Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

There is alot off smoke going on at Jolla. He doesn't want show camera. Also he changes device when showing other half. Seems like there is several protos going on? And the only show one without psysical connector?

But for a small company probadly best to hide stuff. There is ALOT of copycats out there :(

I would NOT be suprised if we soon seen a shitty sailfish swipeUI skin in top of broken android...

Well in the DNA Jolla video one of the guy did mention that the device marc dillion was showcasing yesterday is a prototype.

Re: The Other Half, What do we really know?
 

It would be nice if it is a USB 3 port that support usb host mode.

Someone may come up with a "Other half" with usb hub and you can plugin a 4 TB hard disk, keyboard and mouse and even a usb monitor.

Will this make everyone happy?

LOL!!!

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I don't have problem with them not telling HW specs. After all, I'm interested in jolla because of OS. If I want top HW there's a lot to choose from.
But I do have problem with sooftware side. It's been over a year since we saw first sailfish demo and now we still have that more or less the same demo. Nothing more. They don't even want to show the camera app. :confused: WTF can be so special about camera app? What about syncing? What about calendar? Does it pull birthdays from contacts? How good is email client? How capable is browser? What about skype? What about navigation? I know that they don't have resources for their own maps and everything. But will they license it from someone so that it comes on every device or we will have to buy one? I'm fine with second option to but in that case I would like to now that it wont end up like sygic on N900. How capable will be media player? I could go on but I think that it's pretty clear what I mean here. But all we see is that we can see facebook phots without any aditionl app :confused: Who cares about that crap :(

And the applications store. What about that? We've heard that first app was released 29 minutes after SDK was released. Which one is that? I think that this part should be also explained a bit by now and that we should at least be able to browse through existing apps (if there are any actually) and that developers can see what exists and what is needed. But not a word about that :confused:

MD invites everybody to join the tribe but on what basis? A year old demo but now on different HW and this other half gimmick?
Oh, I forgot, probably because it's android compatibile. :rolleyes:

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

The Other Half is nothing more than NFC, with or without assisted bluetooth connection. The devices comprising an Other Half, would need to fit well within a Bluetooth profile.

While it does limit what can be put on the device, the subtle combination of bluetooth and nfc in this case, with an easy to deploy form factor and case, provides a very compelling, if small and subtle idea on how to both use the unused space at the back of a phone, and how to do things like aesthetic customization, small and useful peripherals, etc.. Bluetooth, NFC, flash storage, and small low voltage microcontrollers provide a very powerful base on which to build all sorts of widgets. :)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

We don't need no crappy play store.
We don't need no WhatsApphone.
No shitty choice on the market.
Jolla leave them droids alone.
Hey, Jolla! Leave iFans alone!
All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all, you just are better than Steven Flop.

We don't need no octa-cores.
We don't need no glass iPhones.
No crippled pages in the browser.
Jolla leave them droids alone.
Hey, Jolla! Leave iFans alone.
All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all, they just are brainless sheep in the flock.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

The world would be boring without all that...

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Over a yr? I don't think so. Much was shown around mid-November @Slush, & even more new stuff since then.

Again with that.... :rolleyes:

Yeah, it's a huge improvement over N9/50, so ah, point being?

Well maybe or maybe not, if it's done well that'll be the hw area they standout, it was always improbable to happen in more conventional areas.

I actually like this aspect, others don't, but it depends how well it's done, if it's "shite" compared to BBX I'll be a sad panda.

Other points taken though, add them to the other thread please, if they're not already there...

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

well, I wanted to say that it's more or less the same all the time.
And I forgot the pulley menu :D

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Is it verified that it's a 4.5 inch screen in that phone Mc used for demo? Or will they add a real screen later. Don't see why they need such huge phone if rhe are planning to use a small screen llike that. It doesn't add up.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Stuff added today on 2nd post:


New Jolla Handset: Full Demo

Design and many colors of Jolla smartphone!

Finally, a Lumia-like device unbound by Windows Phone

Exclusive: Interview with Head of Software Development Marc Dillon

Announcement of Jolla phone, between professionalism and failure

I like Sailfish and the Jolla (phone) a lot, but … (3)

The Third Half

DNA Jolla Hangout (Finnish)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

just flew over post since my last one...
not going to answer individually, but stumbled across Jolla's FAQ...
and from AllboutN9's collection of Q&As from Jolla's twitter account...
information overkill :eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Whats your point?

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

learn to read, maybe?
thinking wouldn't hurt, but reading would already help...

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

That's ********, all phones can slide today and you don't make it better or easier with a super size frame. I'm not buying it. But you seems to do and I respect that.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I keep thinking about Jolla and 'the other half' and it occurs to me that this is for DPhone and the Chinese market. All the promos about customizing a phone to suit you seem exactly what a mobile phone and accessories store would want to have. Their margins on the accessories are probably greater than their margins on the cellphones. (Look at how all the Hello Kitty merchandise sells at ridiculous prices.)

