No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Am very much happy with my nokia n9 but a new firmware update will rather be much welcomed. So i decided to make more enquiries about any possible update that might hit the device,but didnt find any conviencing answers. So i interacted with @jollamobile ,the maemo developers team and asked them about their new Sailfish Os that will be unvielled soon. I just wanted to know whether we (the N9 users) might recieve that new OS as an update , and the answer the gave me was a NO!!!. Could u believe that? .So am wondering whether that is truely the real deal ,or we might maybe see it on the N9 someday. What do you think guys????:)

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Jolla said a long time ago that they won't support the N9 in anyway. However, some devs MIGHT port the OS to the N9 if possible. If it's not possible, then.. Go get a Jolla phone :D We all wished for an update. But it will be ported hopefully. Just like NITDroid :) That's as far as I understood. But don't take my words fully, because this is all said from a MeeGo page.
Cheers

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

This is more of a legal question than a technical one. Since the N9 is the product of a different company, Jolla can not support it.

However, Nemo Mobile (the open source base that they are using) works quite fine on both N9, N950, and N900.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

No is the right answer. Just to make a simple example. It's not like apple support iOS for nokia phones. why should jolla support nokia?

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Jolla made it clear on the very first day that they are not here in anyway to support N9.


I mean a small company that is already stretched to the max should waste their time on a another companies phone and retain the software so that it would be compatible on N9 would be all sort of crazy.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Like asking Ford to make spares for your Nissan, really.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

That isn't a very good analogy, but still, why not? If Ford's parts are better, why wouldn't a Nissan owner be allowed to use them? Yah, Nissan might revoke the warranty because of using third party parts, but Ford might cover that as well.

Better analogy: how would you feel if you're not allowed to use third-party ink cartridges for your printer?

Best analogy: how would you feel if you're not allowed to install another OS on your own pc?

Jolla not supporting the N9 is one thing. But I'd even pay for it! They might not get their hands on the necessary binary blobs for the drivers (ugh, damn those chipmakers! I've bought the damn thing, didn't I?) but citing legal reasons sounds weird to me. And for the sake of interoperability quite a lot is allowed in the EU.

Personally I consider tablets, phones, routers and even tv's as "general purpose computing devices", and would probably welcome some ruling that this kind of devices may not hinder the owner to install and use software on them as he sees fit. Yeah there are some gray areas and more issues with that, but it should be the rule of thumb.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Jolla OS is made out of 3 main components. Mer core, Nemo software/application layer and Jolla UI.

Mer core and Nemo mobile already work on N9.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Here's another analogy... How would you as the majority investor of a company you are backing to design an OS and Hardware feel if all of a sudden they decided to support someone else's platform?

I would sooner let them cut all ties with nokia (bureaucracy/in fighting etc) and concentrate on doing what they do best.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

@OP: Why is that even a (on) question? Are we like (the increasingly stupid) "ask /." here? If yes, then i'd like to introduce "Betteridge's Law of Headlines", so: "NO".

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

The "sad" part for me ,as I see it, is that the N9 might won't be having CSSU treatment, like the N900 has.

Ok, yes, I am more interested in my N900 and I enjoy the progress it still makes (!) thanks to the community.

But who wouldn't want this for his N9 as well? Even if he liked his N900 more.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

I know i would like that :D

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

As a question, would jolla be able to sell their OS like micro does?

I wouldn't mind paying some moolah to get an entirely new OS, provided it works perfectly of course.

If anything, it's a brilliant business move, before you've even released a device, you'd have tens of thousands of people using your OS and consuming/producing on it, plus it's never gonna hurt when those thousands of people tell their friends:

"yeah, nokia have barely supported my phone at all, but luckily there's this new company that just got started"
"cool, what's it called?"
"Jolla or something...."

I'm sure you get the picture, so now you've got thousands of people walking around proclaiming (by the simple fact they've installed jolla OS over nokia OS) that jolla > nokia (which even past it's prime is still saying something), and you still haven't even started production of your own device!

mindspace is the hardest marketspace to dominate, and it's worth any cost.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=154747

Nice UI

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z85NAn5Y3gU

is that n950??

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

The video is called Sailfish OS demoed on N950 [Jolla on N950]... so, what do you think? :)

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

so what the point earlier post said that this sailfish cannot run in N9/N950 :D

edited: i love it!

