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mikecomputing 2012-12-06 18:39
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1301829)
More coming? Like LG? Sony? You DO realize they were already dropped by a bunch of OEMs--and there were rumors that Samsung had already started talking about dropping Windows Phone. So who's the 'more coming?'
LOL! You do realise that Samsung will NOT drop WP if MicroNokia success in China?

Simply because Samsung is biggest copycats.

Dave999 2012-12-06 21:35
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So will nokia stock keep going? When will apple and Nokia's stock value be exactly at the same level. A year from now?

MINKIN2 2012-12-06 22:40
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Lightening the mood...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianki...ign-backfires/

marxian 2012-12-07 00:52
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Stock:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...90_224x256.jpg

danramos 2012-12-07 05:49
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1301842)
Samsung is still in the game with ATIV, future unsure. Next up is probably Huawei(Ascend W1). Low price highend.
Yeah, Samsung is still doing it--but there's been strong rumors that if this doesn't go well, they're likely to drop Windows Phone in 2013. I forgot about Huwawei--good catch. It will all come down to how relevant Windows Phone makes itself, as to whether these two will probably continue to develop Windows Phone at all... so far, it doesn't look positive, despite Specc's assertions about Europe and its relevance.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1301975)
LOL! You do realise that Samsung will NOT drop WP if MicroNokia success in China?

Simply because Samsung is biggest copycats.
You DO realize (correct spelling) it hasn't been a success so far, right? We'll see how it unfolds in the coming months, but if past trend is any indicator (and based on what Samsung's own people have said), dropping support for the Windows Phone market from Samsung would only effect a tiny sliver of customers. Trends show that they have sold more with Bada than Windows Phone--and that hasn't sold particularly well in the overall market either. Once again, we'll see.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1302045)
Oh my $DIETY, I laughed outloud and HARD! Thanks for that. :)

volt 2012-12-07 10:17
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
They sold more Bada, their own OS, and dropped it. But then, that's after they set up Tizen to be the successor.

Microsoft won't drop Windows RT no matter how bad Windows phones sell, so there's some predictability advantages over Tizen, that will eventually be dropped: it has Intel backing.

There is no way Apple can possibly drop down to Nokias level in any less than 5 years.

Dave999 2012-12-07 10:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1302170)
They sold more Bada, their own OS, and dropped it. But then, that's after they set up Tizen to be the successor.

Microsoft won't drop Windows RT no matter how bad Windows phones sell, so there's some predictability advantages over Tizen, that will eventually be dropped: it has Intel backing.

There is no way Apple can possibly drop down to Nokias level in any less than 5 years.
The great thing with tech and stocks is that the impossible is possible and that is how u inovate for real :D

Think the unthinkable to do the unthinkable.

Lets say samsung don't want to deliver to apple anymore. Then apple have som serious issues to solve.

juiceme 2012-12-07 11:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1302170)
There is no way Apple can possibly drop down to Nokias level in any less than 5 years.
It's been Post-Steve Apple for more than a year now... practically continuing with the past momentum. I would not count on it to continue for long.

thedead1440 2012-12-07 12:54
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1302128)
You DO realize (correct spelling)
Why pick on that :confused:

They both are right...


Further Reading

specc 2012-12-07 13:06
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1302234)
Why pick on that :confused:

They both are right...


Further Reading
In all modesty. IMO he wasn't picking on anyone (for a change ;) ), merely pointing out that his spelling was correct.

Dave999 2012-12-07 13:08
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Could you pelase pick on my spelling and grammar instead since I don't know if my spelling correct or incorrect.

I'm thinking of buy some nokia stolk again. who is with me and who is against me?

thedead1440 2012-12-07 13:18
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1302240)
In all modesty. IMO he wasn't picking on anyone (for a change ;) ), merely pointing out that his spelling was correct.
See his post; he was showing mikecomputing its spelled as realize not realise ;)

specc 2012-12-07 13:27
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1302128)
Yeah, Samsung is still doing it--but there's been strong rumors that if this doesn't go well, they're likely to drop Windows Phone in 2013. I forgot about Huwawei--good catch. It will all come down to how relevant Windows Phone makes itself, as to whether these two will probably continue to develop Windows Phone at all... so far, it doesn't look positive, despite Specc's assertions about Europe and its relevance.



