[Council] Last Call for Council Nominations And Bylaw Review
 

The nomination period for Council and the Board of the new Foundation are ending in just under 48 hours.* To date we have had NO submissions for Council and only two for the Board.* If there's no interest in keeping Maemo.org going, ignore this and it very well may go away.

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Also, what may be the final version of the bylaws (version 5) has been posted on the TMO thread where there's been a lively discussion going on.* For those involved in that, thank you.* For those who would like to check them out and comment, please hit the link.



Link: Original article.

Re: [Council] Last Call for Council Nominations And Bylaw Review
 

If I may...

Would it be unreasonable to postpone the board elections and ask the current council to stay as a provisional board at least until the immediate infrastructure situation is resolved?

Electing a new board in mid-October, then doing a proper handover and letting the new people catch up with all the things you guys have been doing, ongoing negotiations etc, while the plugs are due to be pulled 2 months later (and during a holiday season where it would be next to impossible to find people and get them to do anything) seems like a recipe for disaster.

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While I agree, it seems to me, that transferring current Council into provisional board, would need referendum in itself (as it's. in fact, elevating permissions for current Council, which require referendum, as per Council statute).

Which, I'm afraid, kinda defeats the purpose. Also, and what may be more important, we actually have some nice names nominating themselves for Board elections - I'm not sure if auto-nominating current Council as Board, wouldn't be kinda put down for those people.

/Estel

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maybe the lack of candidates can also be seen as a vote of confidence by the Community for the current Council?
furthermore it makes sense to keep the current Council; the issues being dealt with are complex, more so i feel then the traditional "repository / package" bla bla that the Council had to deal with in the past.
doesn't it make sense for the current Council to carry on?

as to the board for the foundation...
we had Councils in the past with less then five candidatees; most recently, until last spring, Rob (SD69) was the sole active member :eek:
would it be completely unreasonable to institute Tim and Texrat as board?
hopefully they didn't apply for the "popularity contest" of the elections & all that crap...

thus:

• current Council carries on
• current candidates for the Board are tacitly elected

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Nah, the foundation and its board are outside the scope of any current regulations.

The council merely represents the community to the board. It has no authority to enter agreements and do whatever else needs to be done to keep the lights on.

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I lost interest when the current council immediately accepted expensive gifts from Nokia and effectively ignored criticism about it. Take your resounding mandate of 200 votes and do with it what you will.

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if memory serves well, two members of the Council got a N950; one has been outed from the Council and the other has been on the Council for longer then anyone cares to count and has kept the Community alive bare-handedly. he got a N950 as reward to his fulfilled contributions to the Community. and he has been setting up the by-laws pretty much ever since...
(afterthought: you are an ungrateful prick)

if you wanted a N950 (another one?) so bad, maybe you should have applied then to get on the Council as well?

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Which is related to *newly elected* (soon) Board of Directors and self-governed Hildon Foundation, in dozen ways, that You're going to explain now, to avoid looking like rant-man, right?


It would be, if not for a single "problem" - foundation and it's board is going to be "given" things belonging to "current" Community (and Council representing it), like repositories, domain and name, data from various servers, working units, etc. While I agree, that legally it's quite flexible, at least "good tone" require this takeover to be proceed with respect to regulations of current Community. Which means, via referendum.

After all, if "Community" is going to pass own "belongings" to be maintained by group of people (BoD), it's natural that "Community" does it following own regulations (election, referendum on accepting bylaws...).

Sure, legally, Nokia could just give those data to anyone they want - that why I've put "Community belongings" into quotas - but, this way, it would look rather like hostile takeover, than fair one.
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Personally, I share [b[lma[/b]'s concerns - but, I understand why those people (current Council) want to do it following already existing regulations. And, despite old disagreements, I respect them for going "fair way" - I think it's better done like that.

/Estel

// Edit

Well, I've missed fragment about newly elected BoD being expected to resign, when handover is done, and Foundation starts working. Here I agree with lma totally - it is nice recipe for disaster, such "rain of elections" and handovers in so short time intervals.

