Originally Posted by igguk1 (Post 1345562)

I knew I was going to get some beating when I wrote about the true openness Sailfish and more so here.

Look in all I am very happy this is happening now and I am looking forward for them to succeed, as I see it this can only benefit people who is favoring the open-source movement. I like also how they are promoting Qt as for development toolkit :)
I am just a bit worried as to why the Jolla team does not openly discuss what are their future plans for open-sourcing the closed parts… the UX and the drivers, I understand they might not be able to do so now because being a small company on a Shark territory they might lose some competitive advantage, but still they could openly discuss if they plan to do so at some point in the future.
Would everybody here for instance be happy knowing that the closed parts will remain like so forever? I know my answer.

When I said Android is more open than Sailfish now is because it is, heck even somebody skilled enough could cook their own ROM, all is available there and for instance Ubuntu people are taking advantage of it, and yes you can have a terminal on it if you wish don’t forget it’s based still on a linux core :) , please don’t tell me about Google evil company I know about it don’t like it either… but is not the matter we are discussing here.

That’s all that I wanted to say and I know that while I will get again a beating here, I am voicing also some concerns that maybe a small part of this forums has.
As I don’t want to start a war here about this, this will be my last comment on it I will just continue to read the forums and Jolla news and probably will get the phone when released.

I said in the post before that the hardware does not appeal to me (that was bound to happen with the resources they have) but I forgot to add that I like very much what I see about the Os's and that if well executed which is a very big If "the Other half" idea may be the disrupting thing Elop was chasing years ago... :D

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1345589)

>5" & a attachable/modular keyb? No thanks.

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1345598)

I would love to see the next jolla device with keyboard. I'm not to fund of the idea of attachable keyboard.

Hope some 3pty android device manufacturer joins the boat and launching a slick keyboard device.

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1345603)

Why not?
111 x 73 x 8.5 mm dimensions.

Add in a thin hardware keyboard that "clicks" on one side of the device's backside. It stays firmly hooked, is static (non-slider/non-adjustable).The keyboard measuring the same length, but smaller width and a thin profile. Something like 111 x 63 x 4.5 mm

When not in use, the keyboard can be turned the other way so that it clips with the keyboard facing "in" to be a single unit with your phone. That brings the total dimensions of the phone with the keyboard closed to 111 x 73 (slightly larger than SGS3) x 13mm (about as thin as the Droid 3).

Maybe not those exact dimensions/figures... but you get the idea.

Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1345606)

Regarding that hardware-keyboard it's supposed to exist at one point. At least from the technical possibility citing Dillon on techcrunch:

“Of course we will be offering a choice of Other Halves for the user to buy but this is a place where we want to see others get involved. Designers can design Other Halves for the device, engineers or hackers or techies can design new interfaces and maybe add physical hardware features that they wish they had on their device but might have a smaller market than to deserve having a whole entire device,”


http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/20/jollas-other-half/

Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1345425)

afaik China is not in preorder country list. I tried to pre-order and got answer that it doesn't ship in my country

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1345608)

how do you see what you are typing if the keyboard keys are ON THE BACK of the device only?
explain.
a drawing says more then thousand words...

got it, looked @ the amazon cr@p
no go, can't walk or even only stand & type at the same time :(
worthless

Originally Posted by youmeego (Post 1345695)

what will happen to the home screen if there are more than 9 apps running in the background?

Originally Posted by Fawz (Post 1345703)

The back over thing sounds mildly promising, IF it has a powerful enough interface to the low-level parts of the main phone part.

Now to vent some steam, because I care about Jolla (or what they could be).

What *really* irks me is their seemingly main focus on how changing the back cover to another color and having the phone auto-read the contents of something saved on its flash memory (or equivalent) to change themes accordingly is "A revolution"(source jolla.com). A *revolution*. Ie. a game changer. Really? If it was just mentioned as a feature, I'd think "nice" and move on. But this just makes it seem like they have nothing else good to say about their phone but that you can change colors easily.

