Delays in messaging
 

First of all, will I ever get rid of the Captcha? (this is my 1st post)

Second, and on topic:
I sometimes send an SMS, and it says it's forever sending, although my contact on the other side confirms that it has received the text msg already.
This isn't a big of a deal, since I only loose for a few minutes (sometimes hours) the information that tells me when the message was received.
What REALLY bugs me is when people send ME an sms:
If I'm using the phone, I can see a preview on the notifications bar, and if it was locked, I can also see a preview on the lock screen...
However, if I swype at the lock screen, or click the notifications bar, or even go to the "Messages" app manually, it surprisingly doesn't show the damn message on the conversation.

This usually happens when I'm texting with 2+ people at the same time... I'm guessing this is somehow caused by a problem with my Message tracker or something? If that exists...
Also, is it possible that my "idle apps" are causing the phone to become a little slower? (idle apps are apps that can be closed, although they still do their "jobs", like ProfileMatic, MyMoves, EasyAnswer, etc...)

I've been having these problems almost since I can remember...
I could live with this problem of only being able to see the messages after a few minutes (sometimes hours) after I receive them, but I'm sick of comments telling me to throw my phone away, or send it to warranty :/
I LOVE my N9, I've never seen such great piece of technology, that's why I REALLY don't want to send it to warranty, knowing that they'll probably just format the phone to fix it :/
And as obvious, the worst thing someone can tell me is that my phone sucks... but I'm getting a bit off-topic here...

Any ideas on how I can MAYBE fix this?

If you can tell me which is the "App" I need to restart, instead of the whole phone, that would be brilliant, although it doesn't fix the problem, it could save me precious minutes since the phone takes 1 or 2 minutes to restart completely... (I'm talking about restarting the Messaging app, since I've seen you can restart the Stand-by screen also, if you're doing changes to it (I've read the whole topic about that)).

Sorry for the long post, and any help/reply is much appreciated!

Later,
Chinoman10.

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Do you have fastern9 installed?

The messaging app can be killed in terminal as user:

killall messaging-ui


Edit: I've on many occassions had 3-7 chat windows open for SMSes and IMs but never faced the same issue...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

No, no I haven't...
I've also read about 5 pages or so about that App.
I haven't installed it since I've read that it bugs some other stuff because of lower priorities.. Like GPS and such.. Also read that at the latest version it drains more battery as well...
Enough about FasterN9..

So, if I kill the Messaging App, will it restart automatically, or at least when I open it through the home screen?

Thanks for the "quick reply" (I'm using to replying in less than an hour, but I know that in these forums, if I get a reply in less than 12h I can consider myself lucky :) ).

I'll be waiting for the next one :),
Chinoman10.

PS: I can see the CAPTCHA is recurrent in this forum :)

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Well this forum too has quick replies of much shorter than 12hrs so don't fret :p I had seen your thread earlier when you posted it but was too lazy too reply :p


Killing the messaging-ui will close all open windows...If you then receive a new text or im, you will be notified of it automatically...You wouldn't need to open it thru' the home screen...

Can I have your tracker logs?

They are found in /home/user/.local/share/tracker/

Just zip them all up and attach them here or link them here...


Edit: Captcha will go away I think once you reach 10posts...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

I can see that, I'm glad to actually be on the other side for a change :) (I've been mod/admin on forums since I was 14.. since then I'm used to give the replies as fast as I can give so nobody gets tired of waiting ^^, but I've never went on a useful forum where I'd have a similar "service").

Anyways...
I'll take a look and find them.
As soon as I find and zip them, I'll edit this post or reply if there's a new one in the meantime.
Refresh once in a while ;)

Thanks in advance,
Chinoman10.

Edit: Any way of doing it fast without using the terminal? :/ I've tried USB and even using a Web Server (from N9) but I can't access the user folder, or the home one for that matter...
Edit2: Used a QAD File Manager that I downloaded while it was still free.. Works much better than the Web Server app I downloaded (since it also does that, and better)... A Zip is attached.

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Use WinSCP and navigate to the path...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Personally I prefer to use FileZilla on my PC & Laptop.
But is there a FTP server app for N9? :)

Thanks for the tip anyways :)

Later,
Chinoman10.

Edit: Thanks for the Captcha info :) I'm more relieved now xD

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Nope...nothing interesting in your tracker logs recently...

Just one thing...I realized your logs are from December 2011 onwards so you are on which fw version? How did you upgrade to your fw?

Edit: FYI, I'm not a mod/admin etc...Just a regular user who helps out in his free time...This is a community; everyone is free to ask/offer advice...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Does SMS have trackers too?

