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Lumiaman 2013-08-28 10:36
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1370007)
@Lumiaman

When you have no facts to point to you just make stuff up.

Who is being dishonest again?

rgds

With every thread .....more facts from you

Lumiaman 2013-08-28 11:02
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1370007)
@Lumiaman

When you have no facts to point to you just make stuff up.

Who is being dishonest again?

rgds
What do you think about this quote genius:

"Already in 2005 and 2006 it was obvious for some people that Symbian is an old and outdated platform. Adding an effective touchscreen user interface to Symbian would have been challenging"

Artyom 2013-08-28 11:13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1370034)
What do you think about this quote genius:

"Already in 2005 and 2006 it was obvious for some people that Symbian is an old and outdated platform. Adding an effective touchscreen user interface to Symbian would have been challenging"
Already answered that lameialord.

uTMY 2013-08-28 11:56
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@Lumiaman

As long as you know there is someone in the world that pities you.

rgds

Lumiaman 2013-08-28 12:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1370052)
@Lumiaman

As long as you know there is someone in the world that pities you.

rgds
More factual data from you. Sorry to burst your bubble .

daperl 2013-08-28 13:22
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Uh oh, the pre-opening doesn't look good. :(

Kangal 2013-08-28 13:49
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@Lumiaman

I don't get it, you're agreeing with him saying he's providing facts.
And his "facts" are that you are dishonest, biased, and troll.

Well, as long as you agree with them I won't argue against you.

uTMY 2013-08-28 14:14
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@Kangal

Actually I am pretty sure I inferred Astroturfer and Shill based on a comparison of Microsoft being caught red handed using these tactics and the striking similarity to the fabrications, misstatements and misdirections Lumiaman regularly demonstrates.

But hey, Troll fits just as well.

:-)

rgds

ps. is 3.90 opening good or bad?

strongm 2013-08-28 14:40
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1370034)
What do you think about this quote genius:

"Already in 2005 and 2006 it was obvious for some people that Symbian is an old and outdated platform. Adding an effective touchscreen user interface to Symbian would have been challenging"
I think it a quote from an article written 6 years after the fact based on anonomous contributions from ex-Nokia employees who were pretty much all in the MAemo camp, and thus likely to be a bit jaundiced in their views about Symbian.

Whilst they have some (perhaps many) legitimate gripes about the politics that did for Maemo, the quote is substantially misleading.

Here's an alternative point of view from Michal Jerz of my-symbian.com:

Quote:
What does it mean that "adding an effective touchscreen user interface to Symbian would have been challenging in 2005 or 2006?" Didn't Symbian have a touchscreen UI already in 2001-2002 (UIQ, e.g. the P800, P900) and in 2003-2004 (Hildon, Series 90, e.g. the 7700, 7710)? Can ANYONE name a MORE EFFECTIVE touchscreen user interface at that time (and in the next couple of years) than the ones on the UIQ and Series 90?

http://my-symbian.com/uiq/intro_p800.php
http://my-symbian.com/uiq/intro_p900.php
http://my-symbian.com/s90/7710_review.php

So the truth is that Symbian had the most innovative touchscreen UIs at that time (both stylus operated UIQ and finger operated S90). Why were they both KILLED by Nokia (and by SonyEricsson, but not without Nokia's role in it) and instead of that the WORST and SIMPLEST Symbian version, the one that was NEVER MEANT TO SUPPORT TOUCH was chosen as the ONLY one for further development (both by Nokia and SE) and to create touch UI for it from the scratch... only those who decided so could explain. And YES, it surely was "challenging" to add an effective touch UI to Series 60. Surely much more challenging than if the Series 90 or UIQ, with their EXISTING, advanced touch UIs were chosen instead of Series 60 and further developed.
His point really - and keeping vaguely on topic concerning share price - is that Nokia made some poor management decisions that had long term repercussions.

uTMY 2013-08-28 16:12
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@Strongm

I still have my P910i fully charged and still working, several spare stylus a spare battery and the touch screen works just fine.

