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Dave999

2013-02-26 16:09

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1325295)

You've failed to point out how they're still relevant. Nothing in there explains that. Just a lot of 'things aren't going well but HEY! We've got new stuff!' :P

Nope, just moved on. But if you take a look at Nokia's sales numbers. You would understand how big of a shark they still are. Not as a great white shark anymore( like samsung) , more of a smaller one, maybe a hammerhead shark. And now to the point, hammerhead are relevant in the sea and since nokia is a hammerhead, they are automatically relevant in the mobile world.

You can't just look at the species close to you, we are a big world end everything is connected.

Artyom

2013-02-26 16:49

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1325427)

i dont see how they are a shark. maybe a shrinking one?
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/a...mb/nokia-1.jpg

Dave999

2013-02-26 18:56

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Ok, they might be a starving hammerhead shark. They are defenetly still a shark! If we looking at the sailfish and the actuall size of a sailfish it's safe to say nokia most be something much bigger, like a shark but not two big as a great white shark or a whale!

What I can't grasp is how you fail to see that?

switch-hitter

2013-02-26 20:25

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1325475)

Ok, they might be a starving hammerhead shark. They are defenetly still a shark!

I see them more as a small toothed flounder.

Artyom

2013-02-26 21:13

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1325475)

see the thing is that i dont see jolla as a fish yet in the market BUT the excitement that sailfish brings/brought to the community and the enthusiasts like me are substantially high. it's like fresh air pumped to a room full of smokers. even ubuntu for phones has that great feeling.

yes, nokia still looks like a shark(?) but there is a fact that even companies like huawei and zte has more than nokia! 2 or 3 years ago when you mentioned these names people would just laugh. so this means that people actually didn't hate symbian that much and they still have no interests in animated boxes

as the friend said above they look more like small toothed flounder
http://www.gofishing.co.uk/upload/16...i/flounder.gif
tip: the guy that holds the fish is microsoft. :p

that nokia versus THAT nokia. see the difference. ;)

uTMY	2013-02-27 18:30

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Small but perfectly formed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_lanternshark

rgds

Dave999

2013-02-27 22:00

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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1325762)

Small but perfectly formed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_lanternshark

rgds

Told you. They are still a shark!

uTMY	2013-02-28 09:29

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chuckle

rgds

switch-hitter

2013-02-28 13:22

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Definitely a flounder.

Quote:

Flounder
- To move or act clumsily and in confusion.
- To struggle; to move with difficulty, as in mud.
- To behave awkwardly; make mistakes

uTMY	2013-02-28 14:31

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

or possibly one of these?

Megrim (Whiff)
Lepidorhombus whiffiagonis

rgds

ranbaxy

2013-03-01 05:28

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Still... *sigh*

Dave999

2013-03-01 08:39

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Originally Posted by ranbaxy (Post 1326109)

Still... *sigh*

biggest of them all?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_W90V87w3sr...pictures_3.jpg

Artyom

2013-03-01 16:12

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yes, yes the biggest shark.

danramos

2013-03-11 10:24

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Biggest flop, maybe.

daperl

2013-04-03 13:56

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Looking good, Nokia!

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Artyom

2013-04-03 14:54

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lol, very nice. :D

mikecomputing

2013-04-03 16:42

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Originally Posted by ranbaxy (Post 1326109)

Still... *sigh*

I beleive in Elop. This is because soon Kim Jong Un will be world leader and he will only allow people to use mobiles with Windows Phone.

cheve

2013-04-10 16:09

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

according to the marketing survey discussed in this blog http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...t-lumia-a.html, it does not look good at all for nokia.

Dave999

2013-04-10 17:42

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Originally Posted by cheve (Post 1335257)

according to the marketing survey discussed in this blog http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...t-lumia-a.html, it does not look good at all for nokia.

Agree. Doesn't look for Nokia. But that is the biggest troll blog I've ever seen :D Not even I could do a better troll blog even if i tried for centuries.