Only recently I've discovered this forum, and only today I decided that this forum was worth registered and being part of.
So I'm not really into a lot, although I consider myself a fairly advanced user since I do a lot of Java programming and ASP as well... (also installed 6GB of Qt as well... I hope I can develop something myself ^^)

Thanks in advance,
Chinoman10.

PS: Next time I have a "crysis" I'll try your method of rebooting the Messaging app... If it doesn't work, or it's a bit faulty, I'll make a video demonstrating my problem so you can be sure of what I'm talking about :) thanks for the help so far!

I'll check.. And edit as soon as I confirm, but I think it's PR1.2.
Edit: Confirmed: Version: "PR1.2 (30.2012.07-1.398.1_PR_398)"
Edit2: I usually upgrade on-the-fly when my phone tell me it has updates. But I've heard PR1.3 has been released for a few months now, I even saw the official release posts by Nokia, but as usual they said that it's normal if it takes a few months for it to arrive at my country (Portugal), so I've been waiting ever since... I also try and check manually, but of no avail...

Yea, I know that mate :) As I said, I've been using forums since I was a kid, so I pretty much know the differences ;) specially since I'm usually on the "other side" as well ;)

Later,
Chinoman10.

Re: Delays in messaging
 

You might want to re-install the messaging components once and for all to prevent any doubts from that part...

There are .db files for tracker too in /home/user/.config/tracker/ You might want to use sqllite to investigate the .db files the next time this issue pops up...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

And how can I do that reinstallation? Sorry if it's an obvious question xD
Great, database files :) those will be good exercises for college xD

Anyways, I've only noticed now the amount of errors I've been typing... I feel such a noob :( ..
I usually am a Grammar Nazi myself, so yea D:
But it's 08:37AM and I haven't slept, so I'm guessing I can have a tiny discount? ^^"

Anyways, thanks for all the help so far :)

Later,
Chinoman10.

Re: Delays in messaging
 

No probs ;)

To re-install all messaging components in terminal as root do:

You can also do all of the above in one go:

In messaging-ui-settings-398, the 398 is your PR legacy as I could infer from your fw version...For example global fw will be messaging-ui-settings-001...


If you want to upgrade to pr1.3 the best method is doing a clean full flash instead of OTA updates as there is a high likelihood of more things going wrong in the OTA update from pr1.2 to pr1.3...

Let me know of any errors from the reinstallation above...


Edit: If you do a full clean flash to update to pr1.3, I would suggest flashing to the global pr legacy 001 firmware instead of the same pr legacy as your current one...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

I'm familiar/work with Linux, so I do know "a few" ways around it :)
It's just that, like I said, I haven't explored my phone enough to know which processes there are, except the ones I see at "top" and so on..

Anyways, a few more questions before doing anything of what you've been saying since the beginning of the thread :) (I'll start doing them as things aggravate, except perhaps the upgrade to PR1.3):
1. Luckily I never needed to flash the phone, and I've been trying to prevent it from bricking, so I've been very careful in the things I do :).
1.1. Why do you consider the OTA updates more likely to produce problems? I prefer these since they're made specifically for w/e I have, or where I am.. If you know what I mean... I don't want to have the "Russian ROM's" problems and stuff that my friends at college have to deal with every month when they want to update their Android (always told them: That's why I love Nokia, I have full permissions, no need for jailbreak, not forcing a ROM into the phone :), no viruses (so far), etc...).
1.2. Can you point me into a tutorial to flash to PR1.3, 001 legacy? I've seen a few around the forum, but I usually see "reset flash" to go back to 1.1...

Once again, thanks for everything so far :),
Chinoman10.

PS: I've been thanking all your posts on this thread, not because I like to "spam thanks" or anything else, rather it's just that you've been helping since the beginning, so I feel like the least I could do it a quick press to the Thanks button :) (at least it doesn't ask if you're really sure, like my forum T_T)

Re: Delays in messaging
 

See the issue with OTA updating from pr1.2 to pr1.3 is that pr1.3 was quite a major bug-fixing update so the likelihood of bugs remaining due to a clean upgrade not being performed increases...

The more serious issue with the OTA is that there have been people who while doing an OTA update have suddenly found their device to be in open mode at the end of the process due to no fault of their own...

Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 for the guide on flashing...

The Russian ROM problem you mentioned won't happen when flashing to a Global FW due to the Global fw simply being a clean pr1.3 fw without any localization done...Its also without pre-loaded maps of your region so you will need to download them once the flash is done and your device is operational...The main advantage with Global FW is that whenever there is a new update [albeit pr1.3.1 or pr1.4 still seem some time away and will be the last one] you'll be among the first people to receive it...Since Global FW doesn't have any localization done; the probabilities of something messing your system due to different pre-loaded apps/services is significantly lowered...