I only changed when the N900 came out as that was the nearest thing to a linux distribution in my pocket on the market.

rgds

Lumiaman 2013-08-28 18:59
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by strongm (Post 1370103)
I think it a quote from an article written 6 years after the fact based on anonomous contributions from ex-Nokia employees who were pretty much all in the MAemo camp, and thus likely to be a bit jaundiced in their views about Symbian.

Whilst they have some (perhaps many) legitimate gripes about the politics that did for Maemo, the quote is substantially misleading.

Here's an alternative point of view from Michal Jerz of my-symbian.com:



His point really - and keeping vaguely on topic concerning share price - is that Nokia made some poor management decisions that had long term repercussions.
Michael's point is interesting as he pushes the fork in the road much earlier than 2005 and 2006, and above comment probably refers to the Symbian that was available in 2005 and 2006. Nonetheless, he makes interesting points in pretty much pushing the blame to pre-2005 NOKIA.

daperl 2013-08-28 19:13
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Nokias new motto could be:

"If you thought we sucked before, wait until Elop starts making decisions"

Lumiaman 2013-08-28 19:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1370210)
Nokias new motto could be:

"If you thought we sucked before, wait until Elop starts making decisions"
I got better one Craaper:

"We sucked soooo bad before, that even Elop cant get us out of this hole"

uTMY 2013-08-28 20:08
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@Lumiaman

Are you really trying to suggest that what amounts to little more than corporate in fighting and empire building around 6 years earlier in some way accounts for the catastrophic failures of Nokia under Elop?

I think the phrase you are looking for is

Clutching at straws.

rgds

Lumiaman 2013-08-28 20:14
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"We sucked soooo bad before, that even Elop cant get us out of this hole"

hey it even rhymes...

Artyom 2013-08-28 21:14
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lameiaman will never understand.

switch-hitter 2013-08-28 21:19
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1369888)
Here is what I consider a pretty interesting retrospective review of what happened at NOKIA.
And here's an illuminating blog post from a named source who worked on MeeGo.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1369827)
I vote switchman to be the new CEO of NOKIA and to resurrect the all mighty SYMBIAN!!!
There'd be no resurrection of Symbian.

Read the above blog to get some idea why MeeGo, Android, Sailfish OS, Firefox OS, Tizen, Ubuntu Touch, etc... are all Linux based.

Digia have announced the next version of Qt will fully support development for Android and iOS. So that's Android, iOS, Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch, BB10 plus any desktop you care to think of.

Mmm... Linux + Qt + NOKIA hardware :cool:

Lumiaman 2013-08-28 23:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1370251)
And here's an illuminating blog post from a named source who worked on MeeGo.


There'd be no resurrection of Symbian.

Read the above blog to get some idea why MeeGo, Android, Sailfish OS, Firefox OS, Tizen, Ubuntu Touch, etc... are all Linux based.

Digia have announced the next version of Qt will fully support development for Android and iOS. So that's Android, iOS, Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch, BB10 plus any desktop you care to think of.

Mmm... Linux + Qt + NOKIA hardware :cool:
But why not? According to you Symbian is the strongest OS in the history of mankind. Symbian still rules the world in 2/3 of your brain.
So why wouldnt King of Symbian resurrect it????? OH my....I guess Symbian wasnt that hot after all.

Lumiaman 2013-08-28 23:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1370251)
And here's an illuminating blog post from a named source who worked on MeeGo.


There'd be no resurrection of Symbian.

Read the above blog to get some idea why MeeGo, Android, Sailfish OS, Firefox OS, Tizen, Ubuntu Touch, etc... are all Linux based.

Digia have announced the next version of Qt will fully support development for Android and iOS. So that's Android, iOS, Sailfish OS, Ubuntu Touch, BB10 plus any desktop you care to think of.

Mmm... Linux + Qt + NOKIA hardware :cool:
The above blog is a joke of someones conversation with Elop. See the article I gave above that was based on multiple resources and trumps anything you have shown so far.

Lumiaman 2013-08-28 23:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Artyom (Post 1370250)
lameiaman will never understand.
Arseeeee.......how you doing today? Did you check in with your psychiatrist?

daperl 2013-08-29 00:42
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Nokias post-Elop motto should be:

"Why have 60% market share when you could have 3%"

geektech 2013-08-29 01:55
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Amazing! A two year old phone beating the flag ships Lumias on daily hits.

