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What is there not to like? Its a great phone...

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Much, much better than N9. The Jolla abomination, the child with multiple congenital anomalies, the ****** who never should have been born. The bastard who doesnt know who the father or mother is.......its N9.

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There, FTFY.

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Nokia's new PureView ad is amazing, too bad it's faked

From the article:
"...The ad shows side-by-side video — obviously intended to represent the phone's video capabilities. On the left, Nokia shows the non-stabilized version, which, predictably, looks terrible, and on the right the ad shows the perfectly smooth capture, purportedly enabled by Nokia's optical image stabilization technology. The only problem is that the video is faked."

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Faked... or simulated?

Regardless, the drop in stock price happened even to Apple during WWDC - remember?

I'm waiting to see if Nokia has learned from their prior mistakes of not announcing a date, price and distribution channels...

Oh wait, the announcement did have that information, right?

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The 920 is probably the best smartphone ever. But where is the WOW factor? The market doesn't understand the release, but Nokia does not understand how to release. The market expected real PureView but got something completely different. The market expected something bold and exciting, but got something slightly boring - and old.

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I guess it will all now depend on sales. Investors are not wowed.

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My only dislike of Lumias so far, as well as N9 abomination, is that you can not adjust fonts. I like to type words in large and bold fonts. I could do this on N900 (probably the best NOKIA phone ever), but cant do it on LUMIA or N9. If WP8 supports it, I am getting one. Anyone know?

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There is one thing that holds Nokia back. Windows phone. It doesn't allow such big sensor yet + what would a beautiful, yellow thin windows phone look like with a huge camera at the back? They couldn't do this. That's why Lumia 920 was given the catchy name PureView and not the technology.


^Lumiaman, get yourself an 808, best camera, nice OS, true multitasking and on the top of that, you can use any font you want!

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No. Nokia doesn't understand what people want any longer. They're too isolated and what they're offering isn't striking with people.

WP7/900, didn't really catch on like the SGS2. WP8/920 doesn't seem to be catching on like the SGS3.

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I think that investors wanted to hear more about the features, release date, and pricing. All of that was missing from their announcement. And I think it spooked investors. Otherwise it's a beautiful phone with lots of great features. Toss up: iPhone 5 or lumia 920. I just like supporting Nokia. Will get both:)

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And you know that when the iPhone 5 is announced, a date and price will be stated.

They need to stop doing that. Announce, release, ship all with specifics on the spot.

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The problem is, is that no one actually knows what is in WP8. If it still lacks a lot of functionality, then fancy colours and charging methods isn't going to save the Lumia line

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Sure, there's a very fine line there--but when it comes to showing off what your hardware can do, you can't "simulate" what it does and not point that out and make people thing that this is TRULY the result they'll get. Simulated doesn't always mean the same, too. I can still remember the CES back in the 1980's when Steve Jobs wanted to show off the video game graphics and improved sound of the Apple IIe playing Frogger and someone discovered an Atari 800 was actually under the table playing the game. (At the time, the Apple IIe version had 1-voice blippy chip music versus Atari's polyphonic 4-voice 8/16-bit audio, Atari also had an independent player/missile graphics processor in the ANTIC chip independent of the CPU unlike the very CPU-intensive and limited pallet sprite system in the Apple IIe). THIS is the reason why "simulated" is never a good idea at a show or presentation like the one today. Nobody trusts a "simulation" and it's even worse when you get caught in a lie of omission.

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This is clearly not "simulated"...

http://gerbick.com/images/ois_on.jpg

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This time maybe not, but it doesn't look nearly as good nor dramatic in the still shot as the commercial I posted. But to help you understand what I'm pointing out...
http://youtu.be/pytmZV0Qs7s

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Oh, I knew of the van in the reflection. My point though still stands.

This is not simulated even. This is faked. That's pretty damn bad for a company that needs to build a better reputation than this with the new line of phones.

This is up there with the Killzone 2 faked trailer that was running off of something way more powerful and different than the Playstation 3.

Faked is faked.

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http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...2cefe44cd3.png

Bad day for Nokia, but the month is... neutral.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...b7bee3396f.png

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rant:

i am a nokia N9 owner and i just wanted to say that the lumia 920 looks f*cking awesome.

i was never a windows phone fan but after actually trying out the lumia phones first-hand, i can say they completely win me over. this phone just seals the deal man.

i've always thought they made the wrong decision, going with Windows instead of MeeGo. but i am starting to see that maybe it isn't that bad.

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Nokia 920: 185g
Nokia 820: 160g.

Are those the supposed to be mass market devices? Most people I know would not buy a 160g+ device.

On the plus side I guess the 920 looks pretty sleek.

PureView is fake. Although consumers don't know that of course.

Overall not bad, but not bestseller material (a la s2). Won't save Nokia.

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Sure. People get the phone in the hand and can feel it over the magic 160g barrier LOL :D

The 920 is awsome, just not my cup of coffee. From the general news though, people seem to like it.

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What is the display like? I hope its not abominable N9 too saturated and more like N900 or iphone like display. Anyone know?

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Bought 420 Nokia stocks the other day at 2.4€ a piece, thinking they can only go up. Right now, my investment is worth 200€ less. Hah. Anyway, I'm confident, in the long run, I will make killer profits 8). In fact, I'm thinking I should buy 420 more stocks if they go below 1.5€. From what I gather, the current downfall is not due to bad reception of the new phones, but the fact that they didn't set a release date. I'm hoping very hard that the rumors are true, and that they'll be available at the end of October. Also hoping that the rumors about iPhone 5 turn out to be true, and that it's just a lame incremental update with no new features to speak of..