You DO realize (correct spelling) it hasn't been a success so far, right? We'll see how it unfolds in the coming months, but if past trend is any indicator (and based on what Samsung's own people have said), dropping support for the Windows Phone market from Samsung would only effect a tiny sliver of customers. Trends show that they have sold more with Bada than Windows Phone--and that hasn't sold particularly well in the overall market either. Once again, we'll see.



Oh my $DIETY, I laughed outloud and HARD! Thanks for that. :)
well, almost every single WP phone in Europe is Nokia. That is the main difference between Europe and NA. Smartphones are becoming just as everyday as dumbohones were 10 years ago. When that happens to it's full extent, two things will happen. 1 design, brand and build quality becomes important, OS and specs becomes irrelevant. on the other end of the scale is price, huawei and ZTE will eat big chunks of Samsung.

The others (Samsung in particular) ending their WP production, has more to do with timing. Right now only Nokia gets the attention, there is no space left for others. Not only because Nokia has the best phones, but also because of the Nokia drama that is going on.

specc 2012-12-07 13:28
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1302247)
See his post; he was showing mikecomputing its spelled as realize not realise ;)
not according to me.

MINKIN2 2012-12-07 13:55
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Are we really going to have that discussion here? Both spellings of the word are correct in their respective dialects.

Move on...

danramos 2012-12-07 15:33
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1302242)
Could you pelase pick on my spelling and grammar instead since I don't know if my spelling correct or incorrect.

I'm thinking of buy some nokia stolk again. who is with me and who is against me?
As requested:
s/buy/buying/;s/nokia/Nokia/;s/stolk/stock/;s/who/Who/

echo "I'm thinking of buy some nokia stolk again. who is with me and who is against me?" | sed 's/buy/buying/;s/nokia/Nokia/;s/stolk/stock/;s/who/Who/'
I'm thinking of buying some Nokia stock again. Who is with me and who is against me?

$50 proofing fee, please. Thank you!

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1302247)
See his post; he was showing mikecomputing its spelled as realize not realise ;)
It's (it is), not its (possessive). http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/its.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1302261)
Are we really going to have that discussion here? Both spellings of the word are correct in their respective dialects.

Move on...
Please stop arguing about whether to argue about spelling. It is very distracting.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...0/31418990.jpg

Dave999 2012-12-07 16:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1302296)
As requested:
s/buy/buying/;s/nokia/Nokia/;s/stolk/stock/;s/who/Who/

echo "I'm thinking of buy some nokia stolk again. who is with me and who is against me?" | sed 's/buy/buying/;s/nokia/Nokia/;s/stolk/stock/;s/who/Who/'
I'm thinking of buying some Nokia stock again. Who is with me and who is against me?

$50 proofing fee, please. Thank you!
Thank you. Now please keep it up for all my post until I finally learn the language.

50 dollar is nothing $50 991 and we kan make some money.

marxian 2012-12-07 16:47
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/realise

switch-hitter 2012-12-07 18:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1302313)
While we're on definitions:

620 Code for telling someone to F*** Off - F being the sixth letter of the alphabet, U being the 20th.

720 When someone grabs anothers balls and squeezes them...

820 Slammed or killed

920 US Military slang for "that's gay"...

thedead1440 2012-12-07 18:31
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Post of the day :D

uTMY 2012-12-10 09:47
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http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...to-ever-s.html

portent of things to come or already here?

rgds

Cue 2012-12-10 10:26
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I thought this thread was closed? why was it reopened?

thedead1440 2012-12-10 10:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1303047)
I thought this thread was closed? why was it reopened?
The earlier one was closed and a new one was created...

Cue 2012-12-10 10:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1303050)
The earlier one was closed and a new one was created...
then it appears that they merged the new one (one post?) with the old thereby reopening the old one. Why close the old one to begin with then?

Dave999 2012-12-10 11:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1303056)
then it appears that they merged the new one (one post?) with the old thereby reopening the old one. Why close the old one to begin with then?
They were not merged. Becouse the moderatores thought they could solve some sort of issues by closing the thread. But thread was never the problem, It was the content :D So they started started the same discussion again :) Simply to little talk related to stocks and more I-know-better-than-you stuff and now we are at the same point where the other thread were closed.

Now, How to solve this issue?

uTMY 2012-12-10 11:31
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If there's a need then since it is in off topic posts, just let it continue.