Do take note that the n9 is not like your typical Symbian handset whereby you can downgrade firmware...How you saw reset flash to pr1.1 is something I'm not too sure about as its well-publicised that you can't downgrade...

So if you are on pr1.2 the only options you have when flashing are:

- Stick to the same pr legacy of 398 in pr1.2

- Flash to a higher pr legacy than 398 in pr1.2

- Flash to any pr legacy in pr1.3

The problem with flashing pr1.3 legacy 398 is that you can't downgrade to pr1.3 legacy < 398 but flashing with global fw of legacy 001 leaves you open to flash whatever you may want in the future including a flash to pr1.3 legacy 398...


Hope the above clarifies things...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Dude, the problem has nothing to do with tracker, neither these commands, because if you reflash, reboot or whatever, it will stay the same, just try a lot of times.. It will get fixed by itself, first time it took 12 hrs for the message from my Aunt to come.. Then 1 hr for the message from my friend to come, then 30 minutes for the other message from my Aunt to come.. then it worked, just try it a couple of times..

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Genius :p :rolleyes:

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Did you move your messages from your N900 to your N9?

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Seriously I had the issue, a reflash didn't fix that either, this one fixed it for me..

Re: Delays in messaging
 

AMD your phone has been certified Alien-infested even in the N9QTweak thread and not only by me...

Then why bother? :p

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Another person had the issue, you say I don't read.. Go check the thread! He has the same f-ing issue!

Re: Delays in messaging
 

I rather help people with sensible solutions instead of looking thru' the drivel you post everywhere :p...

There is a cause for every effect...Even if your method works there is an underlying cause why it happened...And NO, I'm not interested in trouble-shooting your causes further...


Edit: I'm not flooding this thread with anymore off-topic posts and AMD to your post below; You know the number of times you PM me for troubleshooting for you so stop the charade...Please learn and explore; NOBODY is hindering you ;) My point is just that there is a cause for everything and the solution you posted on must also have its cause!

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Who said for you to troubleshoot my problems/causes?! I said go check that there is another person having the issue! I have proof!
PS You were my level once, and you learned and reached here, give me space to learn and reach this too -.-

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Actually it DOES work if I reboot... But I REALLY don't want to reboot my cellphone every time I get an important message I need to read and reply back...
And I'm not sure you read my first post... I DO GET the messages on my phone, it's not the problem that you guys were having about the iPhone smileys... Try and read my post bettter, k?

Later,
Chinoman10.

PS: Thanks for trying to help tho...

I'm pretty sure if you check my profile you'll see I don't own, or I never owned a N9500 or any Maemo phone for that matter...
Always S60, Symbian^3 (N8) or MeeGo (N9)...

Later,
Chinoman10.

Re: Delays in messaging
 

I have the same issue as the org, poster. I found out this happens when i have alot of SMS's on my phone. Like ALOT (i average 5k-7k per month)

The only way to fix this is by apparently Deleting the messages from everyone , if you try this it will work 'normally' again untill you fill up your texts to that certin amount and once again you would have to delete again.

Like i said this is the only way it works for me, if someone has a permanent sollution without the need to delete the txts let me know as i love to keep mine without deleting too

*note* on my n900 i never experienced this problem and i had alot of texts there too!

Re: Delays in messaging
 

You'll have to look thru' the .db files as I had mentioned on the previous page...Check if there's anything you can modify to solve this issue...

AFAIK, the n9 is not made for a huge number of messages...Anything above 2k slows down the phone; try plugging in your phone to Nokia Suite and a warning will come about this figure...

Anyway it still should be fixable...Just look thru your .db files...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Doing it now...
Let's see if it fixes the problem, or I'll be forced to update to PR1.3 :)
(I'm just lazy ^^")

Later,
Chinoman10.

Edit: Looks like it finished... All the messages remained, that's good... Let's see if I still get these stupid delays or not ^^
Edit2: It didn't quite fix the issue, but it's a lot better now :D anyways I'll upgrade to PR1.3 as soon as I get the time...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

So I started trying out this tutorial you sent me...
All good at the Firm something software, until I reached the "Variants" part...
Since PR1.3 hasn't reached at Portugal yet, my variant 059M1L7 isn't available for PR1.3...
You said something about Legacy version? Which one is it?
Also, if it isn't made for Portugal, what is going to happen with the maps?

Thanks in advance,
Chinoman10.

Re: Delays in messaging
 

can you tell me your colour and variant?

I'll give you the direct link to download the global variant...

