicking a biased article :) you have to do better than that old boy.

If the user base of WP is largest in Europe, then clearly most WP sales are done there and not some other desolate place. You cannot argue that WP is large in Europe by arguing that WP is small in Europe. It makes no sense.

gerbick

2012-12-05 15:39

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Can we just skip straight to the Pee-Wee Herman type of insults and be done with it?

I know you are, but what am I?

switch-hitter

2012-12-05 16:01

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1301620)

Looks ok. Pretty cheap as well.

Yeah, for the first time in a long time the power per pound/dollar/euro ratio is quite plausible. I'm assuming because the back cover pops off the battery is replaceable and it's got SD card support too.

I imagine they might actually sell a few of these.

daperl

2012-12-05 17:13

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

The Microsoft and the Nokia

Quote:

A Microsoft asked a Nokia to carry him across a river. The Nokia refused because it was afraid of getting stung by the Microsoft. But the clever Microsoft argued that if it stings the Nokia then they would both drown. So the Nokia agrees and carries the Microsoft into the river. Halfway across the Microsoft stings the Nokia dooming them both. In its dying breath the Nokia asks the Microsoft why it did such a thing. The Microsoft replies "it is my nature".

Lumiaman

2012-12-05 19:28

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NOKI is doing pretty well. May cross $4!!!

Lumiaman

2012-12-05 21:42

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Oh my....silence when NOKI stock rises...the haters are in their mouse holessss.......

there is an interesting report that by 2016, WP will be 10-15%, which seems fair....but Jolla, Molla, and Golla----less than 1% :)

switch-hitter

2012-12-05 22:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1301732)

Oh my....silence when NOKI stock rises...the haters are in their mouse holessss.......

Woohoo! It only needs to increase three fold and we'll be roughly back to where we were in January 2011.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1301732)

there is an interesting report that by 2016, WP will be 10-15%, which seems fair....but Jolla, Molla, and Golla----less than 1% :)

Based on what? We haven't even seen a Jolla device yet and we don't know if any other manufacturers are interested in licensing Sailfish either.

WP will be 10-15% in 2016? That's not much is it? And did that 'interesting' report predict how much of WP's 10-15% would be NOKIA devices? If NOKIA's market share is still going to be that low in 2016 they might want to license Sailfish instead.

Dave999

2012-12-05 22:33

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Windows has Microsoft Money and three strong brands Htc, nokia, samsung and more coming.

Jolla don't stand a chance to compete with the current setup. But that isn't probably the main goal either atm.

Nokia stock will be triggered by all things with Dows phone. Windows starting to have anough pretense in store to be recognized by advantage Joe so windows will esaly reach 10 percent, probably more. Nokia stock will do a comeback. The issue is how much of a comeback...

shinogami

2012-12-06 02:13

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Today was a great day. The stock is now at 4 USD / 3 EUR. Helsinki is closed tomorrow due to the Finnish independence day. Anyway, the rise will surely continue at NYSE. Say short squeeze. :)

Trading today/30 day average: 151.30M/45.32M

ho ho ho

Imagine the panic of the *******s who are shorting NOK1V at Helsinki. They can't do anything tomorrow. Another +10% day at NYSE and their losses are in 100s of millions come Friday :D

oh also, most of these guys, like Viking Capital are also concurrently taking in epic losses due to the fall of AAPL..

feels pretty good :)

Lumiaman

2012-12-06 02:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1301742)

Woohoo! It only needs to increase three fold and we'll be roughly back to where we were in January 2011.

Based on what? We haven't even seen a Jolla device yet and we don't know if any other manufacturers are interested in licensing Sailfish either.

WP will be 10-15% in 2016? That's not much is it? And did that 'interesting' report predict how much of WP's 10-15% would be NOKIA devices? If NOKIA's market share is still going to be that low in 2016 they might want to license Sailfish instead.

Why are you so anti NOKIA? WHY DONT YOU TROLL IPHONE POSTS?

gerbick

2012-12-06 04:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1301780)

Why are you so anti NOKIA? WHY DONT YOU TROLL IPHONE POSTS?

Because it just works...

thedead1440

2012-12-06 05:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1301780)

Why are you so anti NOKIA? WHY DONT YOU TROLL IPHONE POSTS?

LOL!

Look who's talking :p

Dave999

2012-12-06 08:26

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They doing it becouse they are secret aplle fanboys. :)

Nokia(wibdows) doing an apple.
Apple(iOS) doing a nokia.

Hey Apple...KNIFE!

http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-...ware-by,30616/

danramos

2012-12-06 09:13

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1301744)

Windows has Microsoft Money and three strong brands Htc, nokia, samsung and more coming.

More coming? Like LG? Sony? You DO realize they were already dropped by a bunch of OEMs--and there were rumors that Samsung had already started talking about dropping Windows Phone. So who's the 'more coming?'

Dave999

2012-12-06 09:54

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1301829)

Samsung is still in the game with ATIV, future unsure. Next up is probably Huawei(Ascend W1). Low price highend.

specc

2012-12-06 13:10

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1301110)

Since you wrote this holier than though - know it all piece of mumbo, the stock has climbed yet another 15% :) how does that fell you android/iPhone fanboy :)

Lumiaman

2012-12-06 13:23

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The stock most likely went up due to deal with China telecom........it will give them access to 700 million users.

kojacker

2012-12-06 13:37

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A lot of futures trading on the NOK stock on NYSE, could see it push past $4 today.
Edit: almost as soon as I wrote that, it fell in pre-market below yesterday's close price lol from $3.93 to $3.86. Market opens in a few minutes, interesting to see how it reacts after yesterdays mammoth +12% rise

Edit2: market now opened, price fell from $3.88 to $3.75, now climbing a little back to $3.80..

daperl

2012-12-06 14:12

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1301876)

Since you wrote this holier than though - know it all piece of mumbo, the stock has climbed yet another 15% :) how does that fell you android/iPhone fanboy :)

We're still an order of magnitude out from their peek, so just cool your jets there, toughguy.

switch-hitter

2012-12-06 14:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1301880)

The stock most likely went up due to deal with China telecom........it will give them access to 700 million users.

Have China Mobile announced they'll be subsidising the 920T though? It's an interesting omission from every report I've seen.

marxian

2012-12-06 17:37

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