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Just pointing out that I have to wonder if that's part of the reason why the stocks are flopping--maybe people were already reacting to the news as it made waves across the Internet and more and more people saw that they were faking everything--in addition to the fact that the 920 specs are relatively humdrum at this point. They're late to the game and it's showing.

I can't be the only one that noticed he kept repeating 420 over and over. Trying to tell us something between the lines, are you? :)

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Great devices no doubt!

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Hahah... Doubt.

Also... a little more detail (and some explanations) on the faked.. well, pretty much faked EVERYTHING (stills, videos, commercial, etc.):
http://www.zdnet.com/nokia-admits-to...ad-7000003842/

The aperture on the 920 isn't even capable of producing some of the shots they claim were made with the device. That's pretty damning.

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danramos. whats wrong with them?

I love to have options.

EDIT: Danramos, do you ever explain what you mean or you just negative trolling all the time without reason?

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At least, I didn't inhale :p

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There's absolute no proof that they faked the stills. In fact, they even specifically state that they were taken with the Lumia 920. Hands on experimenting goes to show that the camera is quite amazing in low light conditions. Or did they fake that too somehow, just because we all dislike Elop so much?

http://nokiapoweruser.files.wordpres...7972_575px.jpg

http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-cont...ight-test.jpeg

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I wonder what the board is thinking about the stock development on the day of the big launch?

Do they really not understand that the market was expecting a Pure-Pureview WP8 device, not todays "Lumia900S"?

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The board and Elop should be fired before they move on with the windows strategy.

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No. That's not the problem. The phones were well received. The problem was that they didn't out a release date and price. The market wanted to hear that the phones would be out soon, and not the last week of December only after the Christmas sales, etc. as is typical to Nokia. The market wanted to hear that the phones would be out by late October, or sooner. I have no idea why Nokia didn't say anything apart from Q4, but I suspect it's because MS didn't allow..

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some analyse ppl in sweden beleives nokia may have around 5 percent of the market in the longrun... If you thinls thats good its stands for you...

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Just yesterday I read about an analyst who said it's almost certain that Nokia stock price will top at least 5€ a piece next year. I also recall reading an analysis that predicted > 20% market share for WP towards the end of 2013. Anyway, I think all analysts are full of **** and just guessing. Some of their guesses may be more educated than others..

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wasnt samsung announce a wp device? Did they give price/avaible time? Just wonder because it seems related to microsoft cant give date to theyr OS even if Eflop said wp was more ready than meego 2011 :mad:

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I think I already pointed it out a couple of times. The specs aren't particularly wow-worthy in mid-2012 anymore and the marketing for them isn't helping now that they're being proven faked.

Seriously? First--you clearly didn't pay attention to the evidence that was being shown in those articles I posted. Second--Nokia already came out to admit they were faked and apologized for them being misleading.

Here.. here's one of the PLETHORA of articles pointing out that they're apologizing, in case it helps:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/st...a-fake-ad.html

Go back a page or two and bother to read the posts before you try to play smart with me. You're making yourself look unqualified.

I agree with that, but diversification and actually asking customers what they want in a product they would buy might also be the only proper solution at this point, in my opinion. The Microsoft monoculture that Nokia has set itself upon was never a winning strategy and has proven itself out as a losing strategy even more every day that passes.

Along with the news of faked "sample photos" and "sample videos" marketing, this also makes it smell like vapourware--even if there are prototypes about. I think that might be premature, honestly, but it DOES make it smell a little like it.

And also.. isn't it AWESOME that Microsoft can micro-manage Nokia from afar like that? All the risk, with very little to personally lose should this all fail miserably (as it has so far). Microsoft doesn't have to be the one to report it all to regulators like the Securities & Exchange Commission (SEC) nor stockholders the way Nokia has to and make it look like a thorough failure on their own shoulders. This gives Microsoft a chance to blame the other guy! Nokia 2012 = Kin 2010

Perhaps--but it hardly matters when the whole company isn't hitched to the Microsoft crazy train.

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I doubt there is some company who has such good camera as 920 or 808 in case of light. I would go for one if it run harmattan. For me camera specs is important. There is so many crapmobile cameras. n9 is good but could be better in lowlight/inhouse. I really hope jolla atleast compete with n9 on camera but...

but anyway if someone proves me wrong, give me the company.

however I would not be suprised see samsung next year show similar. Because of the facts that samsung is biggest copycat atm...

and btw about the fake? You people cant be serius if you think any company does NOT fake theyr marketting videos? The only stupidness in this is nokia should just had shutup after it was shown..

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Do you think this is fake? One of the best promotions I've seen in a long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7TB8b2t3QE

I'm really tired of stage announcment. I want live life announcment.

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They didn't fake the stills, just the video. They specifically stated this. Some website claims that the night-shots were faked because of the way some lights looked. It didn't make any sense to me, and not a single techblog is reporting it, only the part about the video with the reflection of the van.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/...he-next-level/

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here's the demo they showed on the keynote, not as spectacular but it compares the s3 and 920
http://youtu.be/6HSbhyaH0vw

the still with the night shot and light flares of the girl with moving traffic are NOT the 920, because flares require smaller aperture, this one http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/12...marena_001.jpg
Source:http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_...-news-4769.php

but the girl in the park i believe are actual pics of the 920, this one http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/12...marena_005.jpg

however here's a demo of the 920, s3, and 4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYYr1cG8hEY
NOTE:flash with the 920 was a focusing light not a flash.
source: video itself.

but with anything announce i reserve final judgment till the final product that i can see for myself, especially the ips display. i love amoled and "always on" clock and notifications

till then still wanna look at nexus device and gonna use my n900

cheers!