Since maps don't come bundled into global, the size of the emmc.bin is reduced to only 256mb instead of 2+GB...

You can then download the maps you desire once flashing is done...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

It's Cyan.
How do I download the maps afterwards?

Later,
Chinoman10.

Re: Delays in messaging
 

I'm out currently so will get you the links later...

By variant I meant 16/64GB...What you posted is product code .. Anyway since its cyan it means 16GB...

Maps can be downloaded by going to the maps app and click on Manage Maps...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Oh.. Well yea...
I wish I had 64 ... but this phone was on a promo, by being blue, and... yea...
It's still good anyways, I can put several movies in here and stuff...
If I need a pen, I already have a 64GB USB3.0 pen :P

Alright, it's all cool then...
I'll wait for your links :)

Thanks for everything so far ^^

Later,
Chinoman10.

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Ok Mr. Later :p,

Here you go:

16GB ROW Cyan pr1.3 rootfs.bin: http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/f...M1-958_ARM.bin


emmc.bin: http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/f...MMC_NOMAPS.bin

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Awesome, thanks :D
Still, I'd still appreciate an extra hand ^^"
I'm really worried about all of this, so I just want to make sure I do everything right :)
(I was like this when I first formatted a computer as well :P it's funny that now I see it as the simplest thing in the world, but for a phone firmware upgrade I'm all worried ^^")

So, here goes the questions:
1. How do I back-up "normally"? Which are the different ways of backing up, and which are the best/worst?
1.1. I would hate it very much if I lost my ProfileMatic's settings, or my AlchemyClassicPremium's "game story", for example...
I know how to obviously backup movies and pictures and videos, since I have access to all files... but... yea, back to question 1. .
2. As for "de-branding", I'm not sure if my phone is "branded" or not, but will the option "Replace Operating System" also de-brand, or only the "Comprehensive reset"?
3. main.bin and emmc.bin. Main is the 1,1GB one, and the emmc is the 255MB one? Can I change the names of these so it makes my life easier when typing commands?

Thanks :P,
Chinoman10.

Edit: Can/Should I try out "FasterN9" before this? I really wanted to try it out, now that it's "Stable" and everyone says it works flawlessly...
Edit2: Is there any way, other than "Thanking" your post that I can do something to show my appreciation for all your help? Maybe Like a facebook page you might have, or vote on a poll or something? :)

Re: Delays in messaging
 

1) Once you are doing a clean flash to pr1.3 it would be recommended to not restore a backup so as not to mess up things...Maybe what you can do is do a backup and copy it to your PC then delete all folders except the messaging one so that your messages are restored after a clean flash...

1.1) You can't back up those things but N9QTweak does allow you to backup Profilematic settings...Maybe check the wiki if it allows for the game(s) you want too...

2) What you need to do is open cmd.exe as administrator and do:

3) Yes you are correct...Editing of file names is advisable so no issues there...

4) You can use FasterN9 on pr1.3...It'll be better as IIRC the last few versions have been developed on a pr1.3 device with pr1.3 target audience...

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Meh... I wrote a whole post...
Lost it because I closed FireFox and forgot I had this tab open...
Anyways, I'll fill with patience and type it again...

So... Don't the programs store their variables locally?
I mean... If I do a integral backup of all files and folders, upgrade to 1.3, and then install the apps, and replace a few files, wouldn't my data be saved that way?

Ahh.. Also, do you recommend using Nokia PC Suite, or maybe Nokia Link? Or just a raw integral backup like I mentioned before?

Thanks,
Chinoman10.

Re: Delays in messaging
 

the program's files are saved in /home/user/ you may want to copy your data from there and do a manual restore...

Nokia Suite v3.6 is pretty good so use it instead... Nokia Link is pretty useless IMO...

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Errr... I got 3.5.34... Where can I get v3.6?

Later,
Chinoman10.

Re: Delays in messaging
 

Nokia beta labs...

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Awesome, thanks...
I feel such a noob right now >_<
Sorry for all the obvious questions...

Later,
Chinoman10.

Edit: After almost an hour of waiting, it actually finished checking how many messages I have, and it did gave me the warning you told me about... That I have over 2k messages (well duh)..
Edit2: It can't although sync my messages... Which is pretty f'ed up... But none-the-less I'll start doing my backups and stuff so I can finally move to PR1.3 :)

Re: Delays in messaging
 

This problem has to do with telco and the N9, tried tested and proven. Although a reboot normally fixes the issue. It has to do with a few things that are outside of my understanding, but if you Flash a new firmware onto your N9 this issue disappears.

Your best bet is to not keep too many texts on the N9.