Mostly the posts are about factors that could affect stock price and the future of Nokia.

Its not wildly diverging from that goal.

Where there are tangents it returns fairly quickly.

rgds

Lumiaman 2012-12-10 13:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1303036)
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...to-ever-s.html

portent of things to come or already here?

rgds
Another apocalyptic article blaming Elop for NOKIA troubles. Just pure rubbish. That tells me how myopic is the guy who wrote it.

gerbick 2012-12-10 14:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1303084)
That tells me how myopic is the guy who wrote it.
You redefine irony each time you post.

Lumiaman 2012-12-10 20:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1303122)
You redefine irony each time you post.
If there was a biased viewpoint on the world, and anti- Balmer and Elop hate, that is the link to read.

Every linear article is just that, linear to the point of when it was written. The linear future he expounds is unlikely to happen, just like NOKIA and WP controlled things few years back and it slipped. There is too much freedom of movement and competition for it to happen.

gerbick 2012-12-11 02:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1303224)
If there was a biased viewpoint on the world, and anti- Balmer and Elop hate, that is the link to read.

Every linear article is just that, linear to the point of when it was written. The linear future he expounds is unlikely to happen, just like NOKIA and WP controlled things few years back and it slipped. There is too much freedom of movement and competition for it to happen.
What's WP's world market share again?

Lumiaman 2012-12-11 02:21
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Oh my...you are as thick as raging Tomi....

gerbick 2012-12-11 02:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1303288)
Oh my...you are as thick as raging Tomi....
And you are as thick as Ballmer. Seriously dude, WP hasn't done any company associated with it, Microsoft included, any favors.

Lumiaman 2012-12-11 02:30
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Microsoft is not the only player here. Tomi is a raging loser and not very objective. It's like reading evangelists telling u that their god is the only god.

gerbick 2012-12-11 02:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1303291)
Microsoft is not the only player here. Tomi is a raging loser and not very objective. It's like reading evangelists telling u that their god is the only god.
Tomi is a non-factor. He can be angry in his little corner as much as he seemingly likes to be stuck in the past talking about what could have been.

What I'm talking to you about, very clearly I might add, is that the present and future of WP is rather slow to build. 300% growth in sales, yet they're still a minor bit player in most markets. WP just isn't selling like... well, a lot of other devices out there.

Lumiaman 2012-12-11 02:57
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WP is not selling well clearly yet. Will they in the future ? I don't know. They do have cash and ecosystem....

gerbick 2012-12-11 03:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1303296)
WP is not selling well clearly yet. Will they in the future ? I don't know. They do have cash and ecosystem....
No. They will not sell well. They've had 7.0, 7.5 and now 8.0 to get people onboard.

It just ain't happening. Ecosystem can't pull it out no matter how many times Elop or you say it.

Lumiaman 2012-12-11 03:30
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Ok Tomi!!! Nostradamus of the cell phone world

gerbick 2012-12-11 03:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1303302)
Ok Tomi!!! Nostradamus of the cell phone world
The unseen is discovered, hidden for such a long time,
Verily on the fourth attempt of the Elop reign,
He will, Pasteur, as a demi-God be honored;
But through other's slanders, he will be dishonored.

- gerbstrodamus

thedead1440 2012-12-11 04:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1303302)
Ok Tomi!!! Nostradamus of the cell phone world
Ask Elop if he is confident in the next few quarters for Lumia series to sell as much as what Symbian was selling one/two quarters before he killed it and even he would not be able to guarantee it... Symbian at peak was selling >25million devices per quarter; for Elop even 10 million would be a cause to party his a*s off :rolleyes:...

Oh and before you give me the stupid taliban line remember to check the profit margin of Lumia series and Symbian phones... No prizes for guessing Symbian was giving >15% margin while Lumia is struggling to give 1/3 of that...

Dared 2012-12-11 05:36
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1303291)
Microsoft is not the only player here. Tomi is a raging loser and not very objective. It's like reading evangelists telling u that their god is the only god.
Funny thing is, Tomi is very often right with his predictions - he also backs up what he says with empirical evidence . Now, let's look at your predictions Lumiaman

first you went from saying WP7.5 will be a success
then you said it will take WP8 for the strategy to be a success
and now you're saying that it may or may not work

NICE WORK!!!! A++


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