These is an Anti-Nokia-fan-boy running that blog. Never seen anything good related to nokia from that blog. don't trust people that only just wright good stuff or only vad stuff. This ONLY BAD stuff. Nothing good comes of that. But sure it always good to see him crying :D

Isn't he an old Nokian?

cheve

2013-04-10 20:53

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1335273)

for sure that guy seems to write with passion:). Trolling or not, one can not argue with the published(may be also verified) data -- Nokia is clearly selling less units in an overall expanding market :(; so that would not be too good for the bottom line.

danramos

2013-04-11 13:54

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

The Elop Flop.

mikecomputing

2013-04-11 16:57

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Now desktop computing is dying and Microsoft looses even more but thing is:

Google and Samsung is the new Evil after Microsoft and Nokia has loosed the market. Its just same **** different name.

cr0c0

2013-04-11 18:22

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1335273)

I've been following that "troll blog" since the burning platforms memo, and the guy has been spot on every single time. If anything he underestimated Nokia's decline in some of his predictions.

My take on his writing is that he deeply cares about Nokia, and he couldn't be further from trolling.

Face it, Nokia is pretty much dead right now. The only thing that can save the company is fire Elop and the board, and start making phones running anything but Windows Phone. Android, BB OS, Sailfish, Firefox, ANYTHING but Windows Phone.

Dave999

2013-04-11 18:31

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just upgraded my old windows 7.5 to 7.8. It's a revolution ;)

danramos

2013-04-11 21:32

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1335480)

Now desktop computing is dying and Microsoft looses even more but thing is:

Google and Samsung is the new Evil after Microsoft and Nokia has loosed the market. Its just same **** different name.

Because evil is all about open-source and giving you what you wanted? Clearly, you should stick with Microsoft and Nokia.

Dared

2013-04-11 22:38

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Originally Posted by cr0c0 (Post 1335494)

+1

10 chars

volt	2013-04-12 11:36

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Originally Posted by cr0c0 (Post 1335494)

My take on his writing is that he deeply cares about Nokia, and he couldn't be further from trolling.

Face it, Nokia is pretty much dead right now. The only thing that can save the company is fire Elop and the board, and start making phones running anything but Windows Phone. Android, BB OS, Sailfish, Firefox, ANYTHING but Windows Phone.

Oh hai guise, long time no tea.

I agree on Tomi. His numbers show up as reality every time.

I think that it could save Nokia if they continued with the Asha branding in low end, and in mid and high end released phones capable of running ALL operating systems.

One phone; Nokia Inside, where YOU decide if you want Windows , Android or Ubuntu. Forward support for Windows to Microsoft, Android support from Google, or buy that support service from whoever.

^^,

Cue	2013-04-12 13:23

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Originally Posted by volt (Post 1335627)

The problem with that is MS do not allow it. All WP devices must ship with a locked bootloader. There was a time Nokia shipped a small batch of Lumia 800 with an unlocked bootloader but that quickly changed when they found out it was against MS's license. Now all unlocking has to be done with special hardware hacks.

danramos

2013-04-13 18:18

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Originally Posted by volt (Post 1335627)

I might even consider such a thing! ...one of the better reasons why all my newest purchases have been Nexus devices with a clearly and intentionally unlockable bootloader. :)

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Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1335644)

Well, then that makes it clear. Dump Microsoft as the odd one out and service up EVERYTHING ELSE. Because, you know... look at the evidence... EVERYTHING ELSE is succeeding far better than this fetid Microsoft offering.

mikecomputing

2013-04-14 17:09

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1335537)

Because evil is all about open-source and giving you what you wanted? Clearly, you should stick with Microsoft and Nokia.

no because if google is getting to big the information is not free.

or more like this: if everything is routed google servers the future is like George Orwels 1984.

And thats unfreedom same as when every damn PC was runing Windows but worse.

