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-   -   Why I won't buy n800's for my employees (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8673)

daihard 2007-08-10 03:53
Re: Why I won't buy n800's for my employees
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iball (Post 67236)
I don't get this. If a company with a known history of supporting OSS releases a free-to-download-and-use SDK for a non-Linux operating system, that somehow makes it lesser than the FOSS model?
I didn't say anything was lesser than the FOSS model. I just like Linux and the FOSS model. That's all. When something is Linux-based, it makes it easier for me to play with it because I'm used to the Linux way. :)

Traecer 2007-08-10 04:12
Re: Why I won't buy n800's for my employees
 
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Originally Posted by loki (Post 67191)
Sure, you are right!

But, a nice PIM application/suite would make the device (as you can see) also interesting for companys and there are many normal users (i know much of them personally in real-life) who simply miss them.

So, in the end the argument that the device is just for consumers and for that reason it don't needs a pim app, is a way to weak for myself.
people simply expect from a device of this mini-computer-style that it can at least organize your life...

So, ask yourself... why are there so many people out there which are complaining about missing pim applications?
I think the answer is simple: they are consumers and they miss a pim! :rolleyes:

greetz,
loki
I agree! As I've started transferring my schedule from my Treo to GPE-Calendar + Google Calendar (with Erminig), I've started to see the potential of that arrangement. Consumers sometimes need to coordinate schedules too. In particular, this arrangement will be great for planning group trips. Layout your schedule in Google Calendar so everyone can see it, then sync the calendar to your N800 and take it on your trip. Why bother with the last part? Because on your trip, you're not going to have access to the Internet 100% of the time, if at all. But your schedule is safely tucked away on N800 whenever you need it.

Milhouse 2007-08-10 04:20
Re: Why I won't buy n800's for my employees
 
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Originally Posted by loki (Post 67181)
the idea of a package-system isn't bad. it way it is done here in maemo must simply get better. but many popular errors are simply caused by the graphical package manager, not by the repositorys (even when some of them are temporary down). there are popular systems as the debian/ubuntu repositorys which shows how uncomplicated it can be.
There's recently been a lot of discussion in the maemo developers mailing list about repositories and how to improve the current situation, so be assured that Maemo/Nokia are listening and know the current situation isn't perfect... expect improvements in the future. :)

iball 2007-08-10 05:31
Re: Why I won't buy n800's for my employees
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 67248)
There's recently been a lot of discussion in the maemo developers mailing list about repositories and how to improve the current situation, so be assured that Maemo/Nokia are listening and know the current situation isn't perfect... expect improvements in the future. :)
Ah yes, the "maemo-testing" respository idea....good one.

fpp 2007-08-10 05:49
Re: Why I won't buy n800's for my employees
 
Couldn't seriously get worse, anyway :-)

ArnimS 2007-08-10 07:09
Re: Why I won't buy n800's for my employees
 
How about employing one competent debian-packager to clean up remaining package issues and upload these third party hacker ports to the extras repo.

swing 2007-08-10 10:24
Re: Why I won't buy n800's for my employees
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iball (Post 67174)
Now you know why it's called the N800 and not the E800.
Honestly, why is it that some folks think every single handheld device HAS to have business features?
The N800 is a consumer-oriented device, not a business-oriented device!
Although I agree in principle with the point about being in the multimedia range of devices from Nokia, looking at www.nseries.com it's fair to say that the N800 is the single only device in the N Series range which does not have PIM and sync functionality built into the device.

As I say, I understand why it does not (PIM and sync are not key to multimedia devices), but it does stand out in the range for not having it...

Texrat 2007-08-10 11:14
Re: Why I won't buy n800's for my employees
 
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Originally Posted by daihard (Post 67190)
I don't think mail/contact/calendar synchronization is necessarily business-oriented. I'd like to be able to create/update/delete contact information, calendar events and what not on my desktop PC when at home, and be able to view them on my N800 on the road. Likewise, I'd like to be able to add a new entry using my N800 and sync it right up with my desktop PC once I get home. They are personal needs and have got nothing to do with business.
The man has a point.

So did iBall, too... it all comes down how you look at it. I look at it like this: :rolleyes:

Rebski 2007-08-10 11:20
Re: Why I won't buy n800's for my employees
 
Since when is a need for a PIM specifically a business one? We all use calendars etc. and many of us want to use our N800 for this. It being an internet tablet, then I am happy to adopt Google’s PIM applications.

However until such time as wi-fi access is universal we should be able to store this synched information on the device itself. Personally that is all I am asking for, a PIM suite that is synched with Google for those times when I find myself offline.

This seems to me to come fully within the parameters of the Internet Tablet brief.

What beats me is why Nokia haven’t yet provided this facility. Maybe because they themselves are still working out what exactly is the scope of an internet tablet and I suspect that much this expanding envelope is taking them by surprise.

=DC= 2007-08-10 11:37
Re: Why I won't buy n800's for my employees
 
For Calendar: http://www.google.com/calendar/m
For Email/Contacts: http://mail.google.com/mail/h/

Sure you have to be "connected", but it works when you are.

It would be great to have these services sync for offline use. Maybe we should call up the Google peeps to see what they can do about our little dilemma. I think the solutions are there, they're just not the ones most users are accustom to.


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