But, instead of asking current Council to become initial BoD, I would propose, to make initial BoD full cadence one - after all, they're going to be elected, so no reason for them to resign after two or three months. Makes sense?

/Estel

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I understand what you're saying, but legally the community doesn't exist and so those things don't belong to it. Without a foundation to receive them they will simply vanish forever at the end of the year anyway (even with a foundation, there are no guarantees that the current Nokia will do the right thing).

At this stage, a 3 week delay to wait for more candidates could be catastrophic. Unless at least a couple more (an unelected board would be bad for many reasons and would have serious problems negotiating with Nokia as you know first-hand) candidates magically appear by tomorrow, I'd rather postpone the elections and handover until things are in place. And after all, the current council has been elected by the community while it was well understood that getting the foundation started would be its primary responsibility. I see no reason why they shouldn't run it for a few months.

That's fine by me, but 2-3 months and a year are very different things and quite understandably they might not want to.

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Well, I'm completely convinced by Your argumentation.

Frankly, possibility of *not* having enough BoD candidates until deadline, (for holding election) wasn't something that I took into account, or believed, that could happen (even now, I have sneaky suspicion, that few of current Councilors are going to throw their names into hat, at last moment).

*If* enough candidates appear, I'm all for voting and keeping elected BoD for full, year-time cadence. If, OTOH, we won't have enough candidate, lma's proposition seems most reasonable thing to do. Delaying everything via 3/4 of a month is asking for catastrophe, I agree.

/Estel

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A possible reason that there has been little participation is the overwhelming avalanche of dense politicking & contractual construction of several aspects that exploded simultaneously & on fairly short order.

It is not unexpected that many folks won't be able to get too deep into analysis & conversation with something that is not only complex, but unresolved. It's not just a personality or disposition issue, but a time issue.

Count me among the ones that were hoping that those who actually had the time & resources allowing them to follow & put this together more carefully would do so, & then come in when the aspects were more settled except for a vote.

I know a lot of this comes at almost the 11th hour because of Nokia's not giving a clear answer about anything until it's almost up against a wall, but it would be a more reasonable expectation from the community to deal with only one issue, resolve it, deal with the next issue, resolve it, rather than right now the board/council/bylaws vote with at least three major discussions going on now in several "click here" links that are difficult to find time & consideration for independently.

It would have been nice if the current council's term could be extended for another term for stability & simplification of the transition. It would be appreciated if they re-nominated themselves to cut the rest of us some slack.

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Personally, I think that BoD thing was a little under-announced. Sure, it went into main communication channels, but it never become "hot topic" - like, for example, (much less important) Council election, before last voting, (almost) half a year ago.

Do You remember, how "hot" it was there, resulting in enough candidates to held election, and immediate interest/action, when voting didn't started as expected?

Now, it seems to me, that only few dedicated individuals would even notice. It's not that I'm accusing current Council - formally, they did everything they were supposed to do. It just that, in my personal (and possibly, unjustified) opinion/feeling, there was lack of passionate "flame", while announcing it, convincing to take part, etc. It seems, that Council's actions, while formally OK, lacked dedicated advocates in Community.

You may call it lack of charisma, if You wish. Anyway, it resulted in lack of widespread interest, and only 2 candidates for 10 positions - which sounds like worse result ever. If You think about it, the same was seen during Council's meeting - since something about 1,5 month, they become less and less populated (to the point that, once, only one Councilor was present, with zero guests, so he had nothing other to do, than closing meeting) and shorter.

Just a personal opinion - feel free to disagree. No matter of cause we have only 2 candidates for BoD, and 0 for Council - current Councilors will, probably, need to volounteer as self-appointed BoD candidates, to have voting rolled, or even full staff without voting. Which is troubling, like hell.

/Estel

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Personally, I think that the current council should fulfill both roles at the moment, get the community through this period of uncertainty and turmoil, establish the community's future, and then establish elections for both BoD and Council. Having a transition right now, with very few people seemingly stepping up to the plate to take over, seems like a very bad idea.