We know that the demo had a Chinese app store loaded as well as the Jolla store. Imagine being able to buy the Jolla device in the DPhone retail shop and then being able to pick whatever color "other half" you want also. Imagine being able to load custom content at the time of purchase. Imagine being able to get tickets or songs and videos added easily. You could enter the shop and tap your phone against an in-store device and getting "freebies" transferred to your phone...and while you are in the store you can get "up-sell" to buy another "other half" or other accessories while you are there. Brilliant!

The Jolla tribe are not it's customers. We are the end-users but they are not making phones to sell to the end users, they want to sell to DPhone and DNA so they are the ones they make contracts with and they are the ones they try to innovate for. If they can get traction that way and perhaps get a new business revenue models out there they can be successful. If it works well and other manufacturers want to offer Sailfish on their devices with similar customizations then they have reached their goal of spearheading a new ecosystem.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

They already have a maps application on their devices but didn't show it yet...

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

That wasn't a chinese app store. It was a chinese android app. It's called QQ and is something like a chinese icq (over 750million users)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

There is also a navigation app.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Maybe GPodder ? :-)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Agreed, but why only DPhone? Other stores also have greater margins on accessories and slim on the phones themselves afaik. The only problem with this I believe is: which artist is going to go for a deal: how about we put your album on a special cover for a device that is just starting and might fail terribly (radiohead maybe? pirate party band? Stallman band, if it ever becomes a thing is going to boycott their closed UI that's for sure)? Also, do chinese consumers really differ that much from european ones in their needs? Chinese don't like extra battery/uptime? Extra sensors, storage, flash/lenses, IR etc (they might want different HWKB I guess, not a specialist in chinese, not sure if qwerty suits them, but if DPhone would invest in making hwkb cover, burning different chars on top of the buttons seems trivial)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

http://sfietkonstantin.wordpress.com...e-a-lot-but-3/

good read

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

That might be the stock Nemo Mobile maps application, which is very very basic - even more than the cuuren modRana QML interface (which also already runns on Nemo a thus should also run on Sailfish). :-)

BTW, note the icon on the right - looks like a terminal emulator. :-)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I saw FingerTerm running on The Jolla myself Monday :)

thought they didn't let me run any useful command :D

But I don't remember if it was started from that icon, or another one :P

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Boy its been a while, but why dont they just make the hardware and license Harmattan from Nokia?

All Harmattan needed was new hardware.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

@balisingh: Because Harmattan is a dead platform. Its key components are owned by Nokia and not developed anymore.

Sailfish is based on the community developed and open Mer OS. And it's different from Harmattan. Jolla didn't try to clone it, even though they inherited some inspiration from there for sure.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Well, Nemo has two terminal emulators by default - the classic MeeGo terminal and Fingerterm. Could be they also have both. :)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Good point, I guess they can license it but cant develop it further. I was counting on that.
Will it have QT/QML? Duh http://merproject.org/ Does this mean Apps will port easy from N9?
How about good HTML5 support for the lack of apps? duh http://merproject.org/
What kinda of security for protecting your personal information?

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Why would anyone license something that you can't even develop, when you can create your own system?

Sure Sailfish has Qt. Go read about it: https://sailfishos.org/about.html

Regarding security and information protection - we'll see. So far this information is not published.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Harmattan was essentially maemo with a bunch of MeeGo API's bolted on to satisfy the technical requirements to make it MeeGo "compliant" and thus allow Nokia to refer to it as MeeGo.

as a bridging OS, it was still held back by the closed source binary blobs that were present in it's predecessors (along with the MeeGo DE/CE builds) and the non upstream supporting forks of key components.

Even with the massive bugfixing extravaganza that the last PR brought, there are still a lot of issues that weren't fixed.

Mer has worked to resolve a lot of the inherent OS (middleware) issues that Harmattan had.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

like a lot of other stuff. That's exactly what I'm saying. It's always pretty much the same demo, same apps in different order and in hands of different people.
OK, proto device is a step forward but it doesn't mean much for end user. Final device will probably be very similar but MD sad that it could go +- few mm.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Anyone else is mssing a LED for notifications on the Jolla phone? This would really be needed (and don't say Second Half here)...

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I'd prefer LPMS, hopefully combined with something like Billboard.
And when you turn this off, then LED :)

My Proximity Sensor was broken, so LPMS did not work for a week or so, i really missed it. Happy, i just fixed it half an hour ago :)

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

Looks like android applications are just going to have buttons at the bottom. Someone also said they feature realtime multitasking?

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

I'd much prefer AMOLED LPM notifications as per N9 (increases "glanceability" if I were to go all Marko Ahtisaari).

And JollaHQ just retweeted someone asking for LPM - which is mildly promising I guess - they're still sourcing the best screen components aren't they?

I suppose an RGB LED would be a good fallback if they really couldn't source an LPM-capable screen component.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

AMOLED LPM would be brilliant, but RGB LED would pretty much do the same thing and I'd gladly have it.

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

the n950 devices had double tap to wake up and LPM on the sailfish presentation

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

i prefer LPS over led anytime

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

could someone elaborate more on the LPM? I am not too sure what that acronym stands for

Re: #JollaLoveDay - 20th May - device announcement
 

You can see it here and customize it on N9 with this Extension.

...of course i meant LPM (had Low Power Screen in my mind).