But if you prefer sticking your head in the sand, and beleive everything is good with Google owns everything online, thats up to you.

Btw. Some people almost says Samsung OWNS Southkorea and personally I dont think its good in the long run for soutkorean people that a company owns them...

danramos

2013-04-15 03:17

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1336018)

Speaking of sticking your head in the sand, I'm pretty sure 1984 wasn't about oligopolies. If you think so, you might want to go back and actually read it. Last I checked, Google wasn't the only nor biggest threat to privacy. Have you actually used or understood what Facebook does and how it has violated trust in practice, not theory, before? How about Microsoft? If we're to go on a practical and historic track record, I'll trust Google before I promote Microsoft and Nokia--especially given that the latter have ACTUALLY proven their not trustworthy while Google has at least been relatively transparent about what they collect and share and with whom. Better still, I'm glad to see Google is one of the few that actually CHALLENGES government requests for private information of its customers in addition to their ACTUAL and genuine efforts to promote openness and open-source, unlike Nokia's puffered statements that proved less than open or open-source promoting.

volt	2013-04-16 13:44

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Well, even if Microsoft requires a locked bootloader, they could have a -W version with a locked bootloader, and the same exact hardware in an unlocked version. Then someone would release a how-to install Windows RT guide.

It's a model that has worked well for Microsoft in the past. The only model that has worked well for Microsoft in the past, one might say. "Install our operating system on the hardware of your choice".

mikecomputing

2013-04-16 17:15

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1336114)

NONE of above is IMHO any better than the other. Difference is you say Google is better I say thats bullish. Same **** different name. I am sure evryone is in bed with US governance.

Dont come say Google is a more ope. Also the fact that google just tried to scan every book, without asking for permission, saying "hey people wants info to be free" yeah right. What they want is to take control on everything related to media.

Funny is the younger generation are stupid enought beleive in "google is your friend". Like they care more about you than any other no way!

danramos

2013-04-17 04:49

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1336472)

Nobody is saying anyone should trust Google. It's just that when it comes to the "trust but verify" method of using them but following up on the impression of openness and trustworthiness, they just been proven to be far more open and honest in practice so far, whereas Microsoft and Nokia have bragged and pretended to be "open" and honest and better when they've, in practice, proven not to be.

Nokia would NEVER secretly phone home your information with their devices over SMS and then delete the history of that, would they? Noooooooo.. never! Google, so far, has at least made it known what they do and don't really make any of it a secret.

...Just saying. :)

...Also, what's this "younger generation" crap? hah

Cue	2013-04-17 14:14

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Originally Posted by volt (Post 1336410)

It's a model that has worked well for Microsoft in the past. The only model that has worked well for Microsoft in the past, one might say. "Install our operating system on the hardware of your choice".

I think you mean "Our operating system comes with this hardware whether you like it or not" :D

BeOS, Hitachi.

NokiaFanatic

2013-04-18 11:13

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Nokia Q1 results out.

WP sales in line with expectations (but still at a very low level). Symbian probably in its last quarter of making any significant contribution. Series 30/Series 40 sales took a bit of a pasting though.

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net.../759462157.png

The numbers will be disappointing for WP regardless. WP sales are still less than 5% of the market for smart devices and there is no sign of an improvement.

As a global mobile phone brand - Nokia will be finished within a year I think.

ranbaxy

2013-04-18 11:45

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Nokia posts first quarter loss of €272 million

