Re: jolla taking too long???
 

sucks B@lls that I'm not in the EU right now, I can tell you!
I managed to get a 40EUR order through OK, but was really hoping for the 100EUR order.
I'm stalking all my old friends in the UK so i can use their shipping address!

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Maybe if you weren't such a troll and didn't brainwash others you would've noticed the figures are correct.

Global Smartphone Marketshare in Q1 2013 according to Gartner:
http://cdn-static.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg...sales-q113.jpg

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Jolla please release sailfish for n9 or nexus in the meantime

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

No. That doesnt will happen. Its more posible:

"Nokia please recognize your resṕonsibility to give support to N9-Users and pay Jolla for an Update N9 Meego to Jolla Sailfish with Nokia Navigation included".

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Another troll exposed....just half of my collection bud:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...15#post1255915

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Guys!
Just ignore Lumiaman. He dont will discuss, he is providing Lumias.
Had see this phones some weeks ago. No Sip-Support inside OS no VPN.
Was enough for me to check this out.
Hopefully Nokia goes back and buy Jolla like HP with the Treo guys.
My best Symbian phone was the Nokia E71 (SIP, VPN and Encryption as part from the OS), the E72 was one step back (bad Sip-Support).
And shure, if sometime i will try a Windows Phone, it will happen in some years.
I have the N9 now 3 month over Contracted. My provider is anoying me to restore the contract and give me some other Net-Locked Phone. I'am waiting for the Jolla Phone on Christmas

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

And still that makes it 3 N9's dont see 6. I hope your counting is ok atleast microsoft should have taught you that along with praising the garbage OS:eek:

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

A more intressting question would be if jollas device fits the market? And what type of user would buy Jolla device... I was a bit dissepointed and don't understand what jolla mean with a premium device. Even though we don't have the specs I'm a bit dissepointed by the HW. The price is OK and the software looks GREAT. so I would rather run Sailfish on n9 or on a tizen device witch I expect to be more what I want than this device from jolla since I'm not the kind of user that buys accessories to my devices and pimp my phones.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Oh no, not again. Jolla doesn't need Nokia. They just left it because they couldn't do what they wanted there, and you propose them to come back?

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Recent Lumias VS a two years old phone is definitely a very valuable and fair comparison, if you know what I mean ;)

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Now what exactly is the thing in the HW that pokes you in the eye?

If it's the CPU, AFAIK the high-end HW in high-end droid devices is needed because the OS is not designed to be run on lower-spec CPU/SOC.
If we have an optimized OS the specs need not be so top-notch.

If it's the camera that troubles you, well that is true, you just cannot afford to have the highest end camera modules on a device that uses mostly generic OTS parts. Nokia, Samsung & HTC design/order their own camera modules which smaller manufacturers just cannot buy.

So why complain? It's the total experience that counts.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

It's something about the design, this split design. Might come together for me when I see/feel it in real life. I would also love to see a bit bigger screen in that device. So much borders.

I was expecting a bit more premium. I can't see any business users using this device.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

I also have concern for the mechanical "goodeness" of the design, it has to be made so that it's easy to couple/decouple, but is resistant to splitting by itself, when it's in your bag or pocket for example.
Also mechanical robustness is important in a situation wher phone falls or is knocked about. The copupling should not break easily.


Well, I'd say if it includes the business applications whatever that means then it could work as a business phone.
(office tools, integration to coprporate mail and IM, ...)

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

omg that sounds sooo much Apple Inc. [/flame] ...but you're right :D

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

No. It wasn't modern, not in any way. It was years behind when they launched it.

It was, however, the first cell phone that was sold and hyped like a lifestyle gadget, so Apple managed to escape facts and sold fantasies.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Exactly!

No video, no usb, no copy/paste, no !!!
But hyping, hyping, hyping.

Especially I do remember their big advertising 'now we
can c/p', which all of my Symbian phones could since years. And even my Siemens S55 from the year 2000.

Thats it from my side, please continue ...

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Yes in the same fashion they launched the ipod before it. There were better devices around (and had been for a few years), but none marketed so well.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Thats why Jolla should marketing, marketting marketing. BUT marketing costs alot of money and where should Jolla get those money?