It's also possible that the current council does not want the job and wants to get out. Hopefully not, but I wouldn't entirely blame them as there seems to be a lot of ill will directed towards them. Personally, I think Woody (and the rest of the current council) is doing a great job in difficult circumstances and I think the community needs to support them at this time-unless you are going to step up and take over, get out of the way and let them do what needs to be done.

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This has to be unprecedented.

In the interim, the old council should stay in power until there is a new council to pass the torch.

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What, community apathy? I'm afraid it's par for the course. After all, the nomination period for the previous election was extended due to insufficient number of candidates and the two elections before that didn't happen due to having just enough candidates to form an unelected council.

But at least we have enough board candidates so we can have that election which IMHO is much more important right now.

Well, the standard procedure is to extend the nomination period for 3 weeks, during which the current council is still in "power".

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so, as expected, all councilors put their names into hat for BoD (SD69 haven't, but as he is registering Foundation, he will be, officially or not, part of BoD as per legal responsibility).

I think, that it means we already have enough candidates for voting? Or nomination period got extended? I'm asking seriously, as I've lost track of it.

/Estel

Re: [Council] Last Call for Council Nominations And Bylaw Review
 

No. This few candidates is what I was referring. The apathy is warranted. The outgoing council got the last item(s) and support from Nokia, this last council will invariably receive nothing, including the support from the community.

Look for the antics, the dismissals and the attitude from a few select members to be the reasoning behind the community apathy.

I'm merely talking about 2 candidates all of 2 days ago.

Glad there's a contingency plan. Seems like it's needed.

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Hey, it's a valid statement - we would all hope that that is not the motivation of anyone who runs for a position. It doesn't necessarily mean he's accusing either of you or doing so, or even necessarily implying it's likely. Now, he might be, but I think just his statement by itself doesn't logically necessitate that meaning. (Edit: To be clear, I haven't paid enough attention to the details of what different members feel towards other members, so I don't know or remember if his comment is part of a larger pattern of such remarks)

At any rate, I am a bit confused now: The nomination period for Council and/or Board - are either of those being extended, or..?

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No one knows ;) I suspect, that chair should be keeping notes of candidates and threshold, so we should expect woody's comment soon.

/Estel

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Candidate declarations have to be posted to the maemo-community list to be valid, so all one has to do is go through http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...er/thread.html and count the submissions.

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...which is responsibility of Council's chair, as it's one person responsible for ensuring, that election goes smoothly.

It's pity, that almost 2 days after deadline, we don't even know - officially - if submitting candidates is closed, or extended (which also affect date of voting). Especially, that all Councilors decided to submit their candidacy for BoD on "last minute".

I know, that it's weekend etc, but declaring end of (or extending) deadline for submissions wouldn't be much a hassle to do, after throwing own name into hat.

/Estel

Re: [Council] Last Call for Council Nominations And Bylaw Review
 

for those interested...

check Council election September 2012 for current status of election timetable
and Candidate declarations

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Well, if anyone cares, if it had been extended, I would have self-nominated. At this time given that I haven't noticed any updates saying that it has, however, I assume it hasn't. *Shrug* Oh well.

Re: [Council] Last Call for Council Nominations And Bylaw Review
 

It's extremely funny, as MWKN declared end of nomination period (via counting candidates), but we still doesn't have any statement from Council, despite numerous requests and almost 4th day sine "theoretical" end of submissions period - it seems that chair is very serious about his duties ;)

Absolutely agree on "oh well" part, nothing more we can do now.

/Estel

Re: [Council] Last Call for Council Nominations And Bylaw Review
 

Oh, common...
If you want to submit, you go and submit yourself, and if it's too late you'll get reply that would say it. It's better than just bragging here.
And it's not that they submitted "last minute", like you did for certain events in the past :). (What are you still trying to prove, Estel?) But submitted as there are no people willing to do so, and now is the time of responsibilities and new starts which would be the hardest time, as you need to push whole foundation thing forward very fast till it gets on tracks.