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Stockholm: Nokia Oyj, the Finnish mobile-phone maker seeking a comeback, reported its smallest quarterly revenue in 13 years as handset demand waned, missing analysts’ estimates and sending its stock down as much as 13%.
First-quarter sales fell 20% to €5.85 billion ($7.6 billion), Espoo, Finland-based Nokia said on Thursday. Analysts projected €6.52 billion, the average of estimates compiled by Bloomberg. Mobile-phone volumes slumped 25%.
Competition from Asian manufacturers building phones that run Google Inc.’s Android software is hurting demand for Nokia’s basic handsets. The sales miss puts chief executive officer Stephen Elop’s recovery effort at doubt, as nascent demand for the company’s Lumia smartphones isn’t enough to offset plummeting demand for Nokia’s older models.
“The lower-end mobile phone business is not doing well,” Mikko Ervasti, an analyst at Evli Bank Oyj in Helsinki, said in a phone interview. “They need to start pushing their Microsoft-based Lumias into cheaper prices to gain traction in emerging markets.”
Nokia fell as low as €2.30 and lost 9.4% to €2.39 at 2.02pm in Helsinki. The stock tumbled 22% last year, its fifth straight annual drop, and has lost 10% this year through yesterday.
The revenue was the smallest since the third quarter of 1999, when Nokia was still a more diverse company with business lines including computer monitors.
‘Tactical actions’
Sales of the flagship Lumias running Microsoft Corp.’s Windows software rose to 5.6 million units from 4.4 million in the fourth quarter as Nokia added versions. Apple Inc. and Samsung Electronics Co.’s quarterly smartphone sales exceed 100 million units combined.
Nokia sold a total of 61.9 million mobile devices during the three months. Analysts on average predicted 73 million units, including 5.7 million Lumias.
“People are responding positively to the Lumia portfolio,” Elop said in the statement. “On the other hand, our mobile phones business faces a difficult competitive environment, and we are taking tactical actions and bringing new innovation to market to address our challenges.”
Revenue at Nokia’s handset business slumped 32% to €2.89 billion. Operating profit at the unit, excluding some items, was 0.1% of sales. The company had predicted a margin of between negative 6% and positive 2%.
This quarter, that margin will be negative 2%, plus or minus 4 percentage points, Nokia predicted. Evli’s Ervasti predicts a margin of 0.7%.
Reducing costs
To reduce costs, Elop has cut more than 20,000 jobs and closed production and research sites since taking over in 2010. For the last three months of 2012, the company posted its first profit in seven quarters.
The first-quarter net loss narrowed to €272 million, or 7 cents a share, from €928 million, 25 cents, a year earlier.
Nokia Siemens Networks, the company’s equipment joint venture with Siemens AG, posted a first-quarter operating profit of €196 million, excluding some items, as sales fell 5% to €2.8 billion.
Cash position
Nokia’s net cash increased to €4.5 billion from €4.4 billion at the end of December. Nokia’s debt is at junk status with the three main rating companies. In January, Nokia scrapped its dividend for the first time in at least 143 years to bolster its liquidity position.
Once the world’s largest smartphone maker, Nokia had more than 50% of the market before Apple’s iPhone and Google’s Android were introduced about six years ago. Nokia has lost about 90% of its market value since then and fallen outside the top-five smartphone makers.
In the last three months of 2012, Cupertino, California-based Apple sold 47.8 million iPhones and South Korea’s Samsung, the biggest maker of Android devices, sold 62 million smartphones.
Elop, who joined from Microsoft, started betting on his former employer’s operating system after Nokia’s homegrown Symbian software fell out of favour among consumers.BLOOMBERG

Source

mikecomputing

2013-04-18 14:14

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FOR GOT SAKE FIRE ELOP NOW! AND HIRE BACK JOLLA TEAM AND USE SAILFISH OS :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

why do this big corporations not listen!!!!!!!!!

Dave999

2013-04-18 14:26

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1337006)

FOR GOT SAKE FIRE ELOP NOW! AND HIRE BACK JOLLA TEAM AND USE SAILFISH OS :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

why do this big corporations not listen!!!!!!!!!

Why do you think?

While you think about that, think about this. Why don't you listen to me when I telling you iPhone is superior to all your phones?

You should now know the answer for the first question.

daperl

2013-04-18 14:39

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Quick, somebody call the fire department!

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