So again it's upto us to decide Jollas future. They will for sure NOT success without communitys help...

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

... So why not work with a part of the community and give them correct info to share with their less geeky friends. It's not like you can recommend jolla device to friends and family in current state.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

You are soooo wrong. iPHONE was way beyond modern. That is why NOKIA is till playing catch up after almost 6 years since iphone launched. Way beyond modern in the whole integration, ease of use, just beautiful product. Everyone today on the market IS iphone copycat!!

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Repeating yourself wont make it right, there was a low profile cam in it - wifi not working properly - no MMS - it was a pretty expensive gameboy with mp3-player and phone functions with a modern design and marketing strategy when it first came out... iPhones were announced having first copy&paste on a phone - having first videoVOIP on a phone having first intuitive usage - real multitasking and so on... now think a second when did they announce what and who already got the feature they marketed with and sometimes even for years! I honestly don't know why apple didn't get one lawsuit after another because of these commercials (which can give pretty large fees over here), fear maybe? I am still waiting for someone showing me iOS's real multitasking^^ [/flame]

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

The market spoke and android copied it, windows copied and Jolla is
Copying it. Nothing else to discuss unless you are into alchemy.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Jolla is in part "taking so long" because in China (one of their primary markts) companies that do well are ones that have made a concerted effort to connect with their intended audience. Its not about marketing there as much as its about trust and reputation. That's not how things are sold "in the West," which marks as where much of this conversation thread has gone awry.

Another thing...

The appeal of the Jolla to that kind of audience is not in specs, nor is it in the goodwill that's done toawrds Nokia (their reputation is quite diminished towards that Chinese market, speaking towards my previous point). The appeal will be towards personalization. After trust and reputation, its the ability to address some sign of being an individual while not being too apart from the common culture. By making the *rear* of the device to transform it, they are allowing a commonality of experience on the front - the most seen area - and individual expression. That will appeal, and right now has been enough to allow Jolla to meet some of that initial needed attention.

I know I'm talking about thigns that seem flighty, but in terms of the sociology of mobile, these are the little details that come into play when looking to make a dent into mobile. Apple paid attention to these details for the iPhone, and to some degree, Palm did with webOS. Nokia has done this many times, so much so that Finnish/Nortic design elements are actually seen as necessary to aspects of customizing mobiles.

To me its simple. Jolla is doing what's required. I get the impatience on the side of fans, but unless you are doing something with code and documetnation, right now it doesn't seem that Jolla offers you much more than commentary in order to get into the action. Personally, I'd like to be in a position of helping to set direction and smooth out aspects of the product in markets like the USA, where the ecosystem of the back cover, doesn't quite make sense. But, Jolla isn't branching here. Not with where they are right now. Talk.Maemo could be a part of helping them branch out into saturated mobile markets like the USA, but only when aspects of fandom get put aside for making ...

...ah, but enough posturing on my end. I'm sure that this convo will spark some needed reverb into efforts to keep aspects of the N9/50 fresh (kernal updates, maturing of some apps and services, and *hopefully* improved development tools so that more of us "non-coders" can jump into the fray). Jolla could then come into two markets:
- the Nokia diaspora existent in current and saturated Western mobile markets
- the upcoming middle classes in the newer major markets of China, India, Kenya, Brazil, etc where mobile isn't just something to have, but a ticket to "a better life"

Sociology not specs ;)

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

I actually don't care what market share Jolla gets compared to ios, android, wp etc. I dont see that it matters. They're a small company with a Niche product that doesn't need to sell 100 million phones in 2014

All i care is whether it fits my needs because the n9 is getting old and i don't want anything else but a n9 successor.

LUMIAMAN! please tell me why you bought 6 nokia n9s and gave them away? Did you suddenly realise when you bought the 6th one that it wasn't so good?

I was really tempted when i saw the L920 camera and wireless charging but it was only the hardware that cought my attention. My wife's got the L800 now and setting it up was very fustrating. Offline maps wouldn't download in the background and the Skype app can't receive calls unless you're actually using the app. Then i realised it didn't have mass storage and had to use the awful Zune program to transfer. What i'm trying to say is i now think that it's s***.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

^ Lol, my thoughts exactly.

But I do wonder how many devices they will sell in a 6 month window.
1 million? 100, 000?