Really, it's just basic autorun capability for hot-plugable media! Right now they seem to mostly hype themselves around the awesome nature of "showing you're an individual" by being able to change the color theme of the phone and the color of the back plate. A color someone else chooses to make available to you, mind. A concept which will probably hamper real theming of the menus and sailfish overall since it's not in their interest to allow any Sailfish install to not have "that Sailfish look(tm)" (see what happened with Gnome 3 in that regard).

All this bigging up of trivial theming and claiming it will revolutionize everything and not even mentioning what capabilities the back cover really holds nor mentioning any real specs feels disingenous and fake.

Color me a sad panda :(

Originally Posted by igguk1 (Post 1345562)

I knew I was going to get some beating when I wrote about the true openness Sailfish and more so here.

Look in all I am very happy this is happening now and I am looking forward for them to succeed, as I see it this can only benefit people who is favoring the open-source movement. I like also how they are promoting Qt as for development toolkit :)
I am just a bit worried as to why the Jolla team does not openly discuss what are their future plans for open-sourcing the closed parts… the UX and the drivers, I understand they might not be able to do so now because being a small company on a Shark territory they might lose some competitive advantage, but still they could openly discuss if they plan to do so at some point in the future.
Would everybody here for instance be happy knowing that the closed parts will remain like so forever? I know my answer.

When I said Android is more open than Sailfish now is because it is, heck even somebody skilled enough could cook their own ROM, all is available there and for instance Ubuntu people are taking advantage of it, and yes you can have a terminal on it if you wish don’t forget it’s based still on a linux core :) , please don’t tell me about Google evil company I know about it don’t like it either… but is not the matter we are discussing here.

That’s all that I wanted to say and I know that while I will get again a beating here, I am voicing also some concerns that maybe a small part of this forums has.
As I don’t want to start a war here about this, this will be my last comment on it I will just continue to read the forums and Jolla news and probably will get the phone when released.

I said in the post before that the hardware does not appeal to me (that was bound to happen with the resources they have) but I forgot to add that I like very much what I see about the Os's and that if well executed which is a very big If "the Other half" idea may be the disrupting thing Elop was chasing years ago... :D

Originally Posted by kingstu (Post 1345699)

only the most recent 9 display, the rest are off screen but still running. I think it was mentioned by Jolla a while ago.

Originally Posted by longcat (Post 1345728)

The sky is the limit?

Possible other half?

Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1345469)

Interesting ! VERY INTERESTING ! :)

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1345539)

You're the one who doesn't get it (this isn't my opinion, its the fact :P)

Jolla could've easily made a page and made a poll for everyone to vote on their favourite attributes such as:
- Favourite screen ratio (16:9 would've won)
- Favourite screen size (large would've probably won)
- Favourite bezel size (small would've probably won)
- Sides of the screen swiping, a la N9 (favoured or not?)
- Top of the screen swiping, a la Android (favoured or not?)
- Bottom of the screen swiping (favoured or not?)

...then get their designers to make the product.
Then have some random/respected Chinese OEM/factory(s) build the hardware (eg/ TCL, Ainol, Meizu etc etc). Basically, they do the hardware to your specifications.
You do the software. A bit more costly, but a smoother operation.

< could even be a KickStarter campaing, remember the buggy OUYa? >

After having some stock (10,000 units?) make a revealing and start pre-ordering.
Then begin shipping to happy customers, as best as you can.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1345762)

Why do people here beleive the otherhalf is a active component? :eek: If I look at ANY video there is NO contacts shown or anything else that make it possile to use other half as an active components.

I think all this hyping make people dissapointed in the end.

I Think other half is just a way to change coloring of your device thats it. All other is just BIG seculation and ofcourse Jolla may like it but it may hurt them in the end when people realise they had to much hopes...

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1345767)

Jolla.....as good as NOKIA in hypnotizing the herd...leading it to the water...and laughing all the way to the bank with all the pre-order money they pocketed. Jolla: the biggest twitter scam of the century....or just a sign that we have too much money in our pockets?

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1345769)

You're back? Wow.

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1345771)

"The Other Half" and Jolla made it to BBC among the top 10 most read stories of today. Read by ordinary people, not geeks. Now, that's something! :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22599877