Bitter? Me? Never...
 

Under-announced? Like the time you as Chair under-announced the fact that Council could apply for CA, and that you intended to apply?

Frankly, I blame the lack of interest on the ****-storm of total BS that occupied the first several weeks of this Council's time until you stepped down, like going on tangents about IRC ops and arguing about having manners. So, charisma, sure... That's it...

Considering the last meeting had 4 Council and 3 commentators, yup... short uneventful meetings the past couple months. Nothing important at all going on there.

There was one meeting with one Council member, in August. It happened to be that three of the remaining four of us had scheduled non-refundable vacations (long before we were elected Council) that overlapped during that week. Shame there wasn't a reliable 5th Council member to help carry on important tasks while we were away...

:D Took the words right out of my mouth...

Oh, and sorry for not submitting my candidacy earlier. I was a little busy doing other unimportant things... Like starting up a legal foundation, and trying to get people to review the latest bylaws instead of poking holes in everything.

Yes, there's been no announcements anywhere about the election cycle continuing on it's normal time-table. Especially not one posted 24 hours before your complaint.

And really, how smart does one have to be to look at the number of candidates, both on the mailing list and on a wiki page, and compare that to the official election rules? Nowhere does it say the chair must announce every little thing, especially when the time-table was already announced.

So sorry for ignoring those "numerous requests"... posted to an unfollowed, auto-generated blog post thread that pointed to a far more active thread on the topic. Silly me. I should have looked for the "Beware of Leopard" sign. My bad...

Sorry? This from the man who totally abandoned his duties to the community and left Council because others wouldn't instantly follow-up to a demand for attention? Sorry, but no. You don't get to comment on anyone not being serious about their duties after the crap you pulled.

Btw: How's that aluminum cover project coming along? Maxim is curious if those motors are working out for you... Serious? Really?

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Oh, and going back to pick up a few more items not Estel related...

I accepted a gift from Nokia? Where is it?! Did it get lost in the mail. Damn kids, swiping things off my porch again, I bet! :eek:

And how you call a 2 week debate on the topic, with not one but two hyperactive 200+ post threads "ignoring criticism" I'll never know.

Legally, Council can not sign contracts. Council very well could have elected to do what you said. But when the bylaws even mentioned Council would act as an interim Board until an official one was elected, there was a huge uproar. Screams of "They're grabbing for power" and threats of fighting it tooth and nail...

Lots of people, including more than one Council member, felt it would be best to simply do an election. That, along with the push to review bylaws was hoped to be enough to calm people, or so it was thought. (Btw, Thanks for raising a stink... As a result we're now incorporators instead, which gives us a little more freedom to do things ahead of time, AND allows us to cut ties easier in a legal way if need be.)

All said and done, this is actually a reasonable time for the transition. It could/should have happened about a week earlier, but as it is the paperwork is just hitting the inbox, and that time-frame was an unknown when we first submitted things. (Yes, we're official now.) So, now the Foundation sits for a few days awaiting it's first Board. Not sure we could have done much better timing wise without a crystal ball. Well, unless you count Rob's attempts 18 months ago to do this exact thing, only to see everyone shoot him down for even proposing it...

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"Bragging"? It wasn't bragging, it was a way to inform anyone who might have been interested, on the fact that the lack of anything to suggest that it would be at all meaningful to do so was my reason for not having done so (aside from the initial reason of not having paid attention enough to have noticed the due date had already passed). And to some extent it was a probe of reaction - if no one seemed to care, that kind-of suggests that there isn't community interest in having me in those positions, wouldn't you agree? And honestly, I fail to see how what I said could be bragging - if anything, it's allowing people to go "lol, that's what happens when you miss the deadline that was announced months in advance, sux2bu". And of course it allows people to make the assumption you made that I'm somehow bragging. No person with a decent understanding of human psychology would ever think that they could somehow make themselves look better by saying what I said above.

