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Holy bible 2013-02-23 15:06

Re: X Terminal- Maemo Nokia N900
 
Thanks. And... Is there any advantage of using FAT then? Or to ask that way, why can be no permission allowed desirable??

shawnjefferson 2013-02-23 20:57

Re: X Terminal- Maemo Nokia N900
 
The advatange of MyDocs being FAT, is that you can plug your n900 into your computer via USB and read the partition on Windows.

don_falcone 2013-02-23 21:41

Re: X Terminal- Maemo Nokia N900
 
..so in short one can say the usage of FAT is for compatibility and historic reasons, not because it's a good choice. There are other portable & matured filesystems which are robust but a) could not be extorted by patents and b) have to be included in vanilla Windows. (btw: can we say "Window", now that Win 8 jumped on the full-screen apps train too? Or "Fensterl 8" in .AT)

Holy bible 2013-02-24 01:06

Re: X Terminal- Maemo Nokia N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnjefferson (Post 1324679)
The advatange of MyDocs being FAT, is that you can plug your n900 into your computer via USB and read the partition on Windows.

yeah but what about NTFS. it's also readable by windows and it's newer. why not this format for example???

P.S.: sorry to be annoying for someone maybe, but i just want to have it clear in my mind :)

anthonie 2013-02-24 09:13

Re: X Terminal- Maemo Nokia N900
 
Google is your friend, if you're looking for knowledge...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems

shawnjefferson 2013-02-26 01:50

Re: X Terminal- Maemo Nokia N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy bible (Post 1324703)
yeah but what about NTFS. it's also readable by windows and it's newer. why not this format for example???

P.S.: sorry to be annoying for someone maybe, but i just want to have it clear in my mind :)

Probably for many reasons, but I imagine mainly for compatibility reasons first off. If you have ever noticed that almost all USB memory sticks are formated in either FAT or FAT32, depending on their size.

reinob 2013-02-26 09:50

Re: X Terminal- Maemo Nokia N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy bible (Post 1324703)
yeah but what about NTFS. it's also readable by windows and it's newer. why not this format for example???

NTFS is R/W under Windows (but not 95 or 98). Plus there are different "revisions" (or versions) of NTFS, so some NTFS features used by Windows Vista (or 7) will not be usable under Windows XP or 2000 or NT, etc.

Plus, Linux generally only supports reading from NTFS, but not writing. Yes, there are drivers allowing writing, but it's not 100% reliable (I guess they emulate Windows just a bit too much :).

Plus, you want a USB stick (and MyDocs is just that) to work with all sorts of exotic devices, such as a TV, or an Android phone, or whatever, which probably only supports FAT32.

Plus, MyDocs/USB-stick are supposed to be used for exchanging data. Meaning you don't want any sort of file/directory permissions to ruin that "experience". This is, IMHO, the single most reasonable reason why VFAT/FAT32 is still so widespread.

Holy bible 2013-02-26 19:26

Re: X Terminal- Maemo Nokia N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by reinob (Post 1325319)
NTFS is R/W under Windows (but not 95 or 98). Plus there are different "revisions" (or versions) of NTFS, so some NTFS features used by Windows Vista (or 7) will not be usable under Windows XP or 2000 or NT, etc.

Plus, Linux generally only supports reading from NTFS, but not writing. Yes, there are drivers allowing writing, but it's not 100% reliable (I guess they emulate Windows just a bit too much :).

Plus, you want a USB stick (and MyDocs is just that) to work with all sorts of exotic devices, such as a TV, or an Android phone, or whatever, which probably only supports FAT32.

Plus, MyDocs/USB-stick are supposed to be used for exchanging data. Meaning you don't want any sort of file/directory permissions to ruin that "experience". This is, IMHO, the single most reasonable reason why VFAT/FAT32 is still so widespread.

Thanks!! Very useful and fulfilling on my question :) thanks once more

AapoRantalainen 2013-03-08 22:54

Re: X Terminal- Maemo Nokia N900
 
One correction. Files from FAT-filesystem can be executed (in general). If you check /etc/fstab on N900, you can see a row:
Quote:

/dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortnam e=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir 0
I bolded one parameter to focus.

eccerr0r 2013-03-08 23:12

Re: X Terminal- Maemo Nokia N900
 
Also getting rid of the "noexec," you should change the fmask to 0000 so all files with have the +x bit set.

Just don't accidentally run a text file as they too will be +x.


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