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

I think the point was that Jolla doesn't officially wanna put themselves in anyway responsible to support N9 or to put people wait for any kind of effort from them to make finished product for N9 or N950. Their focus is on their own hardware.

It's a testing platform for them

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Guys, what about the old n900 ? Would the Jolla Sailfish be available for it? I still have one laying around at home, would love to experiment with it :)

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Pretty logical they won't support the N9 officially as already said. But, Jolla said the OS will be open source (it's of course already the case for the Mer and Nemo layer).

So I've no doubt that this amazing community will provide builds to make our N9/N950 lives longer. This will give us access to a brand new emerging ecosystem.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

did you know apple wont make ios for n9? now thats a shocker...

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Please do not bother Jolla engineers with questions about devices manufactured by a different company, such as Nokia. This is plain stupid, Jolla will support only their own devices.

From Hildon Foundation Board we also must clarify that any relation with Jolla wouldn't imply, by any means, that they are going to provide any kind of support to Nokia devices.

The only responsible for support to the N9 is Nokia. Any other kind of software updates might only come from the community in form of CSSU.

Please, moderators close this thread to avoid any confusions.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

JollaMobile: @Adio_17 We cannot offer that for customers with N9/N950 but an expert hacker will be able to provide it.

It sounds like there will be unofficial support for Jolla Mobile on other Meego devices.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

What do they really mean with Open? Lets say, can I steal it change the boot video and brand it as my own GreenShark OS and release my own device?

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Consider it done, a lot of expert hackers around in the linux community

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

they (jolla) are already have sailfish on n9. there is a video with designer showing UX on n9.
and n9 have all instruments to make it easy to install another linux-based OS (root out-of-the-box). and they have devs, which made n9&MeeGo

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

yes BUT they have no time, they MUST/SHALL fokus on theyr own device and not use any seconds of theyr time to port it to N9.

Its the communitys job to port it to N9. NOT Jollas.

However I am sure the community already is working on it. Checkout irc channels on freenet.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

As much as agree with you mike, it does look like they are already testing on a variety of devices from their announcement.

Just check out the devices that they are holding at 3.30-4.00

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Will there be an UPDATE? No..

Will there be a version that will probably be flashable onto the N9? Im pretty sure there will be yeah, even if its not directly by Jolla but one of our own devs.

No OTA updates or Nokia suite updates, but an alternative flashable Sailfish OS is more then likely.

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Hmmm I wonder if the android app compatibility that sailfish has, could that part be brought to meego harmattan?

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

It seems that part is to do with Dalvik, so for legal reasons no it couldnt. Its not a free thing so Nokia would have to pay for Dalvik to run on the N9.

Saying that, if Jolla are partners with Dalvik AND the N9 gets a semi-official sailfish OS port from Jolla, then we could have the android app compatability

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

@godofwar424 Jolla is partners with Myriad. so that part is done. But I don't see them releasing a semi-official sailfish for the N9.
And for this community to bring dalvik to Meego Harmattan.... It would be stealing right?

also side question, anyone know would be the general hardware requirements of sailfish? if it was ported to the N9, would it be able to be run smoothly?

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

no matter what devices jolla is using for their initial internal os testing you will never see them giving those versions of their OS to public

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

This I fully understand, however it does raise a couple of questions...

Why do jolla have a team dedicated to porting sailfish to so many devices?

and...

If they are just for testing, why are they testing devices such hp touchpad and the Raspberry Pi?

Granyed I know that scalability can be a big selling point for any OS, so who are they selling to and what are their interests?

sailfish for n9
 

an one know about n9 sailfish OS??

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

because they want to test and show the os on as many platforms as possible, and actual devices are much cheaper and better than development boards

Re: No Sailfish Update for N9, really?
 

Also don't forget that showing the UI of some OS on some arbitrary device is an entirely different thing from supporting all the hardware (e.g. telephony) of that device. There's binary-only drivers involved which (in most cases) are diffcult if not impossible to work around.

So don't hold your hopes up too high for fully supported 3rd party devices (officially nor inofficially).

Re: sailfish for n9
 

Install Nemo first and then when the sailfish UI sources are available just build that on top of Nemo. That should do it :D

Re: sailfish for n9
 

please mod close thi thread

Re: sailfish for n9
 

Could possible merge all jolla threads to the big thread in off topic?