But I think you're right, I should've gone and done that. At that, I should have done that immediately, rather than waiting a day or two to see if the period would be extended. Would've been much wiser.

@Woody: I apologize for not having seen the post you linked to ( http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=76 ) earlier - I see that it was made about 8 hours before my last post here, so that's my fault for missing it.

As an aside, I don't recall shooting down Rob when he was trying to do "this exact thing" 18 months ago - if anyone remembers me speaking out otherwise, please slap me for forgetting, but I suspect I would have been for it then too.

@geneven (and everyone who keeps criticizing council for "accepting expensive gifts", which I suspect refers to the whole devices being awarded for community contribution thing): From what I recall (anyone correct me if I'm wrong), the council members involved, like everyone else, were voted for as possible recipients, rather than simply taking the devices. And the whole reason for why they were accepted eligible, was the fact that if they weren't good enough members of the community to accept the devices, why on earth were they elected in the first place? The community gave them their stamp of approval by electing them, and it wouldn't be fair for them to be automatically ineligible just because they happened to also volunteer their time and energy to the community's well-being.

Re: Bitter? Me? Never...
 

C'mon, it's poor excuse - thinking like that, we wouldn't need chair at all, as rules could't get automated, and work on it's own. If person so respected and heavily interested in Community affairs, as Mentalist Traceur, doesn't know if he can submit his candidacy or it's past deadline + his question is "+1" by other people = he can't get answer from person responsible for election, during freaking 5 days, something isn't right.

Yet, it seems, that Council is so satisfied by own approach to whole BoD election thing, that Council's representative (chair) feels that it's justified to put so *late* answer in offensive and hateful way. I'm also sure, that Council is pretty much satisfied/happy by quality of candidacies for BoD/Council put on last day (= doesn't apply to Tim's and Arnold submissions, as they were great). Well, I'm not, and I'm quite sure, that it's my "goddamn" right to express it in so calm and reasonable way, without being attacked personally by Council's representative.

In the end, it's fine -if it's the manner Council like to use as a way of Communication with people like Mentalist, me, or others interested in Maemo ("how smart You need to be, to know details about election Yourself, instead of suspecting official Announcement from Council's chair, dumbie?!1!111!"), it got acknowledged.

As for rest of Your post, I'm not going to comment on it - kinda waste of time, for such pack of miserable ad persona attacks, sophism, and demagogy. It's quite funny, as I though that Council decided need of demanding *'more* than a natural reaction (= offensive one, in woody's case), from a Chair. Outcome seems to looks rather like "standards differ, depending on person You're attaching it to".

/Estel

Re: Bitter? Me? Never...
 

Again, all asked on a single thread, on an automated Council post from the blog that's not being monitored because it intentionally pointed to another, much more active thread. Btw, in case you missed the link, your question was answered before you even posted it here. You just failed to find it, much as you're accusing me of here. And it wasn't "5 days". It was 3 at best, and two of those being weekend days.

If someone wants to ask the Council something, we have a thread for that, called ASK THE COUNCIL. For election stuff, there's another dedicated thread. There's also an e-mail address and weekly IRC meetings. Sorry, but the fact of the matter is if you can't be bother to at least ask a question in one of several well known forums for such questions, you should hardly whine about a late answer. (Especially when the question HAD been answered before you even asked it, in the proper thread.)

Wow... Pot calling the kettle black? You spoke to others is far worse tones far more often than I have here.

Oh, and trying to pull people into your argument won't work, no matter how hard you try. None of this was for Mentalist. Did you see his name anywhere in that thread? The only person mentioned, and the only quotes posted, were from you, with the exception of the zinger from Zogg.

In this case, the shoe fits. Considering this entire thread has been you bashing me, you deserved every hit you got.

As for my tone and the "tone of Council", as you may note, I'm not speaking for Council here. Unlike past Chairs, I make it abundantly clear when I'm speaking for Council and when I'm not. Add to that the fact that I'm not seeking a position as Council again, I'm feeling a little more free to speak my mind. Especially when provoked and attacked by others.