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-3398.php

Lumiaman 2013-08-29 03:04
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Amazing!!!! Jolla phone is not even registered on the social trends.......sorry...but Lumias do trump N9...even a dumb lumia 520 beats it hands down

http://www.google.com/trends/explore...%20n900&cmpt=q

Lumiaman 2013-08-29 03:07
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[QUOTE=daperl;1370285]Nokias post-Elop motto should be:

"Why have 60% market share when you could have 3%"[/

"Why flood the market with prehistoric operating systems that many didnt even consider smartphones, when few good quality phones will suffice"

ranbaxy 2013-08-29 06:07
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Reading this thread is fun :D I do it every morning :cool:

daperl 2013-08-29 07:06
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The Lumia 800: -$5
The Lumia 900: -$10

Both of them being left behind by WP8: Priceless!

Other Nokia mottos:

"With partners like Microsoft, who needs nuclear fallout"

or:

"Our Windows RT tablet won't be written down until 2015!"

Artyom 2013-08-29 10:53
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1370280)
Arseeeee.......how you doing today? Did you check in with your psychiatrist?
Im very fine lameiaman. have you checked in lately? Maybe they can solve the talk like a broken record and i only answer what suits my book problems of yours.

Artyom 2013-08-29 10:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ranbaxy (Post 1370299)
Reading this thread is fun :D I do it every morning :cool:
It relieves the stress.

Lumiaman 2013-08-29 12:14
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1370305)
The Lumia 800: -$5
The Lumia 900: -$10

Both of them being left behind by WP8: Priceless!

Other Nokia mottos:

"With partners like Microsoft, who needs nuclear fallout"

or:

"Our Windows RT tablet won't be written down until 2015!"

Here is few more Craper

"Better grave than Android slave"

"We will let Amdroid be so open, and spy on your every move"

switch-hitter 2013-08-29 12:27
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1370278)
But why not? According to you Symbian is the strongest OS in the history of mankind. Symbian still rules the world in 2/3 of your brain.
So why wouldnt King of Symbian resurrect it????? OH my....I guess Symbian wasnt that hot after all.
Your total lack of comprehension is really quite remarkable.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1370034)
"Already in 2005 and 2006 it was obvious for some people that Symbian is an old and outdated platform. Adding an effective touchscreen user interface to Symbian would have been challenging"
You do know Windows Phone 7 was a touch UI underpinned by the 'old', 'outdated', 'prehistoric' Windows CE, right? Not nearly as 'new and nascent' as you imagined, huh?



Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1370204)
Michael's point is interesting as he pushes the fork in the road much earlier than 2005 and 2006, and above comment probably refers to the Symbian that was available in 2005 and 2006. Nonetheless, he makes interesting points in pretty much pushing the blame to pre-2005 NOKIA.
You're getting terribly excited at discovering NOKIA pre-Elop made an unfathomable decision about which UI layer to use on top of Symbian. I imagine most everybody else here already knew that. Not only did NOKIA have S90 and Hildon but when the Symbian Foundation was formed in 2008 Motorola and Sony Ericsson contributed UIQ and NTT DoCoMo contributed MOAP(S). As I've explained to you before Symbian had touch support built in right back to the days it was called EPOC32 and ran on Psion PDAs. Who knows why NOKIA's management decided S60 would remain the primary UI layer, it's hard to imagine what the logic might have been.

Anyhow, like most of the criticism of Symbian (the UI, the browser, the email client, etc...) this issue had nothing to do with Symbian per se. Symbian could have coped perfectly well with a high quality touch UI if NOKIA had only provided it with one.

But guess what? NOKIA did eventually get the gig - they bought Qt. The Qt framework was to be added to Symbian^3 and recommended as the primary target for developers. Symbian^4 would have a whole new touch UI based on QWidget. Not only that but Qt would provide a common development framework for all NOKIA's devices irrespective of OS. The fact Qt was a superset of C++ also meant it could be used to target other platforms that weren't NOKIA's too, which could make NOKIA's SDK the first port of call for any developers who wanted to target multiple platforms from one codebase.

