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I honestly don't see very much evidence or facts in this thread.

It's more predictions, predictions and then you all trying to convince each other you right all along. :D

But i don't see any issues with that as long you all understands what's happening here.

Why not do a technical analysis of nokia stock and take it from there?

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So I've finally figured out this is a different thread from the last. wow I thought it was the same one as before who knew talk of Nokia stock was so popular and that I've missed this thread all along. Reading through the new one is a blast though it's still hard to follow since the usual suspects on the ignore list are still in the new one


I know this is old volt but I can't see the typo so I feel even more stupid. what is the typo other than the graph having no axis label, no legend and therefore being impossible to read? is it in the source text: analyst and analysis?

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Cue,

The burning platform memo surfaced in February 2011 which would fall under half of the Q1, 2011 graph...Seeing that you can see there is a drop from mid Q4 2010 onwards so the Elop effect's time-line was deliberately put at the peak of Q4 2010 to prove the effect which is factually untrue when the memo didn't surface till 08/02/2011.

Also i don't believe the memo could have spread globally within weeks to consumers who suddenly avoided Symbian; we know there were many factors that brought the downfall of Symbian with the memo being a catalyst for speeding up the downfall but to blame it solely on the memo by misappropriating facts is Tomi's speciality just as its Lumiaman's :D

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and there was me just seeing 2013 where 2012 should be which is arguably a "typo" my bad.

rgds

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Yes, I gave up on this thread too eventually.

The typo is "Q1 2012 - Q2 2012 - Q3 2013"

As for the legends, if I remember correctly the Y axis is for million devices sold, the blue line is for Symbian devices sold, the dark blue for WP devices sold, so the red must be Samsung and the green an apple.

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So it was just me reading too much into things then :D

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http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/image...pmentsq211.jpg

The burning platforms memo hit the news the moment it was leaked and remember the carriers and retailers are NOKIA's customers not the consumer.

Also don't forget Elop closed the Symbian Foundation in the middle of Q4 2010 which would already have got the attention of carriers.

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The earliest leak i found was on 08/02/2011 which isn't anywhere in 2010 but yeah I may have read too much into things :D

I would say the peak in Q4 2010 is actually due to Symbian^3 which had 5 million pre-orders from carriers but didn't actually sell that well hence leading to a subsequent drop in orders and shipments at the same time as fire-sale clearances occurring...

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1) You're reading it wrong. He's using a graphing tool, there's only one value per quarter. He had to put the comment either on the middle of Q4 or on the middle of Q1. From Tomi's point of view, he is trying to show the effect between two quarters, and putting it on Q1 wouldn't really show that because the graph would then read as "it started falling before the Elop effect". Now it's showing the correct effect, but the comment is connected to the peak value, not the actual date - which probably wouldn't be possible in a plotting tool, since there's no value there.

For the placement of the graph to be completely correct he would actually have to have the numbers per 08-11/02/2011, but those numbers aren't available. If he wanted to distort the meaning like you suggest, he wouldn't have connected the comment to the Q4 value, he would have plotted a dotted line from Q4 to 11/02/2011 to show the estimated peak at 09/02/2011, even higher than the Q4 numbers.

2) Q4 2010 was the highest value, where Nokia sold the most smart phones, ever, and still had quite the fine growth in units sold. Q1 2011 saw a major drop. This is no coincidence. Yes, every tech blog and most newspapers on the planet wrote articles about it for a week for every consumer to read, but that's not what ruined the Q1 sales. Not only did the analysts drop everything Nokia like a hot potato, but so did the retail chains and phone carriers. The latter two did have an immediate effect on the sales: they diverted sales away from Nokia over to other products. If they're not selling Nokia phones, then people aren't buying.

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Damn it, I'm beat to the point twice in a row.

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You must be a disappointed that Euro is losing its last tech giant. Well....it's your own doing.

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Unlike you I don't own share is NOK so that doesn't make a difference to me...Also neither am I an European to have that kind of connection...

What I indeed am is a straight-talker; i call a spade, just that, not a club like you...