As for not replying, I figured you wouldn't reply to the tough questions. You never did. You ignore, and deflect, and blame, and condemn others for your own actions. You swindle your way through everything, and when there's nothing left for you to personally gain, you point the finger at others and run. Council, your "community project", pretty much everything you've ever done that I can see.

Enjoy your ill-gotten gains while you can. Karma's a ßitch, and eventually it will catch up to you. I just hope I'm far enough away to not get hit with the spray of what's left of you when it does.

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But if you leave that understanding out, one could see it as just that. Just look at the other posts in this thread. :rolleyes: And by chiming in on the same thread you may have gotten inadvertently lumped into the same group by Zogg. (I've mad the same mistake myself at times, as have we all.)

That was more for someone else. And yes, it can be hard to keep up with everything on TMO. Trust me, I know that quite well.

This, again, was not directed at you, but rather an acknowledgement that in general this is not the first time this proposal was on the table. This exact plan was laid out a year and a half to 2 years ago, and the community at the time yelled it down. To be fair, Nokia was still in good shape, and the rep was poo-pooing the concern publicly, as were many senior members. But having that plan to work off of is one of the key items that allowed us to do all this in such a short time frame.

The lesson to learn? Next time someone that's otherwise had a history of being sane starts pulling the chicken little routine; maybe it's best to let them setup the ground work, if it won't hurt anything to do so, just in case the sky does start falling. :p

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I feel it quite funny, that you defend your aggressive/offensive replies to me and others, by "I'm speaking for myself, not as a Chair" - IIRC, when I was a chair, my habit of leaving diplomacy behind was one of main reasons for your attacks. Also, rest of Council clearly stated, that in their opinion, *more* of polite and diplomatic tone is required from Chair, than from other people.

When I've fundamentally disagreed with views of rest Councilors (mainly on much more important matters than "diplomacy", but "oh well"), I've stepped down. You keep Your Council position, and, furthermore, you have stepped in chair's shoes. Don't feel surprised, that standards you've demanded from others, are now expected from your side.

/Estel

// Edit

I have yet to decide, if your comment about "dropping candidacy for next Council" is more funny, or miserable. Sure - after all, you've dropped your name into hat (what a surprise!) of election for Board of Directors - i.e. body that will have real power (in this case, to be misused, I'm afraid) over things important for Community, including decisions about finances (aka real money) from donations.

Yea, it's really surprising, that you have preferred it over to-be-castrated, no-one-know-what-it's-left-for-nor-want-to-candidate-for-it, AD 2013 Council.

I really need to remind, that literally *NO ONE* want(ed) to become Councilor, until current Council double-submitted for BoD and Council (despite stating earlier, that different people should maintain those positions), + one ex-Maemo contributor, inactive for ~2 years, got exhumated from his IRC "kingdom", to act as "deer", volunteering for useless position, that no one want to touch with a long stick, after moving to Hildon Foundation scheme?

/Estel

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Since I'm doomed to do my term on next council ;-) I think I may state here that I'd be very interested in Mentalist joining in. Though it's not exactly according to procedure to accept late nominations, I think the whole point of this "quarantine" period was to ensure fair votes. Since there's no vote at all, how's it any good to keep a volunteer out of council due to being 3 days late?

If this request can't be followed without again starting a shitstorm, I'll step down for council, resulting in remaining candidates number = 2, which in turn causes extention of nomination period. Up to you.

Cheers
jOERG

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I see no problem with this.

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+1

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Those thanks mean that I would like to see Mentalist in Council too ;)

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I support this move as well, Mentalist belongs in council.

While we are on the topic, can we just ban Estel?

He wastes so much time without actually doing anything. Woody, please stop responding to him, ignore the troll and the troll will go away.

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I also support Mentalist joining Council, we will him need for sure.

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As it problem with people already submitted and you want to get mentalist ( though i don't see that as problem at such hard and new things like BoD and all pressure to get extra help), some one could maybe give him his place or we can find other way around.