It does matter, because the more it floats around the better it will be for repairs, warranty swaps, components, and of course third-party support (accessories and software).

My only worry is that when they release, the specs will be completely outdated. At the moment, most low end Android phones are rocking dual core processors, and that is where Jolla is sitting.. It will be fine for sailfish, but for the acl it will most likely be mediocre...

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Can you clarify for me exactly what specifications you are referring to and what benchmark you are using when you talk about "outdated"?

Lenovo's K900 is dual core, and thus outdated and "low end" (by your definition) and yet seems to smash out some pretty impressive benchmarks......

given that Dual core is all you know about Jolla's CPU spec, I'd be very cautious about making assertions.


People need to step away from swallowing the idiotic cr*p that is being perpetuated by the media who are implying that more is better, just because hardware specs (and now the new screen p*ssing competition) are the only way android OEM's seem to be able to differentiate.

I'd rather have I highly optimised OS running on a good dual core processer, specc'ed to suit the performance requirements of the device and guaranteeing good battery life, than some 6" HD monster screen octa (wank) core behemoth that runs a bloated os and can't get through the day without a recharge.

I'm not planning on using my handset as a launch computer for a manned trip to mars....

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

First of all.. calm down.. that is not what I was saying. My friend has a dual core android phone and it runs most apps quite well. All I am saying, is that the android market is rapidly advancing. Sooner or later, developers are going to take advantage of the extra power of modern devices. Quad core at around 1.5ghz+ is becoming standard in modern phones, and if it ends up being a dual core under 1.5 ghz.. combined with a lacklustre GPU, its going to struggle to run spec intensive android applications, and for me, this is a bad thing. And also, having multiple cores helps manage the power required so quad core can be mighty helpful.

So.. in my case, a lower end CPU and GPU is really going to let the phone down.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Android's latest power jump doesn't come from speed. It's all about BIG screens. Any noone great bigger and better screens than android devices ATM.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

First of all.. I'm very calm ;)
All we know is "dual core" and nothing else. As I said before, the Intel offering in the Lenovo is smoking even the octa-spank exynos in the SGS4 on some benchmarks, so I wouldn't jump to any assumptions about what to expect from Jolla.
Also, whilst it makes commercial sense NOW to ride on the back of the many Android application markets, Jolla intends to push a store with native apps. It's entirely feasible that, assuming success of both the handset and OS, dependence on anything Android will be solely for proprietary apps like Skype etc.
We'll all find out before the end of the year....

I do hope that jolla does end up having pleanty of native apps.. All i want is pleanty of power to be able to fall back on android and be able to run some decent android games nicely ;)

oh, on a side note.. The whole octo core thing on the s4 is complete bs.. It only uses 1 processor at a time depending on what is required.. So its more of a selective dual quad core :(

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

WUUT?

This message is o long

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Stacked - 2 x quad core. 1 x core is lv/lp lower clocked for sleep and low drain function, the other core takes over for serious stuff.
Whole 8 core thing is apple-esque in it's marketing bs..
The n00bs and fanboys swallow this like candy

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

Don't sure about that don't compare core linux OS with AndroidDalvikLinuxOS

Atleast Silika apps will run smoother without latest/greatest HW on SailfishOS because Qt probadly is faster than AndroidApps.


Specs is not all,Specs is only for people who are stupid to not see the marketing trickery from the big players. More important is if the core OS is optimized/stable on the CPU:s/GPU:s they use.

I say the same about pixel hysteria on cameras. There are so many megapixels on compactcameras and mobile phone and in same time the sensor is so tiny is so ridicilous. It would be better if those big company, who has money, focused on making better/bigger sensors so they work better in lowlight.

Talk about camera I hope Jolla atleast has as good camera as N9 or even the same :)

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

100% :)

Camera pictures is not all megepixels. Bigger sensor would be much better in poor light conditions.But lens and how software controls your hardware are also important. No carl zeiss :(.

Re: jolla taking too long???
 

It's the Big.Little architecture.

4x A15 which are individually 150% and 250% faster than A8s and A9s, respectively.

But they're also powersucking cores, so they're paired with 4x ultra low power A7s which take over when the phone isn't doing very much.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/ARM-C...r-look_id36225