Finally, NOKIA had a top notch plan - a high quality touch UI, a great cross-platform development framework, the SDK was in beta and shaping up nicely, they even had Python bindings in development, then... just as their new strategy is reaching the point it could bear fruit, they revert to type and do something unfathomably stupid again. In fact exclusively adopting Windows Phone was a whole new level of stupidity.

Lumiaman 2013-08-29 12:36
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1370384)
Your total lack of comprehension is really quite remarkable.



You do know Windows Phone 7 was a touch UI underpinned by the 'old', 'outdated', 'prehistoric' Windows CE, right? Not nearly as 'new and nascent' as you imagined, huh?



You're getting terribly excited at discovering NOKIA pre-Elop made an unfathomable decision about which UI layer to use on top of Symbian. I imagine most everybody else here already knew that. Not only did NOKIA have S90 and Hildon but when the Symbian Foundation was formed in 2008 Motorola and Sony Ericsson contributed UIQ and NTT DoCoMo contributed MOAP(S). As I've explained to you before Symbian had touch support built in right back to the days it was called EPOC32 and ran on Psion PDAs. Who knows why NOKIA's management decided S60 would remain the primary UI layer, it's hard to imagine what the logic might have been.

Anyhow, like most of the criticism of Symbian (the UI, the browser, the email client, etc...) this issue had nothing to do with Symbian per se. Symbian could have coped perfectly well with a high quality touch UI if NOKIA had only provided it with one.

But guess what? NOKIA did eventually get the gig - they bought Qt. The Qt framework was to be added to Symbian^3 and recommended as the primary target for developers. Symbian^4 would have a whole new touch UI based on QWidget. Not only that but Qt would provide a common development framework for all NOKIA's devices irrespective of OS. The fact Qt was a superset of C++ also meant it could be used to target other platforms that weren't NOKIA's too, which could make NOKIA's SDK the first port of call for any developers who wanted to target multiple platforms from one codebase.

Finally, NOKIA had a top notch plan - a high quality touch UI, a great cross-platform development framework, the SDK was in beta and shaping up nicely, they even had Python bindings in development, then... just as their new strategy is reaching the point it could bear fruit, they revert to type and do something unfathomably stupid again. In fact exclusively adopting Windows Phone was a whole new level of stupidity.
There is one thing amiss. Plans are like asssssholes, everybody got one. Pre-ELOP Nokia could not deliver. Management and software engineering sucked. But hey, we will see if third try for ex Maemo and Meego workers is a charm. The fact is that they couldn't deliver on N900 or N9 either. And the other fact is that they have registered close to zero interest, thanks to their previous product misses.

daperl 2013-08-29 12:55
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Lumiadork's motto:

"I don't know what the f*ck I'm talking about. Ever."

Lumiaman 2013-08-29 13:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1370390)
Lumiadork's motto:

"I don't know what the f*ck I'm talking about. Ever."
Craper motto:

" I am sooo fine and full of myself that it's ok to make a fool of myself. Daily!"

Lumiaman 2013-08-29 13:45
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Love my iphone 5. It just works.

uTMY 2013-08-29 13:49
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so does my n900, Nokia delivered brilliantly on that.

http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/08...hief-executive

Just saying

rgds

daperl 2013-08-29 14:13
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Bye-bye, $4. Hello, $3!

uTMY 2013-08-29 14:24
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Its been below $4 in $3 all day, that can't be good yes?

rgds

daperl 2013-08-29 14:35
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It'll shoot up when Elop is safely back in Redmond. Lumiatard will have course already sold by then.

felipec 2013-08-29 15:19
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Don't feed the troll.

Everybody knows Elop drove Nokia to the ground... I mean, everybody that lives in reality.

Whatever Elop had planned for Nokia (sell it to Microsoft), it's clear it didn't pan out.

gerbick 2013-08-29 15:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by felipec (Post 1370444)
Don't feed the troll.

Everybody knows Elop drove Nokia to the ground... I mean, everybody that lives in reality.

Whatever Elop had planned for Nokia (sell it to Microsoft), it's clear it didn't pan out.
Actually the board drove Nokia into the ground. Elop was just an instrument in that endeavor.


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