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What kind of processor do you have in your smartphone?

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Spade is iphone and androids, clubs are the symbians and meegos........the world has spoken.

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One out of many components....and they will lose that too. Europe has become irrelevant.

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Oh yes of course. How did I miss that. Thanks.

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Should we only allow people that own NOKIA stock in this thread? Or will that eliminate ALL the NOKIA hating trolls?

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Past or present? Because honestly if you're still in possession of stock that you bought at 8.00 USD or higher, you're just hoping it comes up to something higher.

Most people are not playing that long of a game.

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Have you made money from Nokia stock or lost money? Just curious.

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I have NOK stock I bought when it was valued so embarassingly high it will never get there again. Hence I will never sell it, it will be my worry forever :)

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Heheheh....I am in the same boat. But I like it. Keeps me reading this deadly serious thread

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My mid price is 2.45. Thinking about starting day trading too with another portfolio. I also have some Biotie stock. They recently successfully tested a drug for Alzheimers. We'll hear more about it tomorrow. I'm expecting the stock to rocket..

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Lumia sales are low!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavi...lyst-contends/

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Google has no plans to develop Windows 8 or WP apps, cites lack of users

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/13/g...ws-phone-apps/

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Well....I think I agree with the analysts that the sales are overall low as the shipment volume has been low. I did get Lumia 920 via work, and it is a nice phone...but unpolished compared to iPhone. Light years better than N9 though, but still has quirks and typing not as good as iPhone. Too many corrections need to be made, still better than N9. Notification center is also lacking, supposed to come sometimes soon. Overall it will not be a home run for Nokia. Interestingly, if you look at google trends , lumia 920 is more popular than Samsung galaxy 3 by a large margin. Not sure what that means

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Google trends are mostly indicative of what people are searching for, not what people are buying.

The things going on right now around stock prices are pretty clear. Nokia (NOK) has dropped this morning by 2% or so, Google (GOOG) has surged up 10.00 USD mainly due to the Google Maps iOS release and the Maps SDK release, Apple (AAPL) has dropped 4.00 USD probably for the same reasons - Australia saying don't trust/use Apple Maps, Google Maps coming out and the negativity about Apple Maps is that amplified right now in the social media.

And honestly? Nokia 920 isn't making a big splash right now. Folks that are savvy are wondering if there's a 8.5 announcement looming that will render their new phone unlikely to get that update like the Lumia 900 did... or if the 7.8 questionnaire that's circulating means that the upcoming 7.8 update will be rather superficial, only bring a start menu update, or will other updates to software be coming down the pipe? As it stands, it's not a good look for Windows Phone 8.

And Google has slammed another nail into the proverbial coffin - they will not develop for Windows Phone 8. That means that Microsoft needs to start to make more than just a few moves that Google has left open for them to take advantage of. That includes the removal of free Google Apps accounts, Microsoft should follow up with Outlook.com for domains and explain that to people. Stop shoving Bing down people's throats, but start showing how SkyDrive, Office 365 (which costs currently unfortunately) could replace Google Drive.

But instead, Ballmer (well, Microsoft) is talking about how the Microsoft Surface RT is now going to be sold at Best Buy and Staples. Sales around that isn't high either. It needs polish and more apps.

I expect Microsoft stock to drop after the first of the year. I expect Google to continue to gain, but not as much as they've had as of late. I do expect Nokia to drop back to the sub-3.00 prices again because sales figures will be revealed sooner than later. And Apple, I expect them to find out how much the iPad Mini cannibalized their Q4 iPad sales. And if they are truly going to introduce an updated iPad Mini and/or iPad 5th Generation by June, that would mean 3 iterations of their iPad in under 18 months. That's not cool.

Lumia 920 is seen as an overweight, possible dead end. Nothing Nokia can do will change that until Microsoft states otherwise pertaining upgrade paths.

Downward spiral indeed.

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So you used to say WP7 would be the game-changer then WP7.5 then WP8 and still fail...

Did I read notification centre? The best type of notification centre globally is on the n9; read any review and you get the same thing...


Lumiaman, now you say your shares don't matter as you are watching the fun but man a few months ago your optimism was very different and apparent to see... M$ has shafted NOK and you were one of those jokers accepting it while we were the ones saying it only is a downwards for NOK from thereon... Too bad you lost :p

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I am still optimistic that they will be $20. NOKIA is definitely worth more than RIM. I am just giving my assessment about one phone and not the whole industry. I am long, as I think that wp8 will find traction among 20% of the populace.

The only good thing about N9 was the constant notification ...but going from there to the app was abysmal and everything else about N9 is abysmal, and I can talk about it as I owned more N9s than you ever will.

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Just checked out Nokia maps on iPhone. It shows an essence the software gap between Nokia and other companies. Their maps look visually very poor compared to google or even iOS. The resolution just sucks. They could not adopt it for iPhone display. They are again behaving like third world software engineering company. That is why in essence Ty had to go with WP. They can't engineer software to compete.

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WP8 is only step two of five. Nokia do always have a five step plan before they are starting with something new. wp11 is step five of five and will be a game changer. Still unknown to what...

:D
http://nokiapoweruser.com/2012/12/13...ms-lagom-test/

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And yet another emerging patent infringement case being raised by Nokia now... Are you ready for this?

They are trying to raise a case against HTC for the the "method of configuring electronic devices", basically the ability to plug the phone into a PC via a cable and interact with it.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/12/a...nge-nokia.html

Oh Nokia, once so proud yet now so pathetic.

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When in doubt, patent troll.

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Well....i still like my Lumia 920....typing on it now. I do like the big screen and resolution is amazing. Just swapped from iPhone back to Lumia...because the call quality on iPhone just suuuucks....lumia all the way

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don't use the word patent troll when you obviously have no idea what it means. Nokia, Ericsson and Motorola have developed all the nuts and bolts of mobile technology. The rest are copycats. Only natural they should pay license fees.

Real patent trolls are rare, and not remotely as big a problem as the blogosphere makes it to be. They are like mushrooms, popping up every now and then, and are gone just as fast.

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@specc

Analysis of NPEs (aka patent trolls) cost USA business $29 billion in 2011 doubling from 2009, defendants increasing from 2700 per annum to 5800 in the same time. ref Bessen/Meurer

mushrooms, quickly gone?

sco v ibm case almost closed after TEN years, quickly gone?

you're seriously mistaken dude.

rgds

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The problem with smartphones is they pretty much does everything the user possibly could want. Therefore we see this trend with larger screens, pushing even more web/media into the phone. But no really new technology has been introduced in a successful manner in the last 5 years.

As more people are getting tablets/tabletoids this nonsense screen size hype will go away. Give me a 4 inch screen, the processing power of the s3, pureview, real useful notifications like on the n9 or Symbian, functionality of the 808, and I'm happy.

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I... would buy whatever you're taking and abuse it.

Seriously dude, you're trying so hard it's comical. Keep up the good work. You brighten my nights with your brand of entertainment.

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specc is a all-day entertainer :D

He brightens your nights while he does the same for my long boring afternoons at work :D


specc, you can add one more title to the troll title you have; all-day entertainer! :p

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Glad to see you are entertained :) It doesn't improve on your ignorance though ;)

Patents are to the industrial economy like syntax for the programmers. Without patents, we would have no economic growth from R&D. We would basically end up like the old soviet union.

Patents give you the right to legally protect your technology from economic abuse by others. The point is that you have to do all the legal stuff yourself, and pay for everything. What you call patent trolling is just business as usual.

Real trolls typically just scan the industry for things that exist, but where no patents exist. Then they write patents and sue others for using their patents. This may work, but since you cannot claim a patent for prior art, it will eventually fail. The point is that the legal system is slow and expensive, and the trolls are higly skilled in legal disputes, so they can go on for years and destroy small businesses that don't have the financial mussel for a prolonged legal battle.

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Untrue. The way the patenting system is used currently is to strangle creativity